New Doctor Strange dvd.

[Hellstormer]

^ Now that I think about it, you're 100% right

 

[Penismightier]

Crap, I had high hopes. Dr. Strange always gets the short end of the stick.

 

[Nathan]

I wonder why people always assume it's wise to change a formular that already works.

 

[The_Mystery]

^Because everyone thinks that their ideas are better than the ones before them

 

[Dread]

I still liked DR. STRANGE. I still feel that while there were some at-times heavy alterations, they had to be taken to get an audience in 2007 to take things seriously. The key points were there. Even some design/color aspects of Mordo's costume are recognizable. In the 21st century with everyone's expectations of magic and so forth tempered by anime and video games, and movies, having people shoot hexbolts with alliteration wasn't going to fly.

FYI, Dr. Donald Blake is visible in the scene where he is paged at the hospital. As Wong walks down the hall, you see a tall blond doc with a walking stick pass by.

THOR would also make good fodder for a DTV. Considering he has a movie due, it may be inevitable. It seems these DTV's have become a sort of "testing the waters" for movie franchises. The fact that the second 2008 DTV announced is HULK SMASH on the heels of the Norton Hulk film clinches it.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I still liked DR. STRANGE. I still feel that while there were some at-times heavy alterations, they had to be taken to get an audience in 2007 to take things seriously. The key points were there. Even some design/color aspects of Mordo's costume are recognizable. In the 21st century with everyone's expectations of magic and so forth tempered by anime and video games, and movies, having people shoot hexbolts with alliteration wasn't going to fly.

Im willing to bet that would have been a whole lot more interesting (and original) than talking cliches from several other fantasy franchises and throwing them all together in one movie.

And how do you know hexbolts and alliteration wouldnt fly? The producers didnt even give that a chance. This was an opportunity to display the subject matter in a new and original presentation, and instead, they just aped the current flavor of the day.

Again; disappointing. I hope whoever's doing the upcoming live action movie has more balls than THESE guys...

 

[Dread]

Im willing to bet that would have been a whole lot more interesting (and original) than talking cliches from several other fantasy franchises and throwing them all together in one movie.

And how do you know hexbolts and alliteration wouldnt fly? The producers didnt even give that a chance. This was an opportunity to display the subject matter in a new and original presentation, and instead, they just aped the current flavor of the day.

Again; disappointing. I hope whoever's doing the upcoming live action movie has more balls than THESE guys...

THESE guys don't have much balls, if AVENGERE REBORN (which resembles a forcefed network edict for a pilot) proves anything. I'll agree that the producers/writers of many of these DTV's aren't nearly as willing to push evenlopes as folks from the DC animation team. I mean, hell, people mock TEEN TITANS for being "kiddie", but Slade was one of the creepiest villains ever to menace children in animation geared for them; he was essentially a superteen stalker.

What you see as "flavor of the day" I see as understandable updates to cater to expectations.

People knock the swordplay, but at the end, Dr. Strange shows he really isn't about it. He conjures one essentially to toy with Mordo with it, very briefly (before turning them to bats, which I loved).

I felt the core of the franchise was kept intact, what was altered were details. They even remembered Strange's dead sister (although why the rename, I dunno; is Donna that bad a name?). It may have seemed simular to JMS' STRANGE treatment, but I felt kept more of the canon bits and was far more entertaining. But maybe that comes from the fact that I do watch some of the things that influenced some of the revisions, like anime (anime has been handling mages like this for the past 20 years).

I mean the film wasn't perfect, I'd never say that, but it's been one of their best efforts. The bar for Marvel Animation has never been nearly as high as DC. TV animation is the one area DC dominates Marvel.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

THESE guys don't have much balls, if AVENGERE REBORN (which resembles a forcefed network edict for a pilot) proves anything. I'll agree that the producers/writers of many of these DTV's aren't nearly as willing to push evenlopes as folks from the DC animation team. I mean, hell, people mock TEEN TITANS for being "kiddie", but Slade was one of the creepiest villains ever to menace children in animation geared for them; he was essentially a superteen stalker.

What you see as "flavor of the day" I see as understandable updates to cater to expectations.

People knock the swordplay, but at the end, Dr. Strange shows he really isn't about it. He conjures one essentially to toy with Mordo with it, very briefly (before turning them to bats, which I loved).

I felt the core of the franchise was kept intact, what was altered were details. They even remembered Strange's dead sister (although why the rename, I dunno; is Donna that bad a name?). It may have seemed simular to JMS' STRANGE treatment, but I felt kept more of the canon bits and was far more entertaining. But maybe that comes from the fact that I do watch some of the things that influenced some of the revisions, like anime (anime has been handling mages like this for the past 20 years).

I mean the film wasn't perfect, I'd never say that, but it's been one of their best efforts. The bar for Marvel Animation has never been nearly as high as DC. TV animation is the one area DC dominates Marvel.

Agreed, Slade was an Effing Bad@$$ in those episodes....Voice was kickarse too...

 

[deathshead2]

Slade was the only reason I watch TT.

 

[ssj wolverine]

I enjoyed it. Predictably sappy in the beginning when Stephen lost everything but it picked up in the end. Much better than UA 2 and IronMan. Now if they can just do Thor. It would blow all of them out of the water.

 

[Spider-Bat]

Disappointing.

I was hoping for a good adaption of the Lee/Ditko era...instead, we got an animated version of the Staczynski comic mini series from a few years back.

No where here will you find the classic renditions of the characters. Strange's costume has been completely "revamped "...Wong is a totally different character, Baron Mordo is now an overly muscled warrior, and Dormmamu is a gigantic flaming head througout the movie, never assuming his more human characteristics even once...

Instead of living in solitude, the Ancient One is now the headmaster for an apparent school of aspiring magicians... (hmmm, i wonder where they stole THAT from )...even worse; Strange's Sanctum is merely an offshoot for the school and it's students, a "clubhouse" if you will...

But worst of all; not once does Strange utter any of his famous incantations during battle...the ones made famous by Stan Lee. In fact, most of the battles are pretty much fought with mystical "light sabers"...

Even the score sounds like a poor man's Harry Potter theme.

Save your money, folks.

Ah man that sucks, glad I didn't buy it yet. Can people stop trying to do something different with these characters and just respect the classics and tradition, sure you don't wanna do the same thing over and over but Strange and alot of others haven't been really brought to life yet or given their own movie, and then when they do you wanna' see the character you love and grew up with and instead you get crap, sometimes so far away from what it is, it isn't that anymore.

Respect these characters and who and what they are, you buy these or go to the movies to see these characters and even hear their catch phrases and all and then you're waiting, and it never happens and, you're like, what the hell was that?, that's not my hero, it's some knock ioff changed for no reason.

 

[3dman27]

I didn't like how Tony Stark and Strange look like twin brothers, but I did enjoy it more than Iron Man, however it was not better than the U.A 1 and 2.

i noticed that as welldid anyone think the scenes of martial arts traing would've been good in an IRON FIST animated movie?

 

[Sugarculted]

Watched around twenty minutes of this, and realised Wong isn't bald.
I can kinda already tell it won't be that good

 

[Spider-Bat]

Just saw Strange, another meh movie from Marvel.

Can they stop changing things and just make it as it is in the books and why it's loved, and been loved for all these years.

I'm so tired of hearing those idiots say, we wanted to do something different.

No, stop that, I'm tired of watching these things to see my faves and instead it's not even them.

Then they say they wanted to make it look like other artists that have dobne Strange, but it just looks like all their other movies.

Then they have the animatics from the Marvel games and they look better than anything done in the movies, like Galactus, man, if he looked like that in FF 2 it would have been great.

Someone who actually cares and respects these characters better start making these films live or cartoon. The spider-man movies have been the only ones I can watch and know I'm watching Spider-man.

 

[Hellstormer]

The next film looks even worse. Hopefully the Hulk film will be good.

 

[Spider–Man]

I still liked DR. STRANGE. I still feel that while there were some at-times heavy alterations, they had to be taken to get an audience in 2007 to take things seriously. The key points were there. Even some design/color aspects of Mordo's costume are recognizable. In the 21st century with everyone's expectations of magic and so forth tempered by anime and video games, and movies, having people shoot hexbolts with alliteration wasn't going to fly.

FYI, Dr. Donald Blake is visible in the scene where he is paged at the hospital. As Wong walks down the hall, you see a tall blond doc with a walking stick pass by.

THOR would also make good fodder for a DTV. Considering he has a movie due, it may be inevitable. It seems these DTV's have become a sort of "testing the waters" for movie franchises. The fact that the second 2008 DTV announced is HULK SMASH on the heels of the Norton Hulk film clinches it.

Have you SEEN a HArry Potter film?!!

 

[Dread]

Have you SEEN a HArry Potter film?!!

No. HARRY POTTER is for children, and I stand by that. Grown Ups who enjoy it have to at least admit they are enjoying something made for children, a few steps removed from The Hardy Boys. Nothing wrong with that. I have never been at all interested in HARRY POTTER.

People have a defined stereotype of what magic is. Waving a wand, spouting gibberish and stuff happens. DOCTOR STRANGE avoided that cliche and did in a way that wasn't too terrible in my eyes, so it worked. I mean the Asian influences on Strange were always there, the philosophy and the martial arts, so they extended on that. Perhaps it helped that at the end, Dr. Strange himself was not a swordfighter like Mordo, he relied more on the spellcasting; forcefields, turning the blades into bats, summoning rainstorms, etc. The DTV's creators had the task of updating the mythos for today's audience. Now I am sure some people ask, "These DTV's are made for the fans, something the producers readily admit in every featurette, so why are they courting mainstreamers who don't appreciate the comics so much?" And, honestly, that is a very good question. But the truth of the matter is Marvel always does that. They always seek to have one foot into making a translation in another medium "more mainstream" even though one could make a good point that the majority of people who buy the DTV's are fans, and the mainstreamers perhaps only watch it when CN airs it once or twice, perhaps confused as to why NARUTO has been pre-empted.

I still like this film, I think while many details were changed they got the heart of the character right. I mean, really, people getting turned off because Wong had hair? The fact that you had two bald Asian men doesn't seem repetitious? That reminds me of stuff people said about Hugh Jackman in 2000; he's too tall, he's too Aussie, and then all of a sudden everyone shut up when he did the role well. You have to realize that every comic that switches to another medium is being altered. Some may go, well, DC is far more faithful to their comics than Marvel is with DTV's, and they have less realistic characters. True. But, DC has been pwning Marvel in small screen animation for the past 15 years and despite all the advances the Marvel/LG crew get, I expect that to continue with SUPERMAN DOOMSDAY in a few weeks (and then later, JLA: NEW FRONTIER, which just looks spectacular).

The fact that any goodwill earned from DOCTOR STRANGE is being wasted on AVENGERS BABIES is not a good sign.

I still like the DTV though. But that may be because it catered to some of my tastes in animation in general.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

No. HARRY POTTER is for children, and I stand by that. Grown Ups who enjoy it have to at least admit they are enjoying something made for children, a few steps removed from The Hardy Boys. Nothing wrong with that. I have never been at all interested in HARRY POTTER.

People have a defined stereotype of what magic is. Waving a wand, spouting gibberish and stuff happens. DOCTOR STRANGE avoided that cliche and did in a way that wasn't too terrible in my eyes, so it worked. I mean the Asian influences on Strange were always there, the philosophy and the martial arts, so they extended on that. Perhaps it helped that at the end, Dr. Strange himself was not a swordfighter like Mordo, he relied more on the spellcasting; forcefields, turning the blades into bats, summoning rainstorms, etc. The DTV's creators had the task of updating the mythos for today's audience. Now I am sure some people ask, "These DTV's are made for the fans, something the producers readily admit in every featurette, so why are they courting mainstreamers who don't appreciate the comics so much?" And, honestly, that is a very good question. But the truth of the matter is Marvel always does that. They always seek to have one foot into making a translation in another medium "more mainstream" even though one could make a good point that the majority of people who buy the DTV's are fans, and the mainstreamers perhaps only watch it when CN airs it once or twice, perhaps confused as to why NARUTO has been pre-empted.

I still like this film, I think while many details were changed they got the heart of the character right. I mean, really, people getting turned off because Wong had hair? The fact that you had two bald Asian men doesn't seem repetitious? That reminds me of stuff people said about Hugh Jackman in 2000; he's too tall, he's too Aussie, and then all of a sudden everyone shut up when he did the role well. You have to realize that every comic that switches to another medium is being altered. Some may go, well, DC is far more faithful to their comics than Marvel is with DTV's, and they have less realistic characters. True. But, DC has been pwning Marvel in small screen animation for the past 15 years and despite all the advances the Marvel/LG crew get, I expect that to continue with SUPERMAN DOOMSDAY in a few weeks (and then later, JLA: NEW FRONTIER, which just looks spectacular).

The fact that any goodwill earned from DOCTOR STRANGE is being wasted on AVENGERS BABIES is not a good sign.

I still like the DTV though. But that may be because it catered to some of my tastes in animation in general.

You're going by the assumption that the material somehow NEEDS to be "updated for todays audience", and sorry, but i dont subscribe to that train of thought one bit. Look at FF2. Fox "updated" Galactus and that movie is a complete failure.

And no; Wong having hair wasnt a turn off for me. Wong being a completely different character than he is in the source material for no other reason than the producers felt like it did..

I have no idea what this movie was trying to be. But it sure as hell wasnt Dr. Strange.

 

[Dread]

You're going by the assumption that the material somehow NEEDS to be "updated for todays audience", and sorry, but i dont subscribe to that train of thought one bit. Look at FF2. Fox "updated" Galactus and that movie is a complete failure.

And no; Wong having hair wasnt a turn off for me. Wong being a completely different character than he is in the source material for no other reason than the producers felt like it did..

I have no idea what this movie was trying to be. But it sure as hell wasnt Dr. Strange.

Don't use one lack of imagination that was FF2's Galactus as a basis that all re-imaginations are wrong on principle. That's simular to people who claim fan who dislike certain changes "hate change". No, fans hate BAD change. Of course, it is subjective. I hated Hedorah the Smog Monster posing as Galactus.

Admittedly, Wong was more of a mentor to Strange than a servant. I'll admit that. It was obvious. You also have to keep in mind that the 60's weren't known for, erm, ethnic equality. I suspect a good reason why a lot of the expendable mages got so much airtime was so it wouldn't seem like the Great Caucasian Man was out to save the Helpless Tibetan heroes, even though he essentially fills that role anyway. Back in the 60's no one thought like that but now we have the PC Police who may have objected had Wong served his manservant/bodyguard role. In this DTV he was somewhat simular to Alfred in Batman, someone who serves as a mentor and an ally at times.

I'm just not convinced that a straight translation was feasible. In interviews on Toonzone's Marvel sites, Frank Paur claims that a lot of the Ditko stuff didn't translate as well into animation as it looked on the comic panel, and he didn't want to translate Ditko just to have it look worse. He also felt Dr. Strange's costume needed an update, especially the puffy shirt. As for the cloak, well, various artists have drawn it as some sleeved robe/cloak before, including Romita Jr. in ASM. No one complained then.

As a rational fan I have learned that whenever a character is translated to another medium, they are always reimagined. If you want to say that DC's far more ballsier with being faithful with translations than Marvel in animation, I'd agree. LEGION OF SUPER HEROES in a way was more directly accurate than DOCTOR STRANGE. And I am sure the DC DTV's will blow Marvel's out of the water. It's the one area DC has been dominant in and I expect that to continue. Even the best cartoons Marvel did in the 90's are aging rather badly.

If you want a more faithful animated Dr. Strange, John Vernon voiced the character when he guest starred in the 90's SPIDER-MAN, Season 3 premire I believe it was, titled "Doctor Strange", circa 1996. By then, SPIDER-MAN's animation quality was pretty poor, although it would get worse by Seasons 4 and 5. The origin was fairly accurate, they kept the Ditko designs for Mordo and Dormammu, and Dr. Strange was spouting out all manner of incantations. Honestly...it wasn't bad. As a kid (of 14) I thought it made Strange look pretty cool. In a way Mordo's design was hinted at in the DTV, some of the colors and chest designs were kept to his reworked costume.

Maybe it helped that JMS' attempt to rework the franchise in STRANGE was fresh in my memory and about a hundred times worse than this. I also saw it in the context of the Marvel/LG DTV's, and among them it's one of the best of the 4. I still say they got the heart of the character right, as a doctor who hits rock bottom before finding his calling in Tibet and his destiny as a mage. It even dealt with serious topics like suicide. Dr. Strange mumbled some incantation when he made his forcefield, I believe.

I'm not convinced that in 2007, a Dr. Strange with a poofy shirt and elbow gloves screaming " BY THE HOREY HOSTS OF HOGGARTH!" is going to not sound at least a little bit silly. I mean, try screaming AVENGERS ASSEMBLE out loud (or even TITANS TOGETHER; the recent cartoon realized that by shortening it to "TITANS, GO!", which worked out better). It sounds silly. Some things work better on the printed page, unfortunately, even if us fans are rather forgiving if things are accurate.

I just don't see this film as being anywhere near as disappointing as INVINCIBLE IRON MAN was, or as bad as AVENGERS REBORN may be. If you want to say the production team isn't nearly up to the snuff of Timm/Dini, well, no arguement. Marvel's never managed to get the sort of animation staff that DC/WB do.

 

[C. Lee]

Admittedly, Wong was more of a mentor to Strange than a servant. I'll admit that. It was obvious. You also have to keep in mind that the 60's weren't known for, erm, ethnic equality. I suspect a good reason why a lot of the expendable mages got so much airtime was so it wouldn't seem like the Great Caucasian Man was out to save the Helpless Tibetan heroes, even though he essentially fills that role anyway. Back in the 60's no one thought like that but now we have the PC Police who may have objected had Wong served his manservant/bodyguard role. In this DTV he was somewhat simular to Alfred in Batman, someone who serves as a mentor and an ally at times.

I agree....many of the things done originaly in the 60's just can't be done today. Even in the live action TV movie in the 70's, they updated Wong to be more of an Alfred type character than some kowtowing slave.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I agree....many of the things done originaly in the 60's just can't be done today. Even in the live action TV movie in the 70's, they updated Wong to be more of an Alfred type character than some kowtowing slave.

Can you give an example of Wong portrayed as a "kowtowing slave" from the comics?

 

[3dman27]

i think they mean the way wong was dressed in the early stories

 

[Spider–Man]

I agree....many of the things done originaly in the 60's just can't be done today. Even in the live action TV movie in the 70's, they updated Wong to be more of an Alfred type character than some kowtowing slave.

And we all remember what a great movie THAT was! Stick with what made the original great!

 

[Spider–Man]

No. HARRY POTTER is for children, and I stand by that. Grown Ups who enjoy it have to at least admit they are enjoying something made for children, a few steps removed from The Hardy Boys. Nothing wrong with that. I have never been at all interested in HARRY POTTER.

Ok, you've never seen Harry Potter but you KNOW that it is for children. As someone who HAS seen the Harry Potter films, I can tell you that everything after the 2nd film (Chris Cloumbus directed the first 2 so what do you expect?) has become progressively darker and they are certainly no more for children than Spider-man. I don't know what you based your assumptions about the Potter films on but they are completely wrong.

But just to prevent a senseless back-and-forth, let me use another example to rebut your belief that "having people shoot hexbolts with alliteration wasn't going to fly". Check out The Fellowship of the Ring where Gandalf faces the Balrog and tell me alliteration doesn't work when fighting with magic. Or do you think this movie is for children as well?

 

[Artistsean]

how does the animation quality compare?
Is it like Ultimate Avengers, or Iron Man, or all its own?
How would you rate the animation?
Is it stiff, mostly CG painted to look traditional, is it loose and solid?