BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!) - Part 1

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I watched the fight again last night (been watching the films in parts on my iPad when I've been cooking me tea or something else). My favourite part is still when Batman keeps punching Superman and the Kryptonite dust has warn off, then Batmans face and Supes does that little smile. Just so perfect!

I do love that moment. Cavill totally sells the first punch as well, looks like he really feels it, but I loved them showing the punches getting less effective as the Kyrptonite wore off.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I wasn't in love with Supes cocky look at Batman after the kryptonite wore off; I think it gave the wrong impression and didn't fit with Supes desperation in the situation.

 

[Sleiek]

Supes was just recovering from an ass whooping. You don't know how mad he is.

Edit: Anyway, ComicConverse posted an awesome article recently, and I am surprised to see positive comments.

Batman v Superman: The Triumph of Hope in the DCEU

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

He can be mad but that look didn't show mad, it showed cockiness and arrogance and then he attacks... His mother is still in danger isn't she?
Anyway, I don't like that Superman gave the look but I think Henry did well.

 

[sf2]

He can be mad but that look didn't show mad, it showed cockiness and arrogance and then he attacks... His mother is still in danger isn't she?
Anyway, I don't like that Superman gave the look but I think Henry did well.

what should be the appropriate reaction to you?
to look angry and mad like eyes in burning fire.

 

[BH/HHH]

It's easy to react differently in a moment.

 

[batfreakforever]

I wasn't in love with Supes cocky look at Batman after the kryptonite wore off; I think it gave the wrong impression and didn't fit with Supes desperation in the situation.

He just got his ass kicked by Bats. Wtf man. He was ready to kick bats ass now the kryptonite wore off.

 

[Bren]

I agree with Phoenix. Considering his Mom's life is on the clock, 'cocky/arrogant/my turn' looks aren't my preference. Somewhat naively, I would understand him trying to talk to Batman again there.

"Will you please listen to me! My mother is about to die and I need your help!".


But it's called BvS so imo stupidity must reign.

Edit: Apologies, this is the (discussion-free) Positivity thread. My bad.

 

[Sleiek]

We discuss, just not the negative nitpicky ones. That's the point of the Positivity thread.

 

[Bren]

That's not a discussion, that's a circle jerk.


I KID, I KID

Watched it again yesterday, 3rd time - enjoyed it a bit more tbh. The Batman warehouse fight... Spectacular.
Oddly, I enjoyed the Doomsday fight a bit more too.

 

[BH/HHH]

Feeling the urge to watch this again already, the Ultimate Edition us just a phenomenal movie. While it's nit my favourite Superman movie (don't worry it's still up there) it's definitely my favourite Batman movie post Batman '89.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

what should be the appropriate reaction to you?
to look angry and mad like eyes in burning fire.

I think he should have looked angry minus the cockiness and arrogance. Maybe a hint of being afflicted and sadness but still mainly focused on saving his mom.

 

[Sleiek]

Sheldon got a life size Batfleck statue in the latest episode. lol

 

[Steamteck]

He can be mad but that look didn't show mad, it showed cockiness and arrogance and then he attacks... His mother is still in danger isn't she?
Anyway, I don't like that Superman gave the look but I think Henry did well.

I actually liked that. It gels with my image of Batman and also made it seem more like a real person. As for Superman, He was about to get some of his own back so I get it.

 

[Steamteck]

I agree with Phoenix. Considering his Mom's life is on the clock, 'cocky/arrogant/my turn' looks aren't my preference. Somewhat naively, I would understand him trying to talk to Batman again there.

"Will you please listen to me! My mother is about to die and I need your help!".


But it's called BvS so imo stupidity must reign.

Edit: Apologies, this is the (discussion-free) Positivity thread. My bad.

Batman seemed pretty beyond reason to me. Other films that shall not be named had similar scenes.

 

[sf2]

I think he should have looked angry minus the cockiness and arrogance. Maybe a hint of being afflicted and sadness but still mainly focused on saving his mom.

that scene works perfectly fine to me. if i have to complain, it would be he shouldn't engage further on the fight after he threw batman away across the (bathroom?).

 

[wnjcwjkk]

OK this sounds a lot like me. I can't stand comic books but I know the basics from watching cartoons TV shows and movies. Ive seen Supes 1 and 2 and SR and every Batman movie from 1989 on; and I loved BvS. I saw it 3x before it left theaters. Only difference is I didn't love Lex I was more accepting of him.
Apart from that last part, it was like you we're talking to me.

I was a fan of comics going back before I can remember, probably age 3 or 4. Used to watch every movie I could get, over and over again, and learned to read from comic books. Around age 14 or so, I had different interests and stopped following the comics, for the most part, until my early 20's when I picked up Watchmen and rediscovered everything I loved about comics, but also what appealed to my sensibilities and the things I look for in stories as an adult. Batman and Superman, specifically, were always my favorites (along with X-Men and Captain America)


So I have this big gap in my life that separates the way I viewed Superheroed through the innocent eyes of a child, and as an adult who likes good drama, psychological character stories, darker material, symbolism and allegory, deeper themes, beautiful cinematography, etc.


BvS is the perfect movie for me, then. I'm not saying the film is flawless, but overall, I love how it so eloquently and cleverly addresses that disconnect between the more childish view of Superheroes and the world in the Golden Age, and the complexities of the real world, that we have to face as adults. To me, it feels like both a Superhero movie and a deeper, serious, dramatic story. I think the best stories are those that reflect something about the society that created them, and I feel BvS does that, in a way that examines the role of these mythological characters within the world we live today, as opposed to the culture that originally created and read these stories. Again, not saying it doesn't have flaws.



But those are the CBMs I really appreciate, the more "mature", "adult", for lack of better terms, stories. I also love MoS, TDKT, and Watchmen. And I think Civil War is fantastic and Marvel has created some great stories as well, I love DareDevil, and can't wait to see Logan because it sounds like that is going to be right in my wheelhouse, hope we get to see more like it

 

[sf2]

co-incident???

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Batman seemed pretty beyond reason to me. Other films that shall not be named had similar scenes.

I have argued this before in other threads, people think Superman should have tried to reason with Batman more. I see their point there in a way, but Batman was there to kill Superman. You even see a realisation of this on Superman's face that Barman is going to kill him and he starts fighting back then while still feeling the effects of the Kryptonite.

People also seem to think that because of the Martha moment Batman was reasonable and could be talked out of it. I think the movie clearly shows that wasn't the case, if Alfred couldn't talk Bruce out of it i seriously doubt any kind of pleading from Clark would have. The Martha moment didn't show Batman was reasonable, it showed how far Batman had fallen and the name Martha shocked him into realising this.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Didn't know where to post this without causing a ****storm so I figured this as good a place as any.

I can't say I'm right or wrong on this one because it's based on my POV and what I took away from BvS. Art is subjective. People who analyze art walk away from it sometimes coming to same conclusions and at other times at odds when their interpretations don't line up. In other words this is my disclaimer.

I view BvS as a commentary on the contemporary political climate of the United States. Our heroes and villains avatars of ideas and schools of thought. With in Batman I see the Right gone wrong. Angry and fueled by fear and paranoia. Wonder Woman is the Left gone cynical. Apathetic and selfish, disillusioned with the idea of a better world and willing to compromise with complacency. Superman is the American immigrant, the disenfranchised youth, the outsider longing to make their home a better place whose optimism and hopes are constantly dashed by anger, fear, paranoia, apathy, selfishness, and complaceny all brought on by Lex Luthor who is an avatar or the malleable media, the oligarchy, unchecked and unbalanced captialism. And Doomsday is terrorism.

Like I said that's just my POV and why I think Snyder made a brilliant movie. Even if that's not what he was going for the fact that I could easily reach these conclusions is a testament to his prowess as a filmmaker.

Peace

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Didn't know where to post this without causing a ****storm so I figured this as good a place as any.

I can't say I'm right or wrong on this one because it's based on my POV and what I took away from BvS. Art is subjective. People who analyze art walk away from it sometimes coming to same conclusions and at other times at odds when their interpretations don't line up. In other words this is my disclaimer.

I view BvS as a commentary on the contemporary political climate of the United States. Our heroes and villains avatars of ideas and schools of thought. With in Batman I see the Right gone wrong. Angry and fueled by fear and paranoia. Wonder Woman is the Left gone cynical. Apathetic and selfish, disillusioned with the idea of a better world and willing to compromise with complacency. Superman is the American immigrant, the disenfranchised youth, the outsider longing to make their home a better place whose optimism and hopes are constantly dashed by anger, fear, paranoia, apathy, selfishness, and complaceny all brought on by Lex Luthor who is an avatar or the malleable media, the oligarchy, unchecked and unbalanced captialism. And Doomsday is terrorism.

Like I said that's just my POV and why I think Snyder made a brilliant movie. Even if that's not what he was going for the fact that I could easily reach these conclusions is a testament to his prowess as a filmmaker.

Peace

Well said, man. I feel the same way. I think the extreme division in the way Superman is viewed by the public helps to underscore this. People get so entrenched in their view and defensive, they get blinded to what is really best for humanity at large, it becomes more about "Us vs Them".

One addendum I would make to your interpretation, I also see Lex as the embodiment of the tactics that those in power, who wish to maintain or gain power, use to turn the public against each other, to manipulate the public towards their own benefit, and Doomsday as the personification of Hate and Fear (two of the most effective means of manipulating large groups, as well as Belief (religion, values, ideas of morality)), and you could include terrorism in that group, as it pertains to all three.



It will always be a clever, thoughtful, brilliant film, in my humble opinion.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

Didn't know where to post this without causing a ****storm so I figured this as good a place as any.

I can't say I'm right or wrong on this one because it's based on my POV and what I took away from BvS. Art is subjective. People who analyze art walk away from it sometimes coming to same conclusions and at other times at odds when their interpretations don't line up. In other words this is my disclaimer.

I view BvS as a commentary on the contemporary political climate of the United States. Our heroes and villains avatars of ideas and schools of thought. With in Batman I see the Right gone wrong. Angry and fueled by fear and paranoia. Wonder Woman is the Left gone cynical. Apathetic and selfish, disillusioned with the idea of a better world and willing to compromise with complacency. Superman is the American immigrant, the disenfranchised youth, the outsider longing to make their home a better place whose optimism and hopes are constantly dashed by anger, fear, paranoia, apathy, selfishness, and complaceny all brought on by Lex Luthor who is an avatar or the malleable media, the oligarchy, unchecked and unbalanced captialism. And Doomsday is terrorism.

Like I said that's just my POV and why I think Snyder made a brilliant movie. Even if that's not what he was going for the fact that I could easily reach these conclusions is a testament to his prowess as a filmmaker.

Peace

Yep.

 

[Consona]

Yea, this film works for me on so many levels. I think Snyder really accomplished what he wanted to do, something mythological, i.e. archetypal, with many layers you can interpret, etc.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Yea, this film works for me on so many levels. I think Snyder really accomplished what he wanted to do, something mythological, i.e. archetypal, with many layers you can interpret, etc.

And I'm glad he went for that mythological flavor. It's what makes DC special if you ask me, and it's why these films connect more with me, even if there's so many areas where they could be a lot better.

 

[Micromind]