New Joss Whedon Buffy Spin-Off confirmed!

[Harlekin]

Definitely.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think I'm actually gonna watch that episode again tonight. Maybe all the other death-of-major-cast-members episodes, too.

 

[DocHoliday]

Yeah it's Doyle for me. Even when Cordy shows him that video again in Season 5 it still packs the same punch. Never have I seen a character be so important to a series with so few episodes he was in.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Actually, thinking about the other episodes where major cast members die, I think "A Hole in the World"/"Shells" might take the cake for most touching death. Fred's death was horribly harrowing for a lot of reasons--she'd finally gotten together with Wesley and was really happy, Angel and Spike could've prevented it but needed to sacrifice her for the greater good, Wesley had to basically sit and watch Fred die, powerless to help her, etc. Just a horrible ordeal for all involved.

 

[DocHoliday]

Actually, thinking about the other episodes where major cast members die, I think "A Hole in the World"/"Shells" might take the cake for most touching death. Fred's death was horribly harrowing for a lot of reasons--she'd finally gotten together with Wesley and was really happy, Angel and Spike could've prevented it but needed to sacrifice her for the greater good, Wesley had to basically sit and watch Fred die, powerless to help her, etc. Just a horrible ordeal for all involved.

Yeah that one was tough to watch...but it gave birth ot Illyria!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Which is another reason why Fred's death was so awful (for the characters, I mean): Doyle's death was saddening, but it was over in--literally--a flash and all Angel and Cordy had was the memory of him to haunt them. Fred's death was itself a long, drawn out process, which is more tragic than just the shock of losing someone instantly, and the Angel crew (especially Wes) had to immediately deal with the fact that this inhuman thing was now going to be essentially wearing Fred's body for the foreseeable future. A physical, tangible haunting that would stay with them forever.

 

[Abaddon]

Fred had the most heart-wrenching death. Jenny's death was also pretty tragic as she was trying to make amends and never got to let Giles tap it.

Anya had the worst death. Even Johnathan had a better goodbye then her.

Buffy started strong, but ended up covering old ground over and over again with the occaisional pleasant novelty or unusual element, for example the musical episode etc. It burned itse;f out too much, and the least interesting character was Buffy. She was dull and pathetic.

what the hell? You may not like her, but Buffy has more depth than any of her characters. Personally, I think it was sort of tragic to watch the weight of responsibility take it's toll on her, even to the point where she felt like she was losing her humanity.

I think the second season of Angel was vastly superior to the first. The third and the first are about even. The fourth was mostly good with more bad elements than usual. The fifth was easily the best of the series.

I agree. Actually, I think most of the first season sucked.

I liked Cordy as the uber-*****. Having the visions was a good way to make her less completely self-absorbed, but I think they went way overboard with it. She was practically a saint by season 3 and wasn't nearly sassy enough anymore.

They turned her into a friggin Mother Theresa, shooting balls of light and ****.

I guess that's why they made her evil in season 4.

 

[Speedball]

God....I hated it when Fred died.
HATED it!
Out of all the people who deserved it in that show, she was the only person who didn't.
It just felt so un-needed to me.

 

[Ghostvirus]

God....I hated it when Fred died.
HATED it!
Out of all the people who deserved it in that show, she was the only person who didn't.
It just felt so un-needed to me.

No to mention the fact that her soul was destroyed as well, so there was absolutely no happy ending for her.

 

[LexCorp]

God....I hated it when Fred died.
HATED it!
Out of all the people who deserved it in that show, she was the only person who didn't.
It just felt so un-needed to me.

Which is another reason why Fred's death was so awful (for the characters, I mean): Doyle's death was saddening, but it was over in--literally--a flash and all Angel and Cordy had was the memory of him to haunt them. Fred's death was itself a long, drawn out process, which is more tragic than just the shock of losing someone instantly, and the Angel crew (especially Wes) had to immediately deal with the fact that this inhuman thing was now going to be essentially wearing Fred's body for the foreseeable future. A physical, tangible haunting that would stay with them forever.

Total shock. Right when Wes gets the girl to he has to loose her at the same time.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

God....I hated it when Fred died.
HATED it!
Out of all the people who deserved it in that show, she was the only person who didn't.
It just felt so un-needed to me.

I suspect that's why Whedon did it. Season 5 was all about losing your way on the path to redemption, and Fred is the only one of the main characters who was relatively clean and incorruptible. If she hadn't died, she could've helped the others recognize and fight Wolfram & Hart's influence sooner; instead, her death served as a breaking point where several of the characters became even more lost. Tragic, really.

 

[LexCorp]

I suspect that's why Whedon did it. Season 5 was all about losing your way on the path to redemption, and Fred is the only one of the main characters who was relatively clean and incorruptible. If she hadn't died, she could've helped the others recognize and fight Wolfram & Hart's influence sooner; instead, her death served as a breaking point where several of the characters became even more lost. Tragic, really.

Such as Lorne...Freds death led to a breaking point for him to. He simply walks away from all the pain. It was very sad that this character left his world in which he was depressed, found happyness then was left sad...

Spoiler

Joss kills when you least expect it...Wash (Firefly)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but that's starting to annoy me a little bit. It's getting to the point where every time Whedon creates a really endearing or interesting character, you know he's going to kill them off for the shock of it.

 

[LexCorp]

Yeah, but that's starting to annoy me a little bit. It's getting to the point where every time Whedon creates a really endearing or interesting character, you know he's going to kill them off for the shock of it.

I agree he does that a lot...but he also has a way of bringing the chartacters back which I also dislike as I think a dead character should stay dead otherwise it looses value.

I think his deaths at first were great...but it seems to be done for shock value.

 

[DocHoliday]

Anya's death was anticlimactic at best. I do not understand why. Wesley got a good ending in a final battle why not Anya? Not that I dislike Wesley, I think he is my favorite overall character.

 

[Harlekin]

Anya's death was direct, tactless and to the point. Just like Anya herself.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The difference is that Anya herself wasn't also LAME.

 

[The Englishman]

Lets talk about the new Giles show!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Awesome, let's!

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Any news on the new Giles show?

 

[Abaddon]

Anya's death was direct, tactless and to the point. Just like Anya herself.

The difference is that Anya herself wasn't also LAME.

And Xander makes one brief mention then goes off to joke about how they're no more malls.

 

[LexCorp]

Anya's death was direct, tactless and to the point. Just like Anya herself.

Indeed, plus she suck the most. lol

Awesome, let's!

...

Any news on the new Giles show?

Yes will Ethane make a return to the story? Giles and the watcher training. It may be like him at Harry Potter school. lol

 

[Harlekin]

And Xander makes one brief mention then goes off to joke about how they're no more malls.

Eh, he was in denial, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Ghostvirus]

Indeed, plus she suck the most. lol



Yes will Ethane make a return to the story? Giles and the watcher training. It may be like him at Harry Potter school. lol

For the last time. It isn't a prequel series.

 

[NateGray]

Just not seeing this show succeed.
Its based off one episode out of 7 seasons of Buffy just think about a spin off shows for a second and tell me if any based off so little made it???

I can think of only one and even it showed in two episodes that made a series and that was mork from ork and yeh this ain't no Robin Williams

 

[The Question]

Just not seeing this show succeed.
Its based off one episode out of 7 seasons of Buffy just think about a spin off shows for a second and tell me if any based off so little made it???

I can think of only one and even it showed in two episodes that made a series and that was mork from ork and yeh this ain't no Robin Williams

You seem to under estimate the awesomeness of Giles.