BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!) - Part 1

[sf2]

No, that future scene won't happen at a guess because the studio won't let it. I wish it would though, having a couple of acts of the movie in JL2 with Superman in a Darth Vadar type role would be incredible. Seeing his raw power unleashed is frightening. That bit in the fight where he throws Batman through the building, catches him, throws him into the bat signal and then floats down onto the building, omg, his raw power is just crazy. And seeing the JL scattered and running from him, trying to stay alive while they work out a way to stop him and get him back to normal, that'd be crazy. But for another movie a lot further down the line.

You know, too many fan boys would complain about "that's not my superman". You know, the people who still eat sugar on toast since they were 3 years old.

haha...

i just hope the main storyline of JL1 will still focus mainly on superman...
hope the synopsis of JL will come out soon enough...

 

[sf2]

btw... is it a taboo here for a thread of laughable and ridiculous criticisms on BvS, so that we can poke fun and have smile and a good day???

i thought i made one and it disappear...

will get ban??

 

[sf2]

https://youtu.be/QKnZFGGkLYc



btw, why snyder has such a bad reputation with the critics??? did he kill their parents... lol

 

[Jaxon]

https://youtu.be/QKnZFGGkLYc



btw, why snyder has such a bad reputation with the critics??? did he kill their parents... lol

Snyder makes rich movies but critics don't look past his visual style. Sucker Punch is a celebration of women, about how a woman uses fantasy to cope with an impossible situation and eventually finds that fantasy can help her find her way out. But it is presented in a way that a surface look at that movie it seems like exploitation. You listen to Deborah Snyder talk about how proud she was of that movies messaging about women and you just wonder if critics really are good story readers.

 

[StormC]

Sucker Punch is a celebration of women

Ask women if they feel celebrated by that movie.

 

[sf2]

Snyder makes rich movies but critics don't look past his visual style. Sucker Punch is a celebration of women, about how a woman uses fantasy to cope with an impossible situation and eventually finds that fantasy can help her find her way out. But it is presented in a way that a surface look at that movie it seems like exploitation. You listen to Deborah Snyder talk about how proud she was of that movies messaging about women and you just wonder if critics really are good story readers.

btw, the trailer and the movie of sucker punch are so different. the trailer wowed us and made us interested to watch the movie... then the movie is a totally different things than we thought of... i got bored after the same fantasy of escape / getting the keys repeated several times... the plot is just too thin and simple for a movie...

 

[FunkMiller]

Sucker Punch is a celebration of women, about how a woman uses fantasy to cope with an impossible situation and eventually finds that fantasy can help her find her way out. But it is presented in a way that a surface look at that movie it seems like exploitation.

Oh Jesus Christ. You actually think you're right here, don't you?

Sucker Punch is a piece of mysogynist crap. The central character is a sexualised school girl called Babydoll. The infantalisation of women throughout the film is bloody awful.

Giving a woman a big gun and having her shoot lots of things is not empowerment, especially when they are dressed like porn stars while doing it.

For god's sakes stop making these sweeping and ill-informed comments about important subjects just to defend Zack Snyder's output. It's skin-crawlingly juvenile.

I'm sorry, I try to stay out of the positivity thread as much as possible, but when statements like this are made...

 

[Jaxon]

Oh Jesus Christ. You actually think you're right here, don't you?

Sucker Punch is a piece of mysogynist crap. The central character is a sexualised school girl called Babydoll. The infantalisation of women throughout the film is bloody awful.

Giving a woman a big gun and having her shoot lots of things is not empowerment, especially when they are dressed like porn stars while doing it.

For god's sakes stop making these sweeping and ill-informed comments about important subjects just to defend Zack Snyder's output. It's skin-crawlingly juvenile.

I'm sorry, I try to stay out of the positivity thread as much as possible, but when statements like this are made...

Deborah Snyder who produced this doesn't agree. I'd say she knows exactly what was intended.

Just to note a point, Baby Doll is not the central character but a projection.

 

[FunkMiller]

Deborah Snyder who produced this doesn't agree. I'd say she knows exactly what was intended.

Just to note a point, Baby Doll is not the central character but a projection.

Deborah Synder is the producer of the movie and the wife of the director. Her opinions are biased, to say the least.

Take five minutes on Google to look for independent comments about the movie, and you'll see the same opinions cropping up across the board from both men and women.

Sucker Punch is misogyny masquerading as female empowerment. It's about the objectification of women, a celebration of the male gaze. Snyder's utter tone-deafness when it comes to what empowers women is clear and on display through the entire flick.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Sucker Punch is absolutely terrible film, from my opinion. Both in content and especially execution.

 

[Sleiek]

We finally disagree about something, OutOfBoose.
I don't particularly find the movie great but it was a good experience. I agreed with Deborah Snyder analysis as that's how I perceived the movie, probably helped by the fact I took Psychology classes in College. Certain things I learned made the movie far more interesting than it could have been, in my opinion.

But enough about Sucker Punch.

Do you think we will get a scene (between the warning and actual fight) that makes Superman soften his stand against Batman?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

What I love so much about BvS and MOS is that ZS does not romanticize the heroes. I believe that if a Superman type being ever showed up, it would turn the world upside down. I love this approach. People would love him, hate him, worship him etc... As much as I enjoy Reeve's Superman, I just don't see a world being so accepting of someone like that. The uncertainty surrounding him among the people and governments would be extremely high. Even with his heroics, people would still be afraid. What if with those types of powers, he ever decided to not use them for good because of some traumatic event he suffers. Bringing in an older, more experienced Batman fits so perfectly with this. Here is someone who has had personal experiences with good people who have turned bad. Couple this with what Superman is capable of and how Batman perceives his career against crime to be a failure, to have lost his faith in the good that is still out there, I found all this to be so interesting.

I also love that, being raised as a human, Superman displays a variety of human emotions. We see Superman doubt his place in the world. Yes, Superman is supposed to be a beacon of hope but I can appreciate the journey it takes to get there. I feel it's disingenuous to have him never waver, with the reaction he has received from the world and the incidents that have occurred since he has donned the cape. Again, being raised human, I fully expect him to show the full range of emotions over the course of both films. And with this Superman, we see one of the most important traits displayed for the character, endurance. Through all the adversity and mixed reactions he has received, he ultimately endures and continues his fight for humanity. Of course this action is not lost on Batman, it brings him out of his despair and provides hope to him, that there is indeed still good out there.

I can understand some people not taking a liking to Superman and Batman in this film as much as they could or have in the past, because here they are not at their best. It is not until the end when we see both characters rise from the troubles that each of them faced. But until that point, it is at times a dark journey but one that I feel is honest, especially with the world's reaction and the circumstances put on them. It is why I appreciate what was done with this film so much.

 

[Sleiek]

Excellent perspective.

 

[OutOfBoose]

We finally disagree about something, OutOfBoose.

It had to be something.

Do you think we will get a scene (between the warning and actual fight) that makes Superman soften his stand against Batman?

The only thing I can expect, if he hears something during his investigation in Gotham. Something that says, that Batman was helping the city during it's darkest nights long time ago, but something has changed.

 

[LamboMan]

What I love so much about BvS and MOS is that ZS does not romanticize the heroes. I believe that if a Superman type being ever showed up, it would turn the world upside down. I love this approach. People would love him, hate him, worship him etc... As much as I enjoy Reeve's Superman, I just don't see a world being so accepting of someone like that. The uncertainty surrounding him among the people and governments would be extremely high. Even with his heroics, people would still be afraid. What if with those types of powers, he ever decided to not use them for good because of some traumatic event he suffers. Bringing in an older, more experienced Batman fits so perfectly with this. Here is someone who has had personal experiences with good people who have turned bad. Couple this with what Superman is capable of and how Batman perceives his career against crime to be a failure, to have lost his faith in the good that is still out there, I found all this to be so interesting.

I also love that, being raised as a human, Superman displays a variety of human emotions. We see Superman doubt his place in the world. Yes, Superman is supposed to be a beacon of hope but I can appreciate the journey it takes to get there. I feel it's disingenuous to have him never waver, with the reaction he has received from the world and the incidents that have occurred since he has donned the cape. Again, being raised human, I fully expect him to show the full range of emotions over the course of both films. And with this Superman, we see one of the most important traits displayed for the character, endurance. Through all the adversity and mixed reactions he has received, he ultimately endures and continues his fight for humanity. Of course this action is not lost on Batman, it brings him out of his despair and provides hope to him, that there is indeed still good out there.

I can understand some people not taking a liking to Superman and Batman in this film as much as they could or have in the past, because here they are not at their best. It is not until the end when we see both characters rise from the troubles that each of them faced. But until that point, it is at times a dark journey but one that I feel is honest, especially with the world's reaction and the circumstances put on them. It is why I appreciate what was done with this film so much.

Quoted for the m'fkin TRUTH!! Now these words really are a flawless victory! mnm:

 

[kguillou]

What I love so much about BvS and MOS is that ZS does not romanticize the heroes. I believe that if a Superman type being ever showed up, it would turn the world upside down. I love this approach. People would love him, hate him, worship him etc... As much as I enjoy Reeve's Superman, I just don't see a world being so accepting of someone like that. The uncertainty surrounding him among the people and governments would be extremely high. Even with his heroics, people would still be afraid. What if with those types of powers, he ever decided to not use them for good because of some traumatic event he suffers. Bringing in an older, more experienced Batman fits so perfectly with this. Here is someone who has had personal experiences with good people who have turned bad. Couple this with what Superman is capable of and how Batman perceives his career against crime to be a failure, to have lost his faith in the good that is still out there, I found all this to be so interesting.

I also love that, being raised as a human, Superman displays a variety of human emotions. We see Superman doubt his place in the world. Yes, Superman is supposed to be a beacon of hope but I can appreciate the journey it takes to get there. I feel it's disingenuous to have him never waver, with the reaction he has received from the world and the incidents that have occurred since he has donned the cape. Again, being raised human, I fully expect him to show the full range of emotions over the course of both films. And with this Superman, we see one of the most important traits displayed for the character, endurance. Through all the adversity and mixed reactions he has received, he ultimately endures and continues his fight for humanity. Of course this action is not lost on Batman, it brings him out of his despair and provides hope to him, that there is indeed still good out there.

I can understand some people not taking a liking to Superman and Batman in this film as much as they could or have in the past, because here they are not at their best. It is not until the end when we see both characters rise from the troubles that each of them faced. But until that point, it is at times a dark journey but one that I feel is honest, especially with the world's reaction and the circumstances put on them. It is why I appreciate what was done with this film so much.

Very nice post, friend. I share the same perspective as you. The film is polarizing and dark and that scared people away from it. I think it is a nice, different bold take on the characters. Its not everybodys cup of tea obviously, but I always appreciate a different approach.

You know whats a good comparison? Marvel's Ultimate universe vs. The 616. Marvel's ultimate world was at the time of its creation a much more realistic, more gritty and featured arguably darker versions of the Marvel characters. Captain America 616 and Ultimate Cap are night and day. At their core they are the same hero but 616 Cap's personality and methods are much different that Ultimate Cap who is much more hardcore. Ultimate Cap was polarizing to readers who were used to the traditional Steve Rogers but in his essence he was the same kind of hero than 616 Steve. Thats how I feel with Snyder's universe. This is DC's "Ultimate" universe. The characters retain the same core traits but they are grittier interpretations than the traiditonal characters we are used to so it is polarizing but I dont think that makes them invalid takes on the characters.

 

[tdeverea]

What I love so much about BvS and MOS is that ZS does not romanticize the heroes. I believe that if a Superman type being ever showed up, it would turn the world upside down. I love this approach. People would love him, hate him, worship him etc... As much as I enjoy Reeve's Superman, I just don't see a world being so accepting of someone like that. The uncertainty surrounding him among the people and governments would be extremely high. Even with his heroics, people would still be afraid. What if with those types of powers, he ever decided to not use them for good because of some traumatic event he suffers. Bringing in an older, more experienced Batman fits so perfectly with this. Here is someone who has had personal experiences with good people who have turned bad. Couple this with what Superman is capable of and how Batman perceives his career against crime to be a failure, to have lost his faith in the good that is still out there, I found all this to be so interesting.

I also love that, being raised as a human, Superman displays a variety of human emotions. We see Superman doubt his place in the world. Yes, Superman is supposed to be a beacon of hope but I can appreciate the journey it takes to get there. I feel it's disingenuous to have him never waver, with the reaction he has received from the world and the incidents that have occurred since he has donned the cape. Again, being raised human, I fully expect him to show the full range of emotions over the course of both films. And with this Superman, we see one of the most important traits displayed for the character, endurance. Through all the adversity and mixed reactions he has received, he ultimately endures and continues his fight for humanity. Of course this action is not lost on Batman, it brings him out of his despair and provides hope to him, that there is indeed still good out there.

I can understand some people not taking a liking to Superman and Batman in this film as much as they could or have in the past, because here they are not at their best. It is not until the end when we see both characters rise from the troubles that each of them faced. But until that point, it is at times a dark journey but one that I feel is honest, especially with the world's reaction and the circumstances put on them. It is why I appreciate what was done with this film so much.

excellent

 

[sf2]

What I love so much about BvS and MOS is that ZS does not romanticize the heroes. I believe that if a Superman type being ever showed up, it would turn the world upside down. I love this approach. People would love him, hate him, worship him etc... As much as I enjoy Reeve's Superman, I just don't see a world being so accepting of someone like that. The uncertainty surrounding him among the people and governments would be extremely high. Even with his heroics, people would still be afraid. What if with those types of powers, he ever decided to not use them for good because of some traumatic event he suffers. Bringing in an older, more experienced Batman fits so perfectly with this. Here is someone who has had personal experiences with good people who have turned bad. Couple this with what Superman is capable of and how Batman perceives his career against crime to be a failure, to have lost his faith in the good that is still out there, I found all this to be so interesting.

I also love that, being raised as a human, Superman displays a variety of human emotions. We see Superman doubt his place in the world. Yes, Superman is supposed to be a beacon of hope but I can appreciate the journey it takes to get there. I feel it's disingenuous to have him never waver, with the reaction he has received from the world and the incidents that have occurred since he has donned the cape. Again, being raised human, I fully expect him to show the full range of emotions over the course of both films. And with this Superman, we see one of the most important traits displayed for the character, endurance. Through all the adversity and mixed reactions he has received, he ultimately endures and continues his fight for humanity. Of course this action is not lost on Batman, it brings him out of his despair and provides hope to him, that there is indeed still good out there.

I can understand some people not taking a liking to Superman and Batman in this film as much as they could or have in the past, because here they are not at their best. It is not until the end when we see both characters rise from the troubles that each of them faced. But until that point, it is at times a dark journey but one that I feel is honest, especially with the world's reaction and the circumstances put on them. It is why I appreciate what was done with this film so much.

can't agree more with you.

do you think there is a chance for those who strongly disagree with you will somehow share your view and agree with you in the end?

will they be batman or they will stick forever as lex luthor?

 

[Luke234]

I understand these movies not bring the favourites for little kids but mani just love mos and BVS. Could watch them over and over. Snyder is a genius in my book.

 

[The_Manhunter]

So there ARE other people who love the film who haven't been chased away by the unfans of the film. This is a nice surprise

I've avoided the BvS boards because of all the hate and because I was banned basically for liking the movie but maybe I'll stick around now

 

[OutOfBoose]

Unless you remove the word "hater", you will get banned again.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Unless you remove the word "hater", you will get banned again.

Wait is that for real?

 

[Sleiek]

Yeah, We are not allowed to talk about the other group of people here.

Just BvS... A closed isolated box for the positive people to share our opinion about the movie.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Yeah, We are not allowed to talk about the other group of people here.

Just BvS... A closed isolated box for the positive people to share our opinion about the movie.

Now I remember why I left lol. The other site is sooooooooo much better for DCEU talk

 

[sf2]

it's a trap word to send us to the phantom zone in this thread. lol
be positive.