Nick fury - black or white?

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, that's a pretty spot on parallel with the segregation of schools, and would fail for the same reason. Making an inferior (by virtue of importance and thus finanical and emotional investment) black superhero movie is throwing the minorities a bone. Scraps to appease them, right? Making an important character black is including minorities in something that's important, has always been important and will continue to be important. If you're the meat of the story, like Nick Fury, you can't be a "bone" can you?

Furthermore, including minorities in storytelling, just like including them in schools and such, makes things better for everyone, not just minorities. People whoop and holler with excitement when they see SLJ's Nick Fury for instance. They would not do the same thing for Steven Lang's. The only people who "lose" are people who just "want things the way they've always been." And to be honest, diversity makes more money so they can see more of their beloved characters anyway, so even they win despite themselves.

What, by the way, do you perceive as the "real issue?"

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I'll give you credit for Steel, but Black Lightning has never been an important character. Firestorm has only been black in very, very recent years as Jason Rousch or whatever; but for most of his career, Firestorm was Ronnie Raymond, who was definitely white.

It depends on how you class 'important' character, Black Lightning was part of the very successful Batman and the Outsiders series of the 80s, and he was part of the line-up of the previous re-vamp of the Justice League of America, in the mid-late2000s. I don't know much about modern comics, but that is high profile, as high profile as some of the Marvel characters you listed, who don't have their own books.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yeah, that's a pretty spot on parallel with the segregation of schools, and would fail for the same reason. Making an inferior (by virtue of importance and thus finanical and emotional investment) black superhero movie is throwing the minorities a bone. Scraps to appease them, right? Making an important character black is including minorities in something that's important, has always been important and will continue to be important. If you're the meat of the story, like Nick Fury, you can't be a "bone" can you?

Furthermore, including minorities in storytelling, just like including them in schools and such, makes things better for everyone, not just minorities. The only people who "lose" are people who just "want things the way they've always been."

Fury isn't important. Well, wouldn't be compared to a Black Panther solo film, for example.

Changing Fury from white to black is throwing them a bone, because it's basically saying "Oh well we won't make a big solo movie about a great black superhero, but we'll change a supporting character from white to black. Hows that?"

Like i've already said, I don't mind SLJ Fury being used. Because I like Sam Jackson as an actor and he's an A-Lister. In the books though he isn't really much of a character. He's basically a caricature of Samuel L Jackson.

But 616 Fury is the superior character who has been involved in better stories and has been around for decades. This is undeniable.

 

[DrCosmic]

Fury isn't important? The guy who puts the team together isn't important or the constant in the cinematic universe isn't important? Maybe you're saying the biggest name actor in the film isn't important? I don't get it.

They're still planning the Black Panther movie right along with Strange and whatever else they're prepping. So I don't think they're saying "we won't make a big solo movie about a great black superhero" - they plan to. And it'd be important for different reasons, but I'm not sure how to call one more important than the other. Why would you think of BP as more important?

 

[The Morningstar]

Because he's not just a black supporting character, he's an African King. He's a truly great, powerful (and i don't mean actual powers!) black character.

Jackson's character might be the one who brings all these guys together, but who are people gonna remember when the movie is over? The Hulk? Thor? Cap? Iron Man? Or Samuel L Jackson?

 

[DrCosmic]

Nick Fury, even in the three minutes of the film we've seen, is always depicted as directing the Avengers. "Gentlemen, you're up." It doesn't make any sense to me to try and paint him as a someone who is not truly great or powerul. He tells Thor what to do. I have a hard time imagining SLJ being overshadowed in a film. When was the last time that happened?

I see what you're saying about a black main character, but if Black Panther is only doing his own thing, then he's not really important to the rest of the MCU is he? What's worse, BP's skills powers and resources are almost the same as Captain America's. His story is different, but it's a bit like bringing in Sentry and standing him next to Thor.

 

[The Morningstar]

But how BP attains those skills and powers is very different to the way Cap does and could make for a great story itself.

And when was the last time Jackson was in a movie with the Hulk, Thor, Iron Man and Cap? Sure you could say he was cool in the Star Wars prequels, but it wasn't really hard for him to stand out considering he was surrounded by utter garbage.

 

[MarvelKnight]

I think Fury will come out of his shell and show he is more than just a talker in this film. Up until this point though, as far as the films go, he really has been nothing but a Quality Control guy. Hasn't really had a chance to show that he is capable of handling himself in a fight.

 

[MarvelKnight]

I think, over the course of a whole film, BP would clearly show that he has more of an impact on the MCU as a whole than Fury. Although they are isolationists, Wakanda is the most advanced country in the Marvel U probably. During a BP film, I think not only would you see BP as a king and natural leader and great warrior, you'd see the scope of what he has at his fingertips to command.

Fury has SHIELD but you don't really get a sense yet that his organization has any impact on anything thus far.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Which classic actor would make the best Nick Fury?

Lee Marvin?

Kirk Douglas?

John Wayne?

James Coburn?

Charlton Heston?

Burt Lancaster?

 

[DrCosmic]

I think, over the course of a whole film, BP would clearly show that he has more of an impact on the MCU as a whole than Fury. Although they are isolationists, Wakanda is the most advanced country in the Marvel U probably. During a BP film, I think not only would you see BP as a king and natural leader and great warrior, you'd see the scope of what he has at his fingertips to command.

Fury has SHIELD but you don't really get a sense yet that his organization has any impact on anything thus far.

The organization that found Cap, gave Tony the treatment and ingredients for the cure to his disease and dominated the Thor movie... hasn't had significant overwhelming impact?

I don't think having power by itself makes a character important. Odin has similar, perhaps more, power at his fingertips, but he's not a more important character in the MCU than Fury or Cap, because he doesn't use his power in a way that is relevant to other characters or to the overall story - he's just Thor's Origin. BP, historically, doesn't use his great power outside of Wakandan interests. So he doesn't have a great impact on the Marvel Universe. How do you suggest/suppose the film version would be different?

But how BP attains those skills and powers is very different to the way Cap does and could make for a great story itself.

And when was the last time Jackson was in a movie with the Hulk, Thor, Iron Man and Cap? Sure you could say he was cool in the Star Wars prequels, but it wasn't really hard for him to stand out considering he was surrounded by utter garbage.

I'm not talking about the quality of the story. There are many excellent stories with no impact or importance to the rest of their shared universe. Sam Jackson was in a movie with Darth Vader and Yoda. Even when critically maligned, they are much bigger deals than Thor IM and Cap.

 

[MarvelKnight]

Which classic actor would make the best Nick Fury?

Lee Marvin?

Kirk Douglas?

John Wayne?

James Coburn?

Charlton Heston?

Burt Lancaster?

Out of those choices I'd go with John Wayne, but I am a bit biased as I'm a John Wayne junkie.

I think Clint Eastwood would've been a great Nick Fury.

 

[C. Lee]

Which classic actor would make the best Nick Fury?

Lee Marvin?

Burt Lancaster?

I've been reading comics about Nick Fury since the mid 60's. Marvin and Lancaster were the two big stars that I always hoped would make a Fury movie.

Here's a pic of Lancaster from a movie he made called CASTLE KEEP IN THE LATE 60'S -

 

[The Morningstar]

Marvin, Coburn, Heston and Lancaster would all be awesome as Fury.

Fun fact: Heston's character in True Lies was an homage to Nick Fury.

 

[Shazam]

Which classic actor would make the best Nick Fury?

Lee Marvin?

Kirk Douglas?

John Wayne?

James Coburn?

Charlton Heston?

Burt Lancaster?

How about someone that's alive!t:

 

[C. Lee]

How about someone that's alive!t:

Because he asked our opinion on what classic actor would have been perfect for the part.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Because he asked our opinion on what classic actor would have been perfect for the part.

Exactly.

BTW I think John Wayne or Heston would have made a badass Nick Fury.

 

[Shazam]

fair....

But who could do a 616 Fury today??

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

fair....

But who could do a 616 Fury today??

Bruce Willis
Harrison Ford
Liam Neeson
Chris Cooper
Jeff Bridges
Kurt Russell

 

[terry78]

Bruce Willis is basically playing a Fury-type guy as Coylton in the new Joe flick.

 

[DaveMoral]

So what do you guys think of what is essentially 616 Fury in the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes?

 

[DrCosmic]

^I love him, and would love to see more of him that way. I actually liked the original black Nick Fury from Ultimate X-Men before he got turned into SLJ.

 

[Eddie Dean]

You know who would make a great Fury?

 

[OP84CC82]

I'm fine with SLJ's Nick Fury since it was the first one I knew about when getting into comics (I was reading mainly Ultimate Marvel at the time)

 

[S. Grundy]

Tom Jane would make a good Fury. He's played the part once before.