Homecoming New Spider-Man animated series coming in 2017

[Spider-Aziz]

Normal and natural IMO, not forced as some seem to think.

Nothing wrong with using bro but both how much they used it and how the actor would say it would make it irritating. Another thing that bothered me about Eddie was how much he got mad at Peter that one time for selling his pictures when he knows uncle ben isnt around to provide anymore. Seemed like an out of character moment just to start sending eddie down the path of being a *****e.

You mean in episode 10?
That's because Pete took pictures and didn't call the cops.
Then the ooze didn't give Eddie the image of Pete seeing Connors in the lab, after Black Cat sneak out.

 

[Infinity9999x]

As much as TSSM got right, I felt like this was unnecessary. Not that it was specifically bad or anything, just...overkill. I can see the pros and cons of it, but for me the cons outweigh the pros regarding a Kitty Kraven (love that nickname btw lol).



I think it was definitely intentional, but not in that way--the "appeal to kids at all costs" way. It really didn't bother me, but I guess at the time I was around a bunch of middle school and high school kids who called each other bro a lot. I still use the term infrequently.



Dang right.

Yeah, I was in late HS/early college when it was on, and it felt a bit forced to me then. Not all the time, but in some moments, such as MJ's "I don't think he's your bro anymore." That was supposed to be a serious moment, but the use of bro in that sentence just made it a bit silly.

Again, this is pretty nitpicky stuff, because I think SSM would have rivaled BTAS had it been able to go on longer.

 

[The Infernal]

I don't think that's necessarily true. SSM was damn good, but it wasn't perfect. Kitty Kraven and the overuse of "bro" spring to mind.

But it did set a high bar. I don't need this show to match it, but if it takes inspiration from it I wouldn't be sad.

I felt it was a bit weird also. Another thing that stood out to me was Harry's mother being alive yet had no real presence in the show.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Nothing wrong with using bro but both how much they used it and how the actor would say it would make it irritating. Another thing that bothered me about Eddie was how much he got mad at Peter that one time for selling his pictures when he knows uncle ben isnt around to provide anymore. Seemed like an out of character moment just to start sending eddie down the path of being a *****e.

It wasn't that Peter was selling pictures, it was that he abandoned the efforts of the lab crew with a lame excuse then totally didn't do his excuse and instead stayed to take pictures and profit from the mayhem they were trying to fix.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Yeah, I was in late HS/early college when it was on, and it felt a bit forced to me then. Not all the time, but in some moments, such as MJ's "I don't think he's your bro anymore." That was supposed to be a serious moment, but the use of bro in that sentence just made it a bit silly.

Okay, yes, that did bother me. It's the only one I can think of though.

Again, this is pretty nitpicky stuff, because I think SSM would have rivaled BTAS had it been able to go on longer.

Definitely.

I felt it was a bit weird also. Another thing that stood out to me was Harry's mother being alive yet had no real presence in the show.

I think Weisman has stated there were plans for her character. They did very little (if anything) by accident on that show.

You mean in episode 10?
That's because Pete took pictures and didn't call the cops.
Then the ooze didn't give Eddie the image of Pete seeing Connors in the lab, after Black Cat sneak out.

Oh, man! I was just thinking of the Lizard episode and you were thinking of this one. Nice work bro!

 

[JOE]

I'm just hoping the animation isn't terrible... I had the skinny leg/ankle big torso stuff.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Animation =! character design though.

Spectacular had divisive character designs, but AMAZING animation.

USM had more beloved overall character designs but the animation from what I've seen isn't as fluid or dynamic as Spectacular's was.

 

[JOE]

Animation =! character design though.

Spectacular had divisive character designs, but AMAZING animation.

USM had more beloved overall character designs but the animation from what I've seen isn't as fluid or dynamic as Spectacular's was.

Makes sense.

Do you have an example of another comic book TV show that utilizes both properly?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Makes sense.

Do you have an example of another comic book TV show that utilizes both properly?

Young Justice comes to mind.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Makes sense.

Do you have an example of another comic book TV show that utilizes both properly?

Aziz mentioned Young Justice (another Weisman show) but to be honest my biggest example would be the DCAU, especially in it's later years (post-B:TAS redesign and S:TAS premiere). The longer the DCAU went on, the more the character designs were distinctly Bruce Timm created. His work became simpler and more angular, and by the time JLU rolled around it was a wholly separate aesthetic than the first seasons of B:TAS. Check the fluidity in animation from an early B:TAS episode compared to a later one post-redesign such as "Mad Love" (one of my favorites). The animation is much crisper and smooth, thanks in no small part to the simpler character designs. (Also the simplicity did not detract from their expressiveness--same with Spectacular). Obviously there is an even bigger gap from episode 1 of B:TAS to the last episode of JLU, but the years gap there is an unfair factor.

Did that make any sense? lol

 

[zeptron]

Animation =! character design though.

Spectacular had divisive character designs, but AMAZING animation.

USM had more beloved overall character designs but the animation from what I've seen isn't as fluid or dynamic as Spectacular's was.

It seems one of the main criticisms more modern cartoons get is the characters not being drawn like they were in cartoons from the 80s/90s. Thing is, the more realistic the art is, the slower the actual animation is and the more time it takes to create a frame. I mean when you draw a comic book, you are drawing still images that don't have to move. You can add all the detail you want, as long as you meet your deadline. Animation however doesn't have that luxury. Thousands of cells go into animating a twenty-two minute production. It is a long and grueling process and the schedule is very tight. But if the art is more simplistic, the better the characters move. This is why Bruce Timm decided to go with more stylized art for shows like Superman TAS, Justice League and the rest of the DCAU.

I've seen so many statements on various forums made on animation and "today's technology" coming from people who don't seem to know what they're talking about and will call creators "lazy". It's not about being lazy. It's not about "dumbing animation" down. It's about producing the best animation they possibly can on a budget.

Shows like Spider-man TAS had art that resembled the comics, but the actual animation suffered as a result as well as being drenched with reused footage. It's also part of the reason why the action sequences were lacking for the most part.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

@zeptron

Nail on the head my friend. Exactly what I was saying regarding Timm's work on the DCAU.

 

[JoeyConQueso]

I want to be optimistic about a new back to basics Spidey show but Marvel Animation has been burning me left and right since Earth's Mightiest ended. People who actually care about animation should be making animation.

 

[ehh]

I have 0 interest in a new Spider-Man series on the Disney channel.

I have more interest in Sony's animated film if anything.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Do we have any artwork from the new series yet?

 

[TheVileOne]

I prefer the animation of Ultimate Spider-Man, specifically seasons 1-3.

 

[Supa]

So after this was announced I ended up watching through season 4 as a sort of due for the dead, and I have to say, the show improved a lot since I dropped it. There's still a number of things that bug me about it, but if it had started like this, it likely would've gotten a better reception from fans.

I like seeing Spidey in a mentor role for younger, inexperienced heroes. It's always been a direction that I felt worked really good for older interpretations of Peter. The Web Warriors are also a much nicer team than the folks from the first season. It helps they're all characters Peter has a relationship with from other source material, except for Scarlet Spider, who's sort of an amalgamation of Ben Reilly and Kaine that ends up working really well.

Plus the next episode apparently features two of my favorites, Mysterio and Moon Knight. Shame it all came too late.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I miss it when animation was there as a fun project to tell expose characters to people without making ties or connections to the film that won't really matter.

 

[ehh]

I really miss the 90's animated series. Despite its flaws, it gave us a lot of ongoing story arcs inspired by the 616 universe. It made me like Venom and the symbiotes, Kingpin was a significant threat, utilized other characters from the Marvel universe, and so on.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I like the improvements they made on the symbiote storyline.
But they overdid it with Kingpin.

 

[ehh]

They gave the symbiotes some depth and the Venom saga arc is one of the strongest 3 episode storylines in the series. If I'm not mistaken, Spider-Man Unlimited was a sequel series?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Some say it was, but I don't feel it.
Venom and Carnage aren't trapped in another dimension, and they are friends.
No one mentioned the ooze to John Jameson.

 

[ehh]

Some say it was, but I don't feel it.
Venom and Carnage aren't trapped in another dimension, and they are friends.
No one mentioned the ooze to John Jameson.

It seems complicated.
http://marvelanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Spider-Man_Unlimited_(TV_Series)

I kind of view it as a spiritual sequel to the 90's show.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I agree with both of you. TAS is a beloved piece of my childhood and for that I can look past its flaws. That said, Kingpin got annoying really quick.

Still, it gave us CBD as Spidey who is officially my head-cannon when I read Spider-Man comics (despite my favorite VA being Rino Romano) and gave us an awesome Venom. Hank Azaria is the man. Oh, and Jennifer Hale as Black Cat.

One more thing: Gave us Doc Ock who I'm convinced should be German from then 'til the end of time.

Spoiler

Music is wonderful, too.
Love live both TAS and SSM.

 

[PeterBenParker]

It seems complicated.
http://marvelanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Spider-Man_Unlimited_(TV_Series)

I kind of view it as a spiritual sequel to the 90's show.

It's easy to see why given they played the same theme song from TAS in it at one point, but I actually view these as the true spiritual sequels to TAS:

With Unlimited being a sequel to those.

Unlimited was never supposed to be as is, really. It was supposed to be an animated series devoted to the earlier stories/comics from the origin story to I believe where Pete would graduate but they weren't able to use the classic suit or anything else. Can't remember exactly as to why.