Nick fury - black or white?

[Silvermoth]

Blade could be white.

Again, it's not the same thing. When you have thousands of white people in a fictional universe and maybe 4 or 5 prominent African Americans, reducing that amount is no good.

 

[El Payaso]

Again, it's not the same thing. When you have thousands of white people in a fictional universe and maybe 4 or 5 prominent African Americans, reducing that amount is no good.

But if you get Fury black and Blade white it os the same amount.

 

[S. Grundy]

Oddly enough, Clooney was going to star in Fury movie, but he got a hold of the Ennis Fury MAX book and it offended his sensibilities so much so that he pulled out of doing the movie.

 

[Shazam]

Samuel L Jackson is the better Nick Fury. I know alot of fanboys think 616 is better in every way but 616 Nick Fury is kind of boring and cliche. Ultimate Nick Fury (or more to the point Sam) is able to carry himself better in the movies as a shrewd, slightly devious, enigmatic operative.

And how do we even know this without having the 616 Fury "properly" portrayed on the big screen by an A-List actor??

What we can truly say is the Sam Jackson is the only serious incarnation of Fury we've been given.

The Hoff does not count.

If you've read anything about the 616 Fury, you'd know that even Jason Borne would have a hard time with him.

 

[Brian Braddock]

^^^Bingo.

 

[Silvermoth]

And how do we even know this without having the 616 Fury "properly" portrayed on the big screen by an A-List actor??

Well no one knows. This thread is purely about people's preferences.

But if you get Fury black and Blade white it os the same amount.

The whole point is that the Marvel universe does not adequately represent the different races that make up Earth. It's not that you need to swap races around to maintain precisely the same amount.

 

[Union Jack]

The issue really isn't black fury or white fury. It's the character himself cos I like the grizzled war horse 616 better that's all.
That said certain characters need to keep their ethnicity.
I mean I don't think a white Luke cage would work.
Or a black dr doom.
Though it'd be interesting to see what they could do with that.

 

[cherokeesam]

Well no one knows. This thread is purely about people's preferences.


The whole point is that the Marvel universe does not adequately represent the different races that make up Earth. It's not that you need to swap races around to maintain precisely the same amount.

At least Marvel *has* black superheroes. Storm, Black Panther, Bishop, Luke Cage, Monica Rambeau, Falcon, War Machine, Cloak, Misty Knight, Elijah Bradley and Delroy Garrett all figure pretty prominently in the Marvel Universe (and Blade and "Ultimate Fury" have been popularized in the mainstream by their respective movie appearances). DC has, who? Cyborg? Mister Terrific? Vixen? Hell, Hollywood had to force them to dig up one of the most obscure and least popular of the Green Lanterns, John Stewart, to provide Affirmative Action for the Justice League cartoon.

 

[Shazam]

At least Marvel *has* black superheroes. Storm, Black Panther, Bishop, Luke Cage, Monica Rambeau, Falcon, War Machine, Cloak, Misty Knight, Elijah Bradley and Delroy Garrett all figure pretty prominently in the Marvel Universe (and Blade and "Ultimate Fury" have been popularized in the mainstream by their respective movie appearances). DC has, who? Cyborg? Mister Terrific? Vixen? Hell, Hollywood had to force them to dig up one of the most obscure and least popular of the Green Lanterns, John Stewart, to provide Affirmative Action for the Justice League cartoon.

Notice also that none of them have power on cosmic level??

 

[The Guard]

Both.

I've always wanted to see Sam Jackson pull off a MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE style mask in a SHIELD film and reveal a 616 Nick Fury (David Hasslehoff, hehe) underneath, or something along those lines. Not because I think Nick Fury should have to be white, but mainly just because I like the subterfuge of it. "No one knows my real face" and all that.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

At least Marvel *has* black superheroes. Storm, Black Panther, Bishop, Luke Cage, Monica Rambeau, Falcon, War Machine, Cloak, Misty Knight, Elijah Bradley and Delroy Garrett all figure pretty prominently in the Marvel Universe (and Blade and "Ultimate Fury" have been popularized in the mainstream by their respective movie appearances). DC has, who? Cyborg? Mister Terrific? Vixen? Hell, Hollywood had to force them to dig up one of the most obscure and least popular of the Green Lanterns, John Stewart, to provide Affirmative Action for the Justice League cartoon.

eh, I am not a comic-book expert when it comes to the whole pantheon of characters, but there are a few more black Dc superheroes, who even I know of....Black Lightning and Firestorm were both high profile Justice League members, so if you omitted them from your list, I imagine there are a few more.
edit: there is also Steel, who is pretty famous, who even got his own feature film.
edit: I guess you could count Amanda Waller as well, she featured prominantly in the books, as well as in Smallville, and the Green Lantern movie.

there is a whole slew of them on wikipedia, but I don't know how high profile most of them are, but the additional 4 I listed are most definitely high profile.

 

[MarvelKnight]

Maybe Samuel L. Jackson is really playing a Life Model Decoy and we'll never figure out who the real Commander of SHIELD is.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Ha ha, it would be great if each film with Fury begins with him ripping off a mask revealing himself to be a different actor.

 

[DrCosmic]

EMH got it right. Light skinned black dude from here on out. The Ultimates/Sam Jackson version has done too much to revitalize the character to be left out going forward.

 

[gkokujin]

I love the first 2 volumes of the Ultimates and I've got no problem whatsoever with Sam Jackson's Nick Fury being used in the cinematic Marvel Universe but at the same time, given that I grew up with 616 Fury [Steranko's Fury in particular] I'd be lying if I said that a part of me wasn't bummed that we arent getting to see something like that:-

I always thought that guy should and could play Cable. He'd be PERFECT

 

[MarvelKnight]

If they ever go into parallel worlds or alternate realities they could always show flashes of a white Fury instead of black, but I think the way it is and how he is portrayed by sam Jackson is fine. At least we'll get to see him let loose a little bit more in this film action-wise(at least I hope) which will be a nice change instead of just talking and talking and talking.

 

[terry78]

If anybody knows how to play a total ******* and still make him likeable, it's SLJ though.

 

[PROLIFIK1]

I always thought that guy should and could play Cable. He'd be PERFECT

My thoughts exactly! He'd be perfect for Cable!

 

[cherokeesam]

eh, I am not a comic-book expert when it comes to the whole pantheon of characters, but there are a few more black Dc superheroes, who even I know of....Black Lightning and Firestorm were both high profile Justice League members, so if you omitted them from your list, I imagine there are a few more.
edit: there is also Steel, who is pretty famous, who even got his own feature film.
edit: I guess you could count Amanda Waller as well, she featured prominantly in the books, as well as in Smallville, and the Green Lantern movie.

there is a whole slew of them on wikipedia, but I don't know how high profile most of them are, but the additional 4 I listed are most definitely high profile.

I'll give you credit for Steel, but Black Lightning has never been an important character. Firestorm has only been black in very, very recent years as Jason Rousch or whatever; but for most of his career, Firestorm was Ronnie Raymond, who was definitely white.

 

[terry78]

Most of our black heroes nowadays are just legacy characters from previous heroes or knock-offs of existing ones.

 

[The Morningstar]

I prefer 616 Fury as a character. I don't mind SLJ Fury being used in the movies though.

 

[Brian Braddock]

EMH got it right. Light skinned black dude from here on out. The Ultimates/Sam Jackson version has done too much to revitalize the character to be left out going forward.

What it boils down to is that this isnt even really about skin colour for me. My beef is that Fury didnt need any 'revitalization'; he was fine the way he was and the people who grew up with him the way he was as he was before Millar changed him on a whim [and Hitch subsequently used SLJ as facial model] can quite rightly ask why that version doesnt get the cinematic treatment over a version who's been around for only a fraction of the time.

 

[kane9321]

white...

 

[DrCosmic]

What it boils down to is that this isnt even really about skin colour for me. My beef is that Fury didnt need any 'revitalization'; he was fine the way he was and the people who grew up with him the way he was as he was before Millar changed him on a whim [and Hitch subsequently used SLJ as facial model] can quite rightly ask why that version doesnt get the cinematic treatment over a version who's been around for only a fraction of the time.

That's a fine, and common beef. But the truth, as I understand it, is that characters aren't in a vaccuum. They're analyzed as part of a whole, and the whole needed to be revitalized, because it was built around a prejudiced culture and needs to be presented to a modern cosmopolitan culture. You're right in that it isn't about skin color, it's about creating a world with a versimilitude of emotional texture, that is like our world in an emotional way. Where things like race, paranoia, religion and politics dominate our lives. A world without all that isn't relevant. It's not a terribly interesting story to read, and it certainly isn't an interesting story to write, which is why you'll continue to see changes like this.Tackling modern issues in a realistic setting is what made Marvel comics famous. There's no chance, and no credibility, in taking the DC "it's always been this way" stance.

It doesn't hurt tha Fury is in a role usually given to black people (noncombatant badass authority figure) or that he doesn't lose anything that makes him great by being black, only earns more, really. So who else are you going to change? Captain America? Iron Man?

[sarcasm]Why change anyone at all? Why not just keep things they way they've always been and anyone who cares about today's society and isn't satisfied with unimpotant token parts, let them go somewhere else and stay out of my comic books. That's the best way to tell a modern, relevant, relatable, credible story.[/sarcasm]

 

[The Morningstar]

Or... the whole "affirmative action" thing is stupid. It's basically throwing minorities a bone instead of dealing with the real issue.

Instead of making a white character black for no other reason than for the sake of having a black character included... why not just make a movie about a black superhero?

They went the Ultimate Fury route because he was ready made for the screen. That's it. It wasn't because of some misguided, self righteous affirmative action ********.