New York Comic-Con '09 News & Announcements

[iloveclones]

You thought they were trying to make Spider-Man good again? No, no, you heard wrong. They were trying to make Spider-Man emo again.

That's just completely uninformed. There has been no hint of that kind of thing in the comic.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I thought THIS sounds pretty interesting:

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6821.NYCC_~apos~09~colon~_The_Marvels_Project

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I thought THIS sounds pretty interesting:

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6821.NYCC_~apos~09~colon~_The_Marvels_Project

Wow, very interesting. I can't wait for that.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I know I'm prejudiced but isn't the biggest news coming out of the NYCC the new FF creative lineup?


I can't wait.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

From the sounds of Bendis's new deal that they are training him to step up for Quesada when he leaves as EIC. Well, that's just....

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh. The Marvels Project sounds like it could be good because Brubaker and Epting are involved, but I'm always very wary of anything that promises to reveal heretofore unknown secrets from the past. Sometimes it works well, most of the time it doesn't work at all.

 

[Franklin Richards]

It makes me think that their trying to pin a timeline down or something. Unless they are just brilliant about it this could be bad. I can't imagine fixing all the incongruities.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I can see Brubaker giving it a good effort. I'll try to read it with an open mind because Brubaker's the mastermind behind it, and he already orchestrated a pretty slick continuity fix by resolving the lack of a body in Bucky's death with a pretty epic story that's still unraveling to this day. Now, whether five or seven or however many issues will be enough to duplicate that level of success for the whole Marvel universe, I don't know. I do know that I'll be watching The Right Stuff pretty soon to see why he keeps referencing it, though.

Meanwhile: PET AVENGERS!

I'm all over this series. [Simonson-era geek mode]I hope the new frog Thor is Puddlegulp. [/Simonson-era geek mode]

 

[Franklin Richards]

Gotta be Puddlegulp. He's the Beta Ray Bill of the Frog World. Now will Lockjaw talk again? Ya never know.

And maybe after you see The Right Stuff you'll like Hal Jordan a little more.



:gl: :gl: :gl:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Why, do the characters spend most of the movie punching each other in the face for no real reason?

I imagine all the animals would have to talk, unless the whole series is some kind of awkward mime act. Should be fun to finally read what the hell Redwing tells the Falcon.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Why do I picture Zabu and Lockheed as troublemakers?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Who's Zabu again? Is that Ka-Zar's sabretooth tiger?

 

[Franklin Richards]

Yah. He can be a lazy ****er too.

 

[Aztec]

I think it's a problem that what was in The Ultimates is what we've come to accept as political commentary in comics. It wasn't political commentary. It was "I have thought about a political thing once hehehehe have YOU thought about this my political sensibilities are more finely tuned than yours because I don't trust the government"

Your statement in quotations didn't make too much sense but from what I can gather; you accuse The Ultimates of not being political commentary because it seems to suggest that one shouldn't trust the government? Well it was written during the Bush Administration, and sure as heck didn't trust the government when he was in charge. Especially on issues of foreign policy, war, and interventionism which is exactly what Millar was writing about. So it's certainly valide political commentary on that point in history.

 

[Aristotle]

Your statement in quotations didn't make too much sense but from what I can gather; you accuse The Ultimates of not being political commentary because it seems to suggest that one shouldn't trust the government? Well it was written during the Bush Administration, and sure as heck didn't trust the government when he was in charge. Especially on issues of foreign policy, war, and interventionism which is exactly what Millar was writing about. So it's certainly valide political commentary on that point in history.

Yeah, you didn't get what I was saying at all. It's not political commentary because it's hamfisted, awkward, and completely without finesse. If all you got from a story was "DON'T TRUST THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LAWLZ," it wasn't commentary. It was just a bad story with a hamfisted message.

It's political commentary for people whose understanding of politics begins and ends with cheap slogans like "No Blood For Oil" and "Vote Or Die." It's the kind of dumb-liberalism that took hold of people all over the world the moment it became trendy to be leftist again. After years of being happily right-of-center, Westerners everywhere discovered their inner trust-fund-college-kid and turned protester.

But these people don't understand why a person should be a progressive. You talk to them about the real **** that's happening, and they give you a blank stare. Talk to them about the government funneling cocaine into the ghettos from Colombia and they act like you just told them that Boba Fett assassinated John Kennedy with the aid of his teddy bear. Tell them about institutional racism and their own subconscious racism and they act like you just called them the Ku Klux Klan. They don't understand that the real problem is the entire structure of capitalism and the relationship between economic powers and economic dependencies. They don't realize that to solve the problems they claim to care about, they would have to sacrifice. They don't get it. The Ultimates is great political commentary for people who don't get it.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Yeah, you didn't get what I was saying at all. It's not political commentary because it's hamfisted, awkward, and completely without finesse. If all you got from a story was "DON'T TRUST THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LAWLZ," it wasn't commentary. It was just a bad story with a hamfisted message.

It's political commentary for people whose understanding of politics begins and ends with cheap slogans like "No Blood For Oil" and "Vote Or Die." It's the kind of dumb-liberalism that took hold of people all over the world the moment it became trendy to be leftist again. After years of being happily right-of-center, Westerners everywhere discovered their inner trust-fund-college-kid and turned protester.

But these people don't understand why a person should be a progressive. You talk to them about the real **** that's happening, and they give you a blank stare. Talk to them about the government funneling cocaine into the ghettos from Colombia and they act like you just told them that Boba Fett assassinated John Kennedy with the aid of his teddy bear. Tell them about institutional racism and their own subconscious racism and they act like you just called them the Ku Klux Klan. They don't understand that the real problem is the entire structure of capitalism and the relationship between economic powers and economic dependencies. They don't realize that to solve the problems they claim to care about, they would have to sacrifice. They don't get it. The Ultimates is great political commentary for people who don't get it.

 

[GNR]

Marvels Project is going to kick all types of ass.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I wish I could get excited about anything Carey says to hype up X-Men Legacy

 

[Aristotle]

I wish I could get excited about anything Carey says to hype up X-Men Legacy

Man, did he get the ****-end of the X-writing stick or what?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

If somebody told me I had to write a book about Xavier, Gambit, Rogue, and Sebastian Shaw; I'd probably kill myself and then retire.


Yeah, in that order

 

[Aztec]

Yeah, you didn't get what I was saying at all. It's not political commentary because it's hamfisted, awkward, and completely without finesse. If all you got from a story was "DON'T TRUST THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LAWLZ," it wasn't commentary. It was just a bad story with a hamfisted message.

It's political commentary for people whose understanding of politics begins and ends with cheap slogans like "No Blood For Oil" and "Vote Or Die." It's the kind of dumb-liberalism that took hold of people all over the world the moment it became trendy to be leftist again. The Ultimates is great political commentary for people who don't get it.

I'll respectfully disagree. I believe that Millar DID hit several relevant foreign policy topics in an intriguing way. The whole notion of The Ultimates 2 is that the US reaps what it sows when it invades other countries. It's told through the eyes of superheroes, but it's still a valid commentary on contemporary (or at least Bush era contemporary) foreign policy. America travels around the world invading countries and imposing our will, yet Americans act shocked and offended when it happens to us in retaliation. Heck, even The Ultimates realize this and decide that they aren't going to work for S.H.I.E.L.D. anymore. Thus Thor's character arc is realized and he can now officially join the team.

I really hope Millar continues that storyline properly in Ultimate Avengers. Especially since Loeb has raped the series out of decency. Let's all close are eyes and pretend that Loeb never happened and have the true sequel to The Ultimates 2 in the form of Ultimate Avengers!

 

[Aristotle]

If somebody told me I had to write a book about Xavier, Gambit, Rogue, and Sebastian Shaw; I'd probably kill myself and then retire.


Yeah, in that order

"Hey Mike, why don't you quit writing one of the most acclaimed runs on one of the best comics that's ever been published, and come write the X-Men at Marvel? You'll make more money!"
"...Yeah, I guess I will. And I do need to make some money. And it's the ****in' X-Men, who doesn't want to write the ****in' X-Men. Yeah, sure, I'll write X-Men."
"OK, just sign on the dotted line, right there, lock yourself into this."
"...O...kay..."
"Alright, guess what your assigned X-book is?"
"Uncanny?"
"NO! You get to write about Xavier, Gambit, Rogue, and Sebastian Shaw, but you're not allowed to write about them doing ANYTHING COOL OR FUN! Oh, and Mister Sinister's in there, in the early ones."
"..."
"Pretty cool, huh?"
"..."
"So, when can you make it to a story meeting?"
"...I ****ing left Hellblazer for this?"

 

[Aristotle]

I'll respectfully disagree. I believe that Millar DID hit several relevant foreign policy topics in an intriguing way. The whole notion of The Ultimates 2 is that the US reaps what it sows when it invades other countries. It's told through the eyes of superheroes, but it's still a valid commentary on contemporary (or at least Bush era contemporary) foreign policy. America travels around the world invading countries and imposing our will, yet Americans act shocked and offended when it happens to us in retaliation. Heck, even The Ultimates realize this and decide that they aren't going to work for S.H.I.E.L.D. anymore. Thus Thor's character arc is realized and he can now officially join the team.

The sentiment you're expressing is representative of a larger trend in Western culture that is really starting to grate on me. Any time a work of fiction or art has even the flimsiest, most obvious, overdone "message," it's considered "deep." The way I sum up this belief is as follows: "The existence of a message equals the validity of that message." That is, of course, utter ********. Just because a writer can hack out a "message" and somehow force it into a narrative, that doesn't mean that the "message" is deep, or original, or new, or in any way important. Keep in mind when Ultimates II came out: December 2004, which means basically 2005--well after it had become hip to be leftist. If Millar would have been saying that **** in 2001 (and there were artists and performers and writers criticizing the US that early; listen to any David Cross bootleg from 2001 and 2002, or his first album), maybe it would have been important or useful. But he wasn't saying that in 2001. Or 2002. Or 2003. Or 2004. You know what he was saying in Ultimates Vol. 1? Read the subtext: he was pushing a hardline pro-Western viewpoint: individualism, America vs. the world, it's OK to fight dirty if you're fighting for us. In other words, he's a trend****e: he was pro-West when it was cool to be pro-West, and he was anti-West when it was cool to be anti-West. Context means a lot in this situation.

It's hamfisted. It's trendy. It's unsubtle. And it's just not very good. I can't say as I'm looking forward to the sequel--no matter who writes it.

 

[Blader5489]

Talk to them about the government funneling cocaine into the ghettos from Colombia and they act like you just told them that Boba Fett assassinated John Kennedy with the aid of his teddy bear.

I knew it wasn't Oswald!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

"Hey Mike, why don't you quit writing one of the most acclaimed runs on one of the best comics that's ever been published, and come write the X-Men at Marvel? You'll make more money!"
"...Yeah, I guess I will. And I do need to make some money. And it's the ****in' X-Men, who doesn't want to write the ****in' X-Men. Yeah, sure, I'll write X-Men."
"OK, just sign on the dotted line, right there, lock yourself into this."
"...O...kay..."
"Alright, guess what your assigned X-book is?"
"Uncanny?"
"NO! You get to write about Xavier, Gambit, Rogue, and Sebastian Shaw, but you're not allowed to write about them doing ANYTHING COOL OR FUN! Oh, and Mister Sinister's in there, in the early ones."
"..."
"Pretty cool, huh?"
"..."
"So, when can you make it to a story meeting?"
"...I ****ing left Hellblazer for this?"

So what you're saying is that I should check out this Hellblazer business? lol