New Live Action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Movie In The Works? - Part 1

[Avi-?]

I disagree because I think most people don't give a crap. Espeically when you're dealing with robots. SO you could have made them 'blocky' if they wanted to, with some enhancements to make them more believable.

Most people don't give a crap, i agree, but for me, these designs are BETTER than the cartoon, and as a fan, I'm glad to see the re-invention.

I'll also be glad to see a new take on the TMNT look, be it realist or otherwise.

it's possible I'll hate the design and you all wil love it too.

As for the fan art in these forums, I like what i like and you like what you like.

it's easier to crit some one elses art than to pull it off yourself, or post pics of cartoons.

Feel free to go ahead and buy a photoshop, Maya, and make what ever you desire. That guy did it and I liked it.
If you have better ideas, show us.

 

[louiebling$]

Now this Is near Perfection:

 

[Avi-?]

Now this Is near Perfection:

perfectly ****, yes.

looks like they have a touch of the downs.

I don't get the muscles on the shell. Turtle shells are as hard as bone - they don't flex, and wouldn't flex.

it dosen't matter in the end, because that design won't be in the movie, so I don't know why we are arguing.

The movie is going to look like the design I've posted, and it will be awesome.

 

[louiebling$]

perfectly ****, yes.

looks like they have a touch of the downs.

I don't get the muscles on the shell. Turtle shells are as hard as bone - they don't flex, and wouldn't flex.

it dosen't matter in the end, because that design won't be in the movie, so I don't know why we are arguing.

The movie is going to look like the design I've posted, and it will be awesome.

OMG hahaha ok you just lost this debate.....are you serious???

 

[venom892]

Anyone seen the new teaser?It's on the SHH front page.Seems they put blades on both Mikey and Don's weapons.

 

[louiebling$]

Anyone seen the new teaser?It's on the SHH front page.Seems they put blades on both Mikey and Don's weapons.

Whattt??? Teaser Already

 

[Marvel Spider]

Whattt??? Teaser Already

It's for the show, not movie.

 

[louiebling$]

It's for the show, not movie.

Yea I know I just think its early for a show not premiering till late 2012

 

[Jager X]

Im not really digging the design of the new show. I think it also cheapens Don and Mikey's weapons when blades are added to them.

As for the designs that were posted in this and the last page, here are my thoughts: If I were to choose one design for the turtles, it would be the designs from the Dawn of the Ninja comic series. It offers a much grittier and diverse look to the characters, and anatomical reasoning to why they harness the weapons that they do. For example, it make sense that Raphael is the bulkiest, as he is the only one with a short range weapon. His size aids in applying deadly trauma in close combat. Donny, on the other hand, uses a bo staff that acts as an extension to his much longer, slimmer body. The scars are a nice touch too. What makes these designs work as well is that they don't shy away from the improbable nature of the turtle's appearance, but instead enhance what was created by Eastman and Laird.

Now, looking at the manips posted I have to say that they look awful imo. On an aesthetic level, the design posted by Avi is not even remotely marketable. It is a horrendous approach to purely fantastical characters that reeks of bad attempt as realism. I see the turtles being able to do the things that they do simply because their bodies were mutated to match the anatomy of a human. I just don't see that thing being able to subdue a gang of hardened ninjas, let alone the beast that is Shredder.

As for the samurai turtles, I think that it is too much also. I can get behind the turtles wearing samurai armor but those designs are not pleasing to the eye at all. The webbed fingers, beaks, and scaly skin, and awkward bone structure is just distracting. One talks about adding realism to the turtles, but I have never seen a turtle with legs that bend like that. It works for werewolves and vampires because it is accurate to their anatomy, but for turtles it would make sense that they are structured the way we are used to.

Those are my brief thoughts on the designs so far.

 

[DaveMoral]

This thread is the #1 argument for why "realism" sucks the life out of the comic book characters. Seriously.

Who in their right minds would try to turn iconic characters like the TMNT into bipedal giant anatomically correct turtles and put them in a movie marketed to an audience that remembers fondly the TMNT from the 80s comics, the late 80s/early 90s cartoon and their children who remember fondly the TMNT from the '03-'07 cartoons? To quote a slimy Neimoidian from TPM "are you brain dead?"

The only thing that could potentially do well with a core audience would be to cleave tightly to the source material and make the turtles like their Mirage forebearers. All the realism you need in TMNT is authentic martial arts and ninja action. Which generally means killing and actual use of bladed weapons as they are to be used. We know that Nickolodeon is not going to do that with this property, and so they will likely strike some kind of balance between the kid-friendly and the mature TMNT. In their new show and in any movie they will go to. The movie would likely tilt a bit more to the mature. Never the less, they will never do a radical redesign of the TMNT to make them look more like actual turtles anatomically because that would turn everyone but the two goofballs in this thread that think it's a good idea against them. The movie would be an epic fail. Just like the studios and director mucking about with Avatar The Last Airbender turned the live action attempt into a critical flop.

 

[Avi-?]

It's true...the movie should be exactly like the cartoon, which would appease all of you.
All I've been saying is that it won't. My argument is very simple - Hollywood does not care that you want the same film as 1990, only "updated". That defeats the entire point of making a new film. If the movie is the same, then the toys are the same, all the merch is the same. If you, the fans already have the toys, you won't really buy anymore of them.
Again I site the Transformers franchise. With all the complaining and whinning and *****ing that the fans did, somehow it's the 11th highest grossing domestic movie of all time - and the fans hated it! The toy sales the video game sales were all massive!
You fans love to complain, love to argue and hate anything that challenges your idea of what a property is.
But again i say it doesn't matter, because they will never listen to you, because you just don't have the buying power to support your wants.
That is why I'm saying that it will look like what I've posted.

UNLESS - they get that dude who sis Alvin and the chipmunks....then you might just get the kind of cutesy movie you want, cartoons and all.

 

[louiebling$]

It's true...the movie should be exactly like the cartoon, which would appease all of you.
All I've been saying is that it won't. My argument is very simple - Hollywood does not care that you want the same film as 1990, only "updated". That defeats the entire point of making a new film. If the movie is the same, then the toys are the same, all the merch is the same. If you, the fans already have the toys, you won't really buy anymore of them.
Again I site the Transformers franchise. With all the complaining and whinning and *****ing that the fans did, somehow it's the 11th highest grossing domestic movie of all time - and the fans hated it! The toy sales the video game sales were all massive!
You fans love to complain, love to argue and hate anything that challenges your idea of what a property is.
But again i say it doesn't matter, because they will never listen to you, because you just don't have the buying power to support your wants.
That is why I'm saying that it will look like what I've posted.

UNLESS - they get that dude who sis Alvin and the chipmunks....then you might just get the kind of cutesy movie you want, cartoons and all.

*looks at BATMAN BEGINS,THE DARK KNIGHT,IRON MAN,WATCHMEN*
Yea they really dont care about us fans

 

[DaveMoral]

It's true...the movie should be exactly like the cartoon, which would appease all of you.
All I've been saying is that it won't. My argument is very simple - Hollywood does not care that you want the same film as 1990, only "updated". That defeats the entire point of making a new film. If the movie is the same, then the toys are the same, all the merch is the same. If you, the fans already have the toys, you won't really buy anymore of them.
Again I site the Transformers franchise. With all the complaining and whinning and *****ing that the fans did, somehow it's the 11th highest grossing domestic movie of all time - and the fans hated it! The toy sales the video game sales were all massive!
You fans love to complain, love to argue and hate anything that challenges your idea of what a property is.
But again i say it doesn't matter, because they will never listen to you, because you just don't have the buying power to support your wants.
That is why I'm saying that it will look like what I've posted.

UNLESS - they get that dude who sis Alvin and the chipmunks....then you might just get the kind of cutesy movie you want, cartoons and all.

Reading comprehension fail!

I can't honestly stand the 80s cartoon anymore, and it was my first exposure to TMNT. Mirage Comics is the way to go IMO, but it won't happen. Fortunately the trend since 2003, and arguably since the first TMNT film, has been to make a hybrid of the Mirage version and the sillier cartoon version with a heavier emphasis on Mirage. Any new movie should be that, and what it shouldn't be is a "realistic" turtle design. First of all, for most people the idea of a more anatomically correct turtle just getting big and being able to martial arts is a massive stretch. No one is going to buy that. What sells the TMNT is the fact that they are such a fantasy and more human than turtle. Secondly, have you ever seen the original design of a ninja turtle from Kevin Eastman(pretty sure it was his pot high doodle, but it could have been Peter Laird)? It was rightly rejected. And it looked basicaly like a turtle standing on it's hind legs. What you get in Eastman & Laird's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles vol 1 issue 1 is perfect. Complete with the blood, violence, swearing and all red masks. And Shredder's demise via grenade!

Also, if you think a movie will look like what you posted you don't have a functioning brain cell. That is truly the single dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say.

 

[Jager X]

You totally took the werewolf/vampire analogy and ran with it. I don't care about the mythos of vampires and werewolves, nor was that the argument that was being made. What I was saying is that particular structure of legs WORKS for werewolves and vampires. That being because both animals are built like that.

 

[Avi-?]

*looks at BATMAN BEGINS,THE DARK KNIGHT,IRON MAN,WATCHMEN*
Yea they really dont care about us fans

Remind me again how well Watchmen did? Right -barely broke even
cot 130mil made 107 mil domestic 185mil WORLDWIDE!
AND there was no giant squid. And the Fans complained even with all the detail payed to the source material.

TDK? Yep looks just like the comics! The grey blue suit, the giant penny, the half and half two face suit...

Idiot. TDK proves my point. The world loved it for the REALISM. It was believable. Nolan has said over and over again, he wanted to make it real.

And the same with Ironman. Adi Granov made the design work.
Giant rubber puppets, Mirage version or otherwise, WILL NOT HAPPEN.

 

[louiebling$]

Remind me again how well Watchmen did? Right -barely broke even
cot 130mil made 107 mil domestic 185mil WORLDWIDE!
AND there was no giant squid. And the Fans complained even with all the detail payed to the source material.

TDK? Yep looks just like the comics! The grey blue suit, the giant penny, the half and half two face suit...

Idiot. TDK proves my point. The world loved it for the REALISM. It was believable. Nolan has said over and over again, he wanted to make it real.

And the same with Ironman. Adi Granov made the design work.
Giant rubber puppets, Mirage version or otherwise, WILL NOT HAPPEN.

1st off Watchmen is one of most accurate CBM Movies out there regardless of the changes
2nd TDK was that Gritty Serious Film Fans Have been waiting for for a very long time
3rd what the hell does Granov have to do with anything :huh

Idiot? There is no reason to take personal Insults here buddy

 

[Avi-?]

Maybe you're not getting what I'm putting down for you, so i'll go a little slower.
1 - Again, Watchmen wasn't profitable. No make money, No make more movie.
2 - Semantics - you just said what I said. So you are agreeing with me. Thank you.
3 Granov did the DESIGN for IM 1 & 2. He was a huge part of the production. I know this because I know Adi. Bobby did his job, and killed it on set. Maybe you can guess how I know that...

I call them like i see them. From what I've read of your posts, I've paid you a compliment. Say thank you Luis.

 

[Jager X]

Remind me again how well Watchmen did? Right -barely broke even
cot 130mil made 107 mil domestic 185mil WORLDWIDE!
AND there was no giant squid. And the Fans complained even with all the detail payed to the source material.

TDK? Yep looks just like the comics! The grey blue suit, the giant penny, the half and half two face suit...

Idiot. TDK proves my point. The world loved it for the REALISM. It was believable. Nolan has said over and over again, he wanted to make it real.

And the same with Ironman. Adi Granov made the design work.
Giant rubber puppets, Mirage version or otherwise, WILL NOT HAPPEN.

TDK was loved because it offered an entirely different perspective into the world of Batman. It solidified the character as one without camp. It also played out like a crime drama, something that none of the movie's prior did. You see, it was not realism that made TDK a smash as there was hardly any realism in it. The film was about as close to the serious nature of BTAS as we had yet to get.

I, personally, prefer Batman 89 to TDK. Why? Simply because there was more creativity and imagination. Both of which made the film highly replayable to me. Nolan's film, while extremely well made and entertaining, did not leave me wanting more.

As for Iron Man, I see no reason to mention him. The character is a machine, a design that one would have had to go out of their way to screw up. Also, he was given the same treatment as every single comic book character ever put on the big screen. If anything, Iron Man shows that one can be extremely faithful to the comic-counterpart and it will work.

Now with that crap out of the way, here is the bigger issue of "real" ninja turtles. Not only are they grossly inaccurate to the comics but they are no longer identifiable as the ninja turtles. We are not talking about small changes in features like Johnny Storm's hair being brown. Nor, are we talking about drastic improvements to the comic designs such as Eric Draven or Blade. If the turtles in that work you posted was used for a live action film, I am pretty sure people will think that they were tricked into watching Gremlins 3.

If, and when, we get a new TMNT film I do expect them to look and feel different than in the 90's film. Hell, making them all 4-5' tall is a massive change. But whatever is decided, I should still be able to recognize them.

 

[DaveMoral]

Remind me again how well Watchmen did? Right -barely broke even
cot 130mil made 107 mil domestic 185mil WORLDWIDE!
AND there was no giant squid. And the Fans complained even with all the detail payed to the source material.

TDK? Yep looks just like the comics! The grey blue suit, the giant penny, the half and half two face suit...

Idiot. TDK proves my point. The world loved it for the REALISM. It was believable. Nolan has said over and over again, he wanted to make it real.

And the same with Ironman. Adi Granov made the design work.
Giant rubber puppets, Mirage version or otherwise, WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Like I said bro, your idea that it will somehow be a giant anatomically correct turtle is delusional. No one here is arguing that it's going to be a giant rubber costume in anyway, what we are saying is that there will be no significant departure from how the TMNT have always looked. In other words, about the only thing that will look turtle like on the TMNT in a new live action incarnation will be their shells.

Furthermore, the only rumor I've heard thus far about how this thing would be realized is with actors in some kind of TMNT body suit but with CGI to replace the heads. They could do the whole thing with motion capture and make totally CGI turtles as well, I'm sure. But one thing they won't do is turn them into bipedal anatomically correct turtles. Why? They would no longer be the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That's why.

Stop being an ass because no one likes your idea.

 

[louiebling$]

Like I said bro, your idea that it will somehow be a giant anatomically correct turtle is delusional. No one here is arguing that it's going to be a giant rubber costume in anyway, what we are saying is that there will be no significant departure from how the TMNT have always looked. In other words, about the only thing that will look turtle like on the TMNT in a new live action incarnation will be their shells.

Furthermore, the only rumor I've heard thus far about how this thing would be realized is with actors in some kind of TMNT body suit but with CGI to replace the heads. They could do the whole thing with motion capture and make totally CGI turtles as well, I'm sure. But one thing they won't do is turn them into bipedal anatomically correct turtles. Why? They would no longer be the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That's why.

Stop being an ass because no one likes your idea.

Preach on Brotha preach on

 

[Timstuff]

The Ninja Turtles are more human than turtle, and have been since the 80s. I don't really see what the appeal is in making them look like "real" turtles that are large and bipedal. People are not going to connect with them if they don't look at least somewhat humanoid, which is why that's how they've been drawn ever since they became popular. How cartoony they should look is certainly up for debate, but I don't think they should look like "real" turtles, because "real" turtles that are as tall as humans would look creepy. Especially worth noting is that the turtles need to have actual mouths, not beaks.

Also, I'd like to reiterate how much I love Stjepan Sejic's designs. They look like something that would translate very well into live action, and I like that each of the turtles has a fairly distinct look without straying far from the original character designs. In the Fight the Foot fan movie, the Raph costume they used was actually based on Sejic's design which brought a smile to my face. It looked good even on a fan film budget, and I'm sure it would look amazing if it had a few million dollars and some high-tier CG artists and costume designers working on it.

 

[DaveMoral]

^Exactly. You want a realistic looking turtle? Tokka in TMNTII. No one wants to watch heroes that look lik the mutant turtle villian from a previous TMNT incarnation.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

http://nebezial.deviantart.com/art/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-121465691
Always loved this design for a new movie idea.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

I like the design except the 'abs' on the chest.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I like the faces the most. And the apparent size differences.