Justice League Next version of Superman needs to be powered down...a lot!!!

[GarudA]

Well Superman did get his ass kicked by batman and killed by doomsday in the previous movie i.e. the character got punked! And after that you people want him to get punked again by a C-level nobody like Steppenwolf?

Superman was overpowered in JL as a form of an apology for his mistreatment in BvS, so for the future they should treat the character with respect from the get go and give him a villain worthy of his time (Darkseid, Parasite, Metallo, Bizarro, Brainiac, Cyborg Superman etc....).

Mongul,Lobo to add

 

[Rocanrol]

What? This Superman is puny!

He was completely destroyed by a skinny short 51 year old white guy from Green Bay.

 

[KingKane88]

No! I loved his power level in this movie.

I'm with you brother, walked out the theater a happy man! t:

 

[metaphysician]

Just don't do any stupid "Superman massively overpowers everyone else" scenes in future movies. If you absolutely need an explanation, have someone mention "Yeah, that Mother Box energy wasn't going to last forever", implying that he benefited from a temporary buff.

Its not like Superman was *weak* in MoS or BvS, except perhaps in comparison to the silver age god of the Reeves movies. He could still lift oil rigs and drag supertankers, he could still casually fly up to orbit or around the world, he could stick take a nuke on the chin and not die. Its just, this doesn't need to place him in some other power tier than the other JLAers. Even if he's the most powerful JLAer, it should be by degree, with him first amongst peers rather than a titan towering over lessers.

 

[Gu3ree]

He carried that ship that was stuck in the arctic in BvS. I think it would have helped if Steppenwolf hit Superman a few times, before that slow-motion scene.

 

[BigThor]

It would've been much better if Steppenwolf had some like 3 or 4 good punches.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

Well Superman did get his ass kicked by batman and killed by doomsday in the previous movie i.e. the character got punked! And after that you people want him to get punked again by a C-level nobody like Steppenwolf?

Superman was overpowered in JL as a form of an apology for his mistreatment in BvS, so for the future they should treat the character with respect from the get go and give him a villain worthy of his time (Darkseid, Parasite, Metallo, Bizarro, Brainiac, Cyborg Superman etc....).

My thoughts exactly, but my biggest problem was that Superman's shows of power and strength came at the expense of other JL members, and it frankly resulted in remove much of the tension and stakes.

Supes' role in the JL finale was perplexing, as it perpetuated every negative surface-level stereotype held against him.

Chiefly, how his powers negates any sense of danger or hurdles which would normally be faced by any other hero. Now of course we know it doesn't have to be that way, but it was just odd to see how Supes practically strolled and literally grinned his way to victory.

The entire point of JL's banding together is ultimately nullified once Supes enters the picture. At least in this presentation.

And that's what the result of JL's apology for BvS's mishandling of Superman lead to.

 

[writer0327]

Kryptonians are highly intelligent, so I'd rather see Superman deal with more cerebral threats going forward. I felt Superman was perfectly powered in JL. Besides, physical threats for Superman are boring by design, because either he can beat them with strength or he can't. And if he can't, then Superman has to beat them with his mind and intelligence.

 

[Ryudoz]

Kryptonians are highly intelligent, so I'd rather see Superman deal with more cerebral threats going forward. I felt Superman was perfectly powered in JL. Besides, physical threats for Superman are boring by design, because either he can beat them with strength or he can't. And if he can, then Superman has to beat them with his mind and intelligence.

This.

Also, as has previously stated, in the monument fight he was the only one really fighting, none of the others were really trying to out him down. Also, Steppenwolf's inability to land a few good blows is due to the condensed nature of the fight (largely due to runtime issues I'd wager) and the "need to show Supes saving people" that the fan base had previously whined about not getting during the heat of battle.

 

[Lantern Venom]

At this point, he's just too damn powerful and unbeatable. You got to whip out kryptonite or Doomsday to stand a chance. The way he ragdolls the entire Justice League, you almost wonder why the rest of them are even needed. A fight with Wonder Woman should be tough...one headbutt and she's out like a light.

The character is unrelatable. No sense of danger with him. It's like watching a video game.

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Faora got the best of him in their first encounter. His fight with Zod lasted forever. Lois had to save him from Batman. Doomsday was kicking the crap out of the trinity until Supes got the spear. It's safe to say he's been in danger quite a few times.

 

[sf2]

hehehe...

 

[Lantern Venom]

hehehe...

Awesome.

 

[Loki882]

you know what Marvel doesn't do (to their credit)? They don't put their other heroes in that position like this movie did. So another point to Marvel there I guess. And I'm not a slobbering Marvel fanboy, so when I say that you know that it was bad.

Having Superman just effortlessly overpower the rest of the JL singlehandedly as just, so stupid and unnecessary. There was no need to do it, especially making Wonder Woman look as weak as she did.

It still instantly makes the entire point of forming the JL in the first place feel, pointless. Just let Superman do everything since he's clearly better alone than all the others combined (by this movie's "logic"). No need for a team at all I guess.

I mean the "big scary" villain that the rest of them couldn't take together, Superman smacks him around like he's nothing (Steppenwolf cannot even land a single blow on Clark, which is pathetic) while quipping.

You want to make Superman look stronge, fine (and it's not like he was weak in the last two films either). But don't do it at the expense of everyone else, that's just crap writing.

 

[GarudA]

Look at MOS and the amount of people that had died when Superman was going it alone? If you think he can do it all himself then he can't. If he had the league then, with their help could of stopped the more deaths. Don't give me the crap he can do it all alone.

What if Darkseid is shown to be just as powerful as he was in JL:War, do you think Supes can take on that alone?

Most of the people who are whining about Superman's power level are Wonder Woman fans, its all I see in other forums as well.

 

[valmont]

Look at MOS and the amount of people that had died when Superman was going it alone? If you think he can do it all himself then he can't. If he had the league then, with their help could of stopped the more deaths. Don't give me the crap he can do it all alone.

What if Darkseid is shown to be just as powerful as he was in JL:War, do you think Supes can take on that alone?

Most of the people who are whinning about Superman's power level are Wonder Woman fans, its all I see in other forums as well.

Just like superman fans have been whinning since mos, but it's ok when it's them, WW fans are not even allowed to voice their disappointement about 1 movie apparently.

 

[Loki882]

And most of the people praising it are Superman fans. And Superman fans were whining about his portrayal in the last two movies. Funny how that works, fans don't like it when their heroes are portrayed badly.

And MOS is irrelevant here. In the context of JL, Superman overpowers the JL alone and then makes the villain that the rest of them struggled against together look like a threatless punk.

So don't give me that crap about "well he wasn't portrayed as better than all of them combined here" because he was.

It's simple, JUST DON'T WRITE THAT SCENE!! I don't care what their excuse was, there was no reason to write scenes where Superman blitzes the entire JL and then smacks around the baddie like he's nothing. It was completely unnecessary (especially since BVS was centered around a hero vs. hero fight) and made the others look bad for no good reason.

 

[heatvision38]

As much as you may not like how weak Steppenwolf looked compared to Superman keep one thing in mind. Although Superman was kicking his ass, he never actually hurt Steppenwolf. If you go back and watch again you'll see that the only person who physically hurt him was Aquaman. He pierced his shoulder with the trident and smacked him in the gob and that was the only time Steppenwolf stumbled to get back up and was grabbing his shoulder in pain. Also it was Wonder Woman who destroyed his axe and made him poop himself with fear. So it wasn't all Superman. People see what they want to see.

I remember after Superman punched Steppenwolf, when Steppenwolf got back up, his face was cut up and bleeding.

 

[mustapantteri]

And most of the people praising it are Superman fans. And Superman fans were whining about his portrayal in the last two movies. Funny how that works, fans don't like it when their heroes are portrayed badly.

And MOS is irrelevant here. In the context of JL, Superman overpowers the JL alone and then makes the villain that the rest of them struggled against together look like a threatless punk.

So don't give me that crap about "well he wasn't portrayed as better than all of them combined here" because he was.

It's simple, JUST DON'T WRITE THAT SCENE!! I don't care what their excuse was, there was no reason to write scenes where Superman blitzes the entire JL and then smacks around the baddie like he's nothing. It was completely unnecessary (especially since BVS was centered around a hero vs. hero fight) and made the others look bad for no good reason.

Ikr? Imagine if it was the reverse, Wonder Woman took out Superman in a single headbutt and went super saiyan mode punching the big bad while making the rest of the league look like useless background characters, we would never hear the end of it from Superman fans.

 

[AlluAllu]

I think Superman being better at superheroing than the other league combined works in this movie, because he was dead. Justice League's work was done after they resurrected Superman. So in a way the movie's climax happened way before the final battle. It's pretty unorthodox story telling, but not necessarily wrong.

If a sequel were to be made, the League would just have to face challenges that can't be solved by fighting.

 

[markjoedelonge]

No! I loved his power level in this movie.

Me too. He shows why he's the true superhero.

 

[GarudA]

Why is MOS not relevant? He was alone and still needed help of others to trap the Kryptonions in the phantom zone.

What about in JL cartoon it was Superman who was taken on the big guys like Darkseid and Mongul. He even went what you call Super sayin against Darkseid to show how is always holding back.

In Bvs he was beaten down by Batman and could not go head to head with one of he's own biggest villains like Doomsday.

He did not man handle the gang, you guys just want to see what you want. It Supes who was doing the pushing and fighting where's the others were trying restraint and calm him.
Get over it. If it were Aquaman I could understand the whining for God's sake it's Superman.

 

[Superchan]

Come on people not the whole "superman vs wonderwoman" thing again.
Diana wasn't trying to fight him, she was trying to restrain him while superman on the other hand (for no good reason) was out to kill her. I think if she wanted to fight superman like she fought doomsday she could've gotten the better of him.
I personally don't mind seeing superman get beaten every once in a while e.g. Supergirl beat him in her own show and WW beat him in JL TAS and I definitely don't mind seeing him get beat by powerhouses like Darkseid (b***h slapped superman once), General Zod (broke superman's jaw once), Doomsday (killed him, broke his arm etc...), parasite and metallo (both gave him the uber powerful silver superman a black eye) and Lobo (put superman in a hospital in American Alien).
With all that being said I want to repeat myself and say that a nobody like Stepenwolf had no business fighting (let alone beating) superman and the JL.

 

[GarudA]

And in JL animated Mongul was beating Wonder Woman and was about to Kill her and Superman woke up from the dream and saved her,, nobody whined then

 

[Mani-Man]

Supermans Power Level or in general the power levels in the DC universe are a bit tricky.

In the Justice League movie you have a simple excuse for Superman being "overpowered" if you use it.
The Motherbox that left his mind and body a mess and possibly powered him up even further for a while.

End of story pretty much.

Its clear that not one from the League wanted to fight him and especially Wonder Woman, its been made pretty clear that they all held back or were surprised by Clark.

Use the motherbox as excuse but dont repeat it, make a league necessary, dont overpower one character or the other.
There needs to be a reason why the league is needed.

But it was and always will be a bit tricky to get Supermans Power Level, its a tough nut to crack i think.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Come on people not the whole "superman vs wonderwoman" thing again.
Diana wasn't trying to fight him, she was trying to restrain him while superman on the other hand (for no good reason) was out to kill her.

It's obvious at this point that the DCEU Wonder Woman isn't as strong as her comic counterpart. She's got the agility, speed and skill, but not the brute force. While the "No Man's Land" scene was well done in her solo, the comic Diana would have waded through that gunfire without getting pinned down. I've seen comic Wondy stand toe-to-toe with Kryptonian-powered characters like Supergirl and Power Girl and come out on top. When Supes easily won a one-armed tug-of-war with her in Justice League, it should have been obvious that the lower strength level that was established for her in her solo isn't on par with Kal's strength level in MOS or BvS.

I don't think Superman needs to have a power reduction at all. Perhaps to make Wonder Woman fans happy, WB should give her a strength boost in future outings.