New Live Action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Movie In The Works? - Part 5

[Lord Valumart]

You know, I remember before the internet and I'd only know about a movie when it's poster when up at my cinema...

 

[I'm Old Greg]

Pucker Up Michael Bay and Kiss my Turtle BUTT

 

[Zaron]

After the heavy promotion kicks up all this talk of bad marketing will fade and not be spoken of again, as has happened with several films in the past when faced with similar conditions. There is nothing vague about that statement.

Now there's the clarification I was seeking!

And I think it's obvious that we won't keep talking about the late start after the promotion starts. We've had months to discuss that already anyway. Instead we'll be discussing the quality of whatever trailers/other promo material drops, and won't go back to discussing things like the very late start in promotion until we're discussing the film's box office performance and how that late start may have made an impact for better or worse.

I'm not in the game of being proven right or wrong. I just like stating my opinions and observations for consumption. Given you were eager to state that: no matter what happens in april, what you said about promotion will still count/be true. I take it you care more about being wrong and such than I do. To each his own.

Like the quality and reception of this film, I try to keep and open mind, I suppose that would qualify a form of vagueness. To that end, I am most certainly never wrong.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything, but when someone makes a statement like "Things will change. This happens with every movie. Like clockwork." that is very clearly a prediction, and I was looking to clarify what you were predicting would happen. I mean, since we have no official promotional materials to discuss, predictions are about all we have right now.

You know, I remember before the internet and I'd only know about a movie when it's poster when up at my cinema...

It's really sad that we don't even have a teaser poster. Most films have those things out ridiculously early.

 

[addison81]

I want a trailer already. I haven't given up on this film yet haha.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

It's really sad that we don't even have a teaser poster. Most films have those things out ridiculously early.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again, I think it comes down to a lack of confidence from the studio and everyone involved.

1. Script rewrites.

2. Release date changes.

3. They're releasing the film tucked in between "Guardians of the Galaxy" and "Sin City: A Dame To Kill For." Now, granted, kids aren't going to be going to "Sin City 2" but if "Guardians of the Galaxy" proves to be successful, which judging from everything we've seen it will, the "TMNT" reboot is going to have a hard time. Unless, the trailer alone can convince people this is something they have to rush out to the theater to see then it might dethrone "GOTG" at the box-office, but I would suspect first week a number 2 or 3 spot if that (but don't hold me to it).

4. This reboot is pretty polarizing. You either love it, hate it, or find yourself in between. If it weren't for all the things I've seen and read that I dislike outweighing everything, I might give this film a chance. The trailer will be the last straw for me but for the rest of you--- who knows? I'm sure toy sales will be through the roof, but the movie itself is hard to say.

But yeah... all the other August films have released a poster, teaser trailer, and high-def photos. This hasn't. We've seen glimpses at Shredder, the TMNT, April, Vernon, and the Foot, but no real photos from the film itself. I mean look at the mass-marketing going on right now for "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" and "Amazing Spider-Man 2", they're getting the Internet abuzz all the time; the anticipation for those two films is red hot.

With this reboot, it's either a lack of confidence for the project, a lack of money for marketing, or people are just sitting on their hands and knees and doing nothing.

And *if* the film isn't screened for critics then expect a new Turtles movie in 5-10 years down the road.

This might very well be a "Green Lantern" and "Lone Ranger" disaster or it might turn out to be "X-Men: First Class." Who knows. But the way things are going, I wouldn't get too optimistic.

 

[Zaron]

I'll say it before and I'll say it again, I think it comes down to a lack of confidence from the studio and everyone involved.

1. Script rewrites.

2. Release date changes.

3. They're releasing the film tucked in between "Guardians of the Galaxy" and "Sin City: A Dame To Kill For." Now, granted, kids aren't going to be going to "Sin City 2" but if "Guardians of the Galaxy" proves to be successful, which judging from everything we've seen it will, the "TMNT" reboot is going to have a hard time. Unless, the trailer alone can convince people this is something they have to rush out to the theater to see then it might dethrone "GOTG" at the box-office, but I would suspect first week a number 2 or 3 spot if that (but don't hold me to it).

4. This reboot is pretty polarizing. You either love it, hate it, or find yourself in between. If it weren't for all the things I've seen and read that I dislike outweighing everything, I might give this film a chance. The trailer will be the last straw for me but for the rest of you--- who knows? I'm sure toy sales will be through the roof, but the movie itself is hard to say.

But yeah... all the other August films have released a poster, teaser trailer, and high-def photos. This hasn't. We've seen glimpses at Shredder, the TMNT, April, Vernon, and the Foot, but no real photos from the film itself. I mean look at the mass-marketing going on right now for "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" and "Amazing Spider-Man 2", they're getting the Internet abuzz all the time; the anticipation for those two films is red hot.

With this reboot, it's either a lack of confidence for the project, a lack of money for marketing, or people are just sitting on their hands and knees and doing nothing.

And *if* the film isn't screened for critics then expect a new Turtles movie in 5-10 years down the road.

This might very well be a "Green Lantern" and "Lone Ranger" disaster or it might turn out to be "X-Men: First Class." Who knows. But the way things are going, I wouldn't get too optimistic.

I don't think a lack of confidence is likely. I agree with pretty much everything else you said, but this is a Michael Bay film, and he has a history of pissing off the internet really bad, but making a truckload of money regardless. I think it's more likely that all the rewriting/reshoots/repackaging is throwing this film way over budget, and they're trying to make up for it with a short, intense ad campaign. If it weren't going for such a competitive spot toward the end of a really intense summer of blockbusters, I might even think it's a sound plan.

I don't know if I would count Sin City as competition, at least not without having seen TMNT's trailer yet. GotG is definitely going to be a problem, though. It's generated a lot of hype and has that same "enough action and humor for adults, but not so much that you can't take your kids" feel that an ideal TMNT film should have. If TMNT goes the route of Transformers and makes things a lot more action-heavy, I could see SC being a bit of a problem, but it should be easy for TMNT to overcome that, because as much as I loved the first SC, I think more people are in love with the concept and visual style of it than the actual film. TMNT has a dedicated fanbase, as polarized as they may be about this project. Although, the fact that SC at least has a trailer and TMNT still has jack is definitely a huge point in SC's favor.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I was prowling the internet, visiting a few random forums, and came across an alleged plot summary for this film.

So far, I have not found a source for it and there are a few wordings here that are very questionable, but if legit, it sounds pretty good:

Oruko Saki is the Shredder, leader of the Foot Clan, an ancient order of ninjas. His rival, Hamato Yoshi, objects to Saki turning the Foot Clan into a criminal organization in the Tokyo underworld.

Saki has mastered an ancient martial technique that makes him virtually unbeatable, but Yoshi successfully creates a counter-technique that could defeat him. In anger, Saki killed Yoshi, but Yoshi's pet rat, Splinter, who had learned Ninjutsu from observing Yoshi's training, manages to escape and flee to New York City.

Saki's adoptive son, an American orphan named Eric Sachs, replaces him as The Shredder and travels to New York City, where he militarizes the Foot Clan. Alongside his loyal protege, Karai, Sachs aspires to expand the Foot Clan's control across the globe.

In the sewers beneath New York City, Splinter and four turtles come into contact with Ooze, a mutagen developed by Dr. Baxter Stockman. They become sentient and humanoid, and Splinter takes the turtles under his wing, naming them Leonardo, Raphael, Donatello and Michelangelo, and teaching them the secrets of Ninjutsu, including Yoshi's fabled technique.

As the Turtles begin sabotaging the Foot Clan's expansion efforts, their paths cross with April O'Neil, a young and ambitious reporter from a newspaper owned by Bernadette Thompson, who believes breaking the story on the secrets of the elusive Foot Clan will launch her career. April is tagged for assassination by the Foot Clan for her meddling, and ends up being rescued by the Turtles. One of Raphael's sais is left behind, and April manages to trace it to the Turtles. They then form an alliance to stop the Shredder before he takes over New York's crime families, all while the Shredder, learning of the Turtles' existence and, particularly, of the survival of Splinter and Yoshi's technique, sends hordes of Foot assassins led by Karai to slay the Turtles.

 

[TheFirstAvenger]

That sounds pretty cool but I think it's fake.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Doesn't sound half bad....but doesn't sound half good though either

 

[venom892]

The stuff with Ralph's sai seems too much like the original movie.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

It's not Ralph...it's not spelled Ralpheal. It's simply Raph. I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp

 

[I'm Old Greg]

Thats the plot of the First Film minus the dumb "Adoptive Son" part. WTF

 

[wonderwoman5757]

I was prowling the internet, visiting a few random forums, and came across an alleged plot summary for this film.

So far, I have not found a source for it and there are a few wordings here that are very questionable, but if legit, it sounds pretty good:

That's fake. Know why? This line: "ambitious reporter from a newspaper owned by Bernadette Thompson." One, Channel6News isn't a newspaper it's a news station. Two, Bernadette doesn't own anything, she runs it. Fake, fake, fake fake. Ugh.

 

[Marvin]

3. They're releasing the film tucked in between "Guardians of the Galaxy" and "Sin City: A Dame To Kill For." Now, granted, kids aren't going to be going to "Sin City 2" but if "Guardians of the Galaxy" proves to be successful, which judging from everything we've seen it will, the "TMNT" reboot is going to have a hard time. Unless, the trailer alone can convince people this is something they have to rush out to the theater to see then it might dethrone "GOTG" at the box-office, but I would suspect first week a number 2 or 3 spot if that (but don't hold me to it).

Curious just what you think GoG's numbers will be. Opening and total. Do you (actually) think it will do better than the original Thor and Captain America? I get that the marvel brand is hot now but the last few films like this, particularly Serenity, made a statement about how interested the casual/general audience is about such things. Big internet response or otherwise.
speaking of which...

4. This reboot is pretty polarizing. You either love it, hate it, or find yourself in between.

If all you had to go on was internet bi polarity you wouldn't think TF is like the third biggest franchise going. All that matters is how they sell to the GA. I mean all the negative talk about the TF designs for example, the casting, the hatred for the director...etc. Contrast that with the sheer love other films have gotten only to perform poorly. Bay and them don't show up to Comic con for a reason, that is they know where their audience lies. Just saying.

I mean look at the mass-marketing going on right now for "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" and "Amazing Spider-Man 2", they're getting the Internet abuzz all the time; the anticipation for those two films is red hot.

Interesting you should mention this. Those two films, fall within the next two months and their marketing is everywhere. I'd so much as assert that the intensity is so high right now, everyone, everywhere is seeing them and anyone who didn't know those two films were being released probably knows now.
This says something about what can be done when it comes to audience awareness 2 months out. 'internet buzz all the time...' Was last years spidey trailer even needed I wonder.

And *if* the film isn't screened for critics then expect a new Turtles movie in 5-10 years down the road.

This is very likely a candidate for a critic proof film. Ignoring the idea that perhaps the target audience for this film isn't really all about reading reviews(Nick Kids), Bay involved genre films tend to do well inspite of criticism. Pain and Gain relied on criticism, Transformers, very much in spite of it. Just saying it needs to make the GA/kids happy, not so much the critics. No critical screening could go either way and the sheer lack of it probably isn't a the key factor in how long a sequel takes to come about.

This might very well be a "Green Lantern" and "Lone Ranger" disaster or it might turn out to be "X-Men: First Class." Who knows. But the way things are going, I wouldn't get too optimistic.

Those are the 3 best examples you can pull? Is it because they were all reboots? Or because none of them made all that much money?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I want to know what people think GOTG is going to do as well? I guess it could surprise and be a smash but fanboys were also convinced that Pacific Rim was going to be the next Star Wars and that damn sure didn't happen. Can we wait closer to release before we start engaging in box office hyperbole?

I agree that critics aren't going to matter one way or the other to something like TMNT. It's going to make what it's going to make.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I feel like GotG is going to be hit, pratt is going to be hilarious and everyone else will be badass; they're going to kill it.

 

[terry78]

I'm fine with that synopsis if it is true, though I hope they get into more of the sci-fi aspect in a sequel, like maybe dealing with Dimension X.

 

[warhorse78]

You know, I remember before the internet and I'd only know about a movie when it's poster when up at my cinema...

Back before the internet, it was usually either a magazine (one of the teeny bopper mags, or Entertainment, Premier,) that gave me heads up. The 1990 TMNT movie I became aware of when I used to subscribe to some sort of kids magazine. Other venues of awareness would also be Entertainment Tonight (it used to air on a 7 on CBS) and then the previews at the movies.

 

[Zaron]

I want to know what people think GOTG is going to do as well? I guess it could surprise and be a smash but fanboys were also convinced that Pacific Rim was going to be the next Star Wars and that damn sure didn't happen. Can we wait closer to release before we start engaging in box office hyperbole?

I agree that critics aren't going to matter one way or the other to something like TMNT. It's going to make what it's going to make.

Well, to be fair, Pacific Rim did actually do pretty well, just not in America. But I get your point. The hype for Pacific Rim was incredible, and Pacific Rim was a fantastic movie that totally delivered everything it promised, yet the film's domestic box office was a complete failure. I sure as hell didn't see that coming, and I've since read several long-winded articles about various theories as to why it failed to impress American audiences. However, I don't think anyone is saying GotG is going to be the next Star Wars or anything, but I'd be surprised if it did poorly at the box office. I'm expecting it to do at least as well as Thor, since that was also a film full of Marvel characters mostly unknown to general audiences, with sci-fi cosmic origins to boot. Thor wasn't a smash hit, but it did well enough to justify Marvel moving forward with the characters and take another film, with a third one on the way. I think if GotG is anywhere near as good as the trailer makes it out to be (and the trailer makes it look fantastic) then TMNT is going to have some heavy competition on its opening weekend.

 

[venom892]

It's not Ralph...it's not spelled Ralpheal. It's simply Raph. I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp

I didn't realize it was such a touchy subject for you. I am truly and utterly sorry for any pain and inconvenience this may have caused you.

 

[terry78]

^People do it online all the time, it is kind of an annoyance. Like people that constantly spell Lois Louis.

 

[Marvin]

Well, to be fair, Pacific Rim did actually do pretty well, just not in America. But I get your point. The hype for Pacific Rim was incredible, and Pacific Rim was a fantastic movie that totally delivered everything it promised, yet the film's domestic box office was a complete failure. I sure as hell didn't see that coming, and I've since read several long-winded articles about various theories as to why it failed to impress American audiences. However, I don't think anyone is saying GotG is going to be the next Star Wars or anything, but I'd be surprised if it did poorly at the box office. I'm expecting it to do at least as well as Thor, since that was also a film full of Marvel characters mostly unknown to general audiences, with sci-fi cosmic origins to boot. Thor wasn't a smash hit, but it did well enough to justify Marvel moving forward with the characters and take another film, with a third one on the way. I think if GotG is anywhere near as good as the trailer makes it out to be (and the trailer makes it look fantastic) then TMNT is going to have some heavy competition on its opening weekend.

That's just it, it will do well. The marvel branding won't let it flop but people are getting carried away with these predictions.

Marvel trailers always look great, their films often end up dividing the comic book fans and going over mostly well with the GA. 2013 was a master class on this, it's not as crazy as the dc situation but it happens, Avengers aside.

Secondly, Avengers and it's direct sequel not withstanding, these marvel films don't exactly break the bank, openings or total. And this will be Marvel's hardest sell to the GA bar none. Both in terms or star power and brand recognition. Quite the executive decision to have two of the biggest stars in the world right now only doing voice work...
Call me simple minded but Cooper and Diesel in the roles of certain other members would have been
I mean seriously!

This idea that TMNT will open in second(or third) place assumes alot. It assumes the turtles will open lower than GoG's second weeked drop off. Both thor films have hit that 35mill range in their second weekends. This is to say the turtles will open less than 35mill? This is to say that GoG does Thor numbers. Quite the assumptions.

Is that what people are really thinking here? As bad as august has been for tent poles, and ignoring that GoG is itself an august release, I would imagine TMNT doing Apes/GiJoe/Bourne3 numbers if not higher. Not 'we're the millers' numbers.

The films will compete, to be sure. I just think Avengers has skewed the perspective on just how taken the GA will be with Guardians. The internet went nuts for Super8 and Prim in a similar way. The marketing caters to net imo.

Both films will probably end up doing The Wolverine like numbers and the one with the best overseas brand recognition will take the total.

 

[warhorse78]

It's not Ralph...it's not spelled Ralpheal. It's simply Raph. I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp

Oh, so Leonardo isn't Leon, Donatello isn't Donna and Michelangelo isn't Mickey??

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Oh, so Leonardo isn't Leon, Donatello isn't Donna and Michelangelo isn't Mickey??

Nope...Leo, Donnie and Mikey. No Mickey...he's a mouse, not a turtle. And it causes me no personal pain but as said it's really annoying. And Raph is my favorite turtle so that is why it really bugs me

 

[craigdbfan]

This is serious business.