BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!) - Part 1

[OutOfBoose]

I don't know. I don't think I get the final moments of Lex's plan. Unless elaborated more in future films... Who knows.

 

[LamboMan]

Answers for EVERYBODY!!! Wooo

http://www.manofsteelanswers.com/lex-luthor-explained/

 

[OutOfBoose]

Answers for EVERYBODY!!! Wooo

http://www.manofsteelanswers.com/lex-luthor-explained/

I'm processing it. But I didn't wrap my head around everything yet.

 

[Jaxon]

Answers for EVERYBODY!!! Wooo

http://www.manofsteelanswers.com/lex-luthor-explained/

That was well explained. Honestly I thought it was all pretty well explained in the movie. I think the one thing they should have added, which is explained in this article are the 2 questions Lex has most likely asked to the scout ship;

How do you kill Superman? (I can create Doomsday)
Is there anything else like him out there? (There's this Darkseid guy)

 

[TheTarkKnight]

Is that a Joker sticker on the rifle? WTH?

 

[Jaxon]

Is that a Joker sticker on the rifle? WTH?

Good find. I have no explanation other than like the robin suit he uses it to steel himself

 

[Mysteryman]

I believe that it is a joker playing card.
Speculation has been that Batman killed The Joker and kept the card as a kind of trophy.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Answers for EVERYBODY!!! Wooo

http://www.manofsteelanswers.com/lex-luthor-explained/

Excellent read.

And that Knightmare Batman above is so cool looking

 

[LamboMan]

Glad people are liking that Lex Luthor explained article! ^^

 

[Aquafinn90]

great little read here
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3839399

 

[Cats]

 

[wnjcwjkk]

^^^ Nice photo! I love seeing film/comic comparisons like that, makes me appreciate Zack Snyder's visual style that much more.


I would have never picked up on that Joker card on Batman's rifle, great spot!

 

[HaplessHenchman]

great little read here
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3839399

Awesome. Thanks for posting.

 

[JOE]

The scene where he rescues Martha is my favorite scenes in the movie. Epic Batman being epic!

 

[matt47]

I'd love WB if they released that whole fight online in HD.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Going for the 5th time today! so excited.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

great little read here
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3839399

Thanks for posting.

From that article:

Superman has finally retreived the Kryptonite spear, and looks at Lois and tells her, "This is my world..." This particular moment is where we see (much like in Man of Steel) that Superman is no doubt committed to give his life for the people of Earth... WILLINGLY. Batman sees this. Wonder Woman sees this. The world sees this. Superman embraced his role as Earth's protector once again and paid the ultimate sacrifice. Superman's sacrifice is more than just a Christ-like act of heroism. The aftereffects are much more grand. This sacrifice is the spark that drives Wonder Woman to not give up on humanity yet. This sacrifice puts a fire in Batman that causes a change in his heart and makes him strive to be a hero once again. Close to the end Bruce Wayne says to Diana Prince at the funeral, "Men are still good." This line is so very powerful as it not only solidifies Diana's willingness to return to the aid of mankind, but also emphasizes Bruce's change of heart. Bruce doesn't want to fail Superman in death. We saw a broken, cynical man find hope, we saw an outcast realize his home, and we saw a warrior fight for a cause she thought was once lost.

Spot on

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Saw this movie again today, loved it even more, score goes up to 8/10 now, really don't get the reception this movie has gotten.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Saw this movie again today, loved it even more, score goes up to 8/10 now, really don't get the reception this movie has gotten.

I felt the same way after each time I watched it(twice). I feel there is so much there when you take the time to think about it and "peel back the layers". There is a lot to chew on and it sticks with you.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I felt the same way after each time I watched it(twice). I feel there is so much there when you take the time to think about it and "peel back the layers". There is a lot to chew on and it sticks with you.

Definitely, I couldn't get the movie out of my head after my first viewing, and this meant I enjoyed the 2nd viewing so much and more because I noticed new things. I will forever be baffled by its reception, I really will.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Definitely, I couldn't get the movie out of my head after my first viewing, and this meant I enjoyed the 2nd viewing so much and more because I noticed new things. I will forever be baffled by its reception, I really will.

same. This movie takes a lot of risks, critics tend to be favorable to "safe" movies that don't, evidently(ie. The Jungle Book- what the hell is all the hype about for that movie? mediocre at best)

To me this was a CBM masterpiece. EVERYTHING I wanted to see in this movie was in this movie.
fantastic dialogue, superb acting, phenomenal cinematography and visuals, layered story, though-provoking, teases for JL
did I mention the acting?(looking at you Holly Hunter, Gal Gadot, Ben Affleck, Jesse Eisenberg)

 

[Vortigern99]

I'm so happy/relieved to see the film being discussed in a positive light. I had given up on this site due to the enormous criticism against BvS. It's good to know there are others here who love the movie, too.

I give BvS 4/5 stars. It's brilliant, artful, breathtaking. Repeat viewings help to clarify plot points and character motivations that one may initially miss due to the density and complexity of the film. Superman is explicitly not a killer, and Batman only applies lethal force to those who are trying to kill him when there are no other options. He can't penetrate an armored LexCorp vehicle with rubber bullets or a batarang!

Superman states "This is my world" before sacrificing his life against Doomsday, showing that he has made the choice that Martha gave him: he chooses Earth. Just as he did in MoS when he prevented Zod from turning our planet into New Krypton! Superman's characterization is consistently heroic, selfless. He even smiles as he saves the girl in Mexico! This is a Superman we can all believe in, cherish as a model of what is excellent in humanity.

At the same time, because the film is grounded in a close approximation of the real world, there are consequences for his heroic acts. Jonathan's ghost/memory reminds Clark that the Lang farm was destroyed by his own heroic act. Superman saves Lois at the outset of the story, but he's blamed for the deaths that happen there (which are clearly not his fault, if we are paying attention).

The tone of the film is certainly serious. The subject matter is heavy, even oppressive at times. It's not a film for young children. But there are moments of lightness and humor. And most significantly, in the end the heroism of the protagonists prevails against the forces of destruction and paranoia. This is one of the most complex, artful and important films of its genre ever made.

 

[Micromind]

I'm so happy/relieved to see the film being discussed in a positive light. I had given up on this site due to the enormous criticism against BvS. It's good to know there are others here who love the movie, too.

I give BvS 4/5 stars. It's brilliant, artful, breathtaking. Repeat viewings help to clarify plot points and character motivations that one may initially miss due to the density and complexity of the film. Superman is explicitly not a killer, and Batman only applies lethal force to those who are trying to kill him when there are no other options. He can't penetrate an armored LexCorp vehicle with rubber bullets or a batarang!

Superman states "This is my world" before sacrificing his life against Doomsday, showing that he has made the choice that Martha gave him: he chooses Earth. Just as he did in MoS when he prevented Zod from turning our planet into New Krypton! Superman's characterization is consistently heroic, selfless. He even smiles as he saves the girl in Mexico! This is a Superman we can all believe in, cherish as a model of what is excellent in humanity.

At the same time, because the film is grounded in a close approximation of the real world, there are consequences for his heroic acts. Jonathan's ghost/memory reminds Clark that the Lang farm was destroyed by his own heroic act. Superman saves Lois at the outset of the story, but he's blamed for the deaths that happen there (which are clearly not his fault, if we are paying attention).

The tone of the film is certainly serious. The subject matter is heavy, even oppressive at times. It's not a film for young children. But there are moments of lightness and humor. And most significantly, in the end the heroism of the protagonists prevails against the forces of destruction and paranoia. This is one of the most complex, artful and important films of its genre ever made.

About those two scenes, when Clark meets the ghost of Jonathan Kent, Pa Kent tells him the story how he diverted the flood waters away from his farm but felt miserable after learning that what he thought was a heroic act, resulted in flooding Lang's farm, "horses drowned, I can still hear those wails", but how Jonathan eventually managed to find peace when he married Martha Kent, "You are my world".

In the third act, Superman decides to sacrifice himself to save the world, "this is my world" but he also finds peace before doing that when he says to Lois "You are my world" a reference to the Pa Kent's narrative shown earlier, which completes the circle.

 

[Vortigern99]

About those two scenes, when Clark meets the ghost of Jonathan Kent, Pa Kent tells him the story how he diverted the flood waters away from his farm but felt miserable after learning that what he thought was a heroic act, resulted in flooding Lang's farm, "horses drowned, I can still hear those wails", but how Jonathan eventually managed to find peace when he married Martha Kent, "You are my world".

In the third act, Superman decides to sacrifice himself to save the world, "this is my world" but he also finds peace before doing that when he says to Lois "You are my world" a reference to the Pa Kent's narrative shown earlier, which completes the circle.

Exactly!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm so happy/relieved to see the film being discussed in a positive light. I had given up on this site due to the enormous criticism against BvS. It's good to know there are others here who love the movie, too.

I give BvS 4/5 stars. It's brilliant, artful, breathtaking. Repeat viewings help to clarify plot points and character motivations that one may initially miss due to the density and complexity of the film. Superman is explicitly not a killer, and Batman only applies lethal force to those who are trying to kill him when there are no other options. He can't penetrate an armored LexCorp vehicle with rubber bullets or a batarang!

Superman states "This is my world" before sacrificing his life against Doomsday, showing that he has made the choice that Martha gave him: he chooses Earth. Just as he did in MoS when he prevented Zod from turning our planet into New Krypton! Superman's characterization is consistently heroic, selfless. He even smiles as he saves the girl in Mexico! This is a Superman we can all believe in, cherish as a model of what is excellent in humanity.

At the same time, because the film is grounded in a close approximation of the real world, there are consequences for his heroic acts. Jonathan's ghost/memory reminds Clark that the Lang farm was destroyed by his own heroic act. Superman saves Lois at the outset of the story, but he's blamed for the deaths that happen there (which are clearly not his fault, if we are paying attention).

The tone of the film is certainly serious. The subject matter is heavy, even oppressive at times. It's not a film for young children. But there are moments of lightness and humor. And most significantly, in the end the heroism of the protagonists prevails against the forces of destruction and paranoia. This is one of the most complex, artful and important films of its genre ever made.

About those two scenes, when Clark meets the ghost of Jonathan Kent, Pa Kent tells him the story how he diverted the flood waters away from his farm but felt miserable after learning that what he thought was a heroic act, resulted in flooding Lang's farm, "horses drowned, I can still hear those wails", but how Jonathan eventually managed to find peace when he married Martha Kent, "You are my world".

In the third act, Superman decides to sacrifice himself to save the world, "this is my world" but he also finds peace before doing that when he says to Lois "You are my world" a reference to the Pa Kent's narrative shown earlier, which completes the circle.

Totally agree with both of you. And Bruce yeah I noticed that too on 2nd viewing, when he says that to Lois you know he has accepted this works as his and he has accepted to choose to 'be their hero' by sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday.