No Confirmation Yet, Is TIH2 Going to Happen?

[TheVileOne]

The situation reminds me of the Hulk's own comic book history: his title was cancelled after six issues, and had to work his way up as a back-up player in Tales to Astonish before he really achieved stardom.

Fact is, if Guillermo del Toro can spend four or more years before Hellboy films, which aren't huge blockbusters too, so too can Louis Leterrier. The fact Hulk will be in Avengers is something I find lovely, and a good way to keep building up his reputation. He could steal the show.

Who said that Hulk was going to be in Avengers?

 

[Hulkfan2008!]

Who said that Hulk was going to be in Avengers?

the real question is who didnt say hulk was going to be in avengers

 

[ANTOINE X]

Probably someone asked the question already : Is Eward Norton will return in IH2? Any news?This is a real problem, Bana didn't wan to stay now Edward!

 

[Hmarrs]

Okay I’m going to tell you what’s going to happen. I will probably get a lot of slack but that’s okay.
First off we must look at what happened and all of the facts.

With the unpopularity of the first Hulk. Marvel did not put too much into their advertising or promotion of the second Hulk movie.Why? Hulk2 was more of a test to see where the hulk stands and they got their answer. When the first hulk came out there was a lot of talk about the hulk not being mean enough and there was talk about him not being like he was on the TV. and that there was too much story and not enough action.Fast forward to the second movie.Marvel went in the totally opposite direction.Then people said he was too much like the T.V.version, they said it was too much action not enough story.They got the answer they wanted with the reviews once again showing a divided audience who prefer the first Hulk as opposed to the second.

With box office sales of both movies close to being identical.It leaves for one answer.That is neither Hulk will work and yet they both do.The answer they have found (if they are really looking)is that once again the Hulk must be reinvented and he must be a combination of both Hulks,to please everyone thus making a complete sale. Now how do they do that make another reboot? Yes and no you reinvent him in a third movie not his own but what you may ask? In the Avengers he will be bigger than the 08 version but smaller than the 03.He will not be as mean as the 08 version but meaner than the 03 version. HE will be stronger than the 08 version but not as strong as the 03 version. He will not be the borderline villain good guy he was in08butHe will not be the really sweet good guy you saw in 03Etc.Etc.If you take the sales of the 03 crowd and the sales from the 08 crowd and combine them you have the box office numbers you are looking for. Trust me Marvel knows what they are doing(I hope).At first I thought why aren’t they promoting this movie more.Now I know they played it safe just to test the waters.They made their money back and now they know where they need to go.This is me giving them the benifit of the doubt. He won’t be a villain in the avengers but he won’t be the good guy either. They will even probably reinvent his origin .How you may ask? Well it works in their favor to do so.Since he will look slightly different and be slightly different the re-done origin will work in their favor they will probably say he was caught in an explosion (bomb) Gamma bomb I hope which altered his state once again. He will be a threat.Which brings the team together but he will also be what saves them by uniting with them to attack a greater foe. Just like in the comics. This is the only way for Marvel to go they would be foolish not to. It is the only way to save this character. Many of you will argue but you must admit one thing the Box office numbers are divided. You have 08 fans and you have 03 fans they must be brought together to save this francise.He must be a combination of both. I for one see aspects I like in both. If you are a true fan so will you. After the success of the Avengers they will go on the make new movies just like X-men origin movies like Wolverine.
It is the only way for them to go. I believe that was their intention with playing it safe they now know what the public want. You can get angry but the 08 crowd will not be enough and the 03 crowd will not be enough to save the Hulk. Unless both crowds come together the Hulk franchise will cease to exist. We need both sides of the same coin. Marvel if you read this hear what I’m saying it’s the only way. If they combine the two they fulfill everyone’s order.
Until then make my hero green.

 

[dcHulk]

One problem with your logic. The audience for TiH was not that different from the audience of the Hulk. I can't remember where it was posted, but I remember reading that like ~80% of those who claim to be fans of the Hulk '03 went to see TiH. So the box office numbers are not clear cut divided as you suggest. This movie was successful. It has made over $250 million WW. Those who saw it, for the most part, were more satisfied than those who saw Hulk. I don't think the Hulk's look should change anymore, as well as his savage nature in TiH. Now that the Hulk has been re-introduced, show off some more "feats of strength" and clearly demonstrate the direct proportionality of anger to strength. Oh, and get back the cast and crew. They did an excellent job .

 

[jadejaws]

One problem with your logic. The audience for TiH was not that different from the audience of the Hulk. I can't remember where it was posted, but I remember reading that like ~80% of those who claim to be fans of the Hulk '03 went to see TiH. So the box office numbers are not clear cut divided as you suggest. This movie was successful. It has made over $250 million WW. Those who saw it, for the most part, were more satisfied than those who saw Hulk. I don't think the Hulk's look should change anymore, as well as his savage nature in TiH. Now that the Hulk has been re-introduced, show off some more "feats of strength" and clearly demonstrate the direct proportionality of anger to strength. Oh, and get back the cast and crew. They did an excellent job .

nice post.

 

[Hmarrs]

One problem with your logic. The audience for TiH was not that different from the audience of the Hulk. I can't remember where it was posted, but I remember reading that like ~80% of those who claim to be fans of the Hulk '03 went to see TiH. So the box office numbers are not clear cut divided as you suggest. This movie was successful. It has made over $250 million WW. Those who saw it, for the most part, were more satisfied than those who saw Hulk. I don't think the Hulk's look should change anymore, as well as his savage nature in TiH. Now that the Hulk has been re-introduced, show off some more "feats of strength" and clearly demonstrate the direct proportionality of anger to strength. Oh, and get back the cast and crew. They did an excellent job .

Exactly my point and they still complained.
Both times.
Therefore it is up to Marvel to find a happy medium.
What I'm saying is it has been clear cut within themselves.
Many of the same fans find good aspects in Hulk and then good aspects of the Incfredible Hulk but at the same time found fault in both.Many left dissatisfied both times Hulk wasn't the best film but it wasn't the worst.
There were many aspects that were dead on that shouldn't have been changed.TIH wasn't the best film but it wasn't the worst either.There were aspects that were changed that were not nessary.

Universal's comic reboot The Incredible Hulk fell 49% to $4.9M and brought its sum to $124.8M which was almost identical to the $124.7M that 2003's Hulk took in at the same point in its run.
That was then this is now.
Hulk was released on June 20, 2003, earning $62.1 million in its opening weekend, which made it the 16th highest ever opener at the time. With a second weekend drop of 70%, it was the first opener above $20 million to drop over 65%.[41] The film went on to gross $132.2 million in North America, and $113.2 million in foreign countries, coming to a worldwide total of $245.4 million.

The previous film earned $62.1 million in its opening weekend, but dropped 70% in its second weekend. The second film by comparison, dropped 60% in its second weekend.

The Incredible Hulk has grossed $134,387,500 in the United States,as well as $119,700,000 internationally, bringing its worldwide gross to $254,087,500.

Numbers are almost exact.Not much of a margin there.
Also the movie was pulled prematurely from theaters.
Meaning it was costing more to put them out then it was to pull them.
They were losing money.

Iron man Earned somewhere between $400-$500 Million.

Batman $921,000,000 (as of right now)now that's a hit.

A Marvel insider said: "We're happy with the financial results, even if they [only] reach the first film's levels. Having a sequel is not the definition of success."

That being said.Hulk is actually my favorite character.

 

[Hmarrs]

Duplicate.

 

[greenlantern248]

I don't know if anyone saw this but, here is an artical that probably tells the future of TIH right here.

Norton skeptical about

 

[Golgo-13]

I thought there was an early report that said Norton WAS onboard the Avengers movie.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Personally I think that Marvel waiting to see how successful the Incredible Hulk is on DVD/blu-ray before they commit to a sequel.

Frankly there were people who are like my dad who was looking forward to seeing the Hulk on screen but were utterly disappointed by Hulk. My dad said it was one of the worst films he's ever seen (sometimes THE worst). I myself liked Hulk and really enjoyed the Incredible Hulk, but Dad refused to see the Incredible Hulk. He thought it was going to be stupid just like the first film. I tried to tell him that this was going to be more in line with the television show, the interpretation of the character that he bases his views on the Hulk, and is from the company that made Iron Man, a film he really enjoyed. But in the end, he still refused to see it.

I think that if the Incredible Hulk, has really good DVD/blu-ray sales and gets some of the people who refused to watch it in theaters on board with this interpretation of the character, we might end up with a sequel which would be really nice.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Personally I think that Marvel waiting to see how successful the Incredible Hulk is on DVD/blu-ray before they commit to a sequel.

Frankly there were people who are like my dad who was looking forward to seeing the Hulk on screen but were utterly disappointed by Hulk. My dad said it was one of the worst films he's ever seen (sometimes THE worst). I myself liked Hulk and really enjoyed the Incredible Hulk, but Dad refused to see the Incredible Hulk. He thought it was going to be stupid just like the first film. I tried to tell him that this was going to be more in line with the television show, the interpretation of the character that he bases his views on the Hulk, and is from the company that made Iron Man, a film he really enjoyed. But in the end, he still refused to see it.

I think that if the Incredible Hulk, has really good DVD/blu-ray sales and gets some of the people who refused to watch it in theaters on board with this interpretation of the character, we might end up with a sequel which would be really nice.

I took my dad to see it on Fathers Day and he absolutly loved it, mainly because it reminded him of the tv series.

 

[Nirvana]

I hope Marvel still moves forward with a Hulk sequel.

 

[jamesjuhn]

Yeah, I've seen this film as well, and it was surprisingly good(I've never seen the 2003 Ang Lee movie and only have read couple of hulk comic books and seen couple of animated tv series when I was little) and liked what I saw.

I've always been a batman fan at heart and my #1 support will be always towards the bat-films(currently Nolan's franchise), but lack of audiance support for this film is very disappointing (and this is from me who was not really a Hulk fan at all, but converted to a fan - with this and Iron man).

In some others boards, Ang Lee's Hulk is being blamed for the poor box office results as well as the poor marketing for this film(but since I haven't seen Ang Lee's Hulk I won't point my finger at the 2003 film).

It also seems that chances of seeing a sequel to TIH is becoming very bleak with Leterrier saying sequel seems unlikely.

What a real bummer.
Is this the trend in Holywood these days? Only thing which warrants a sequel to a film is the box office result? I've seen loads of movies which receive crap reviews by the critics and general audiances but is still moved on to make a sequel(such as Fantastic four), so this is really disappointing.

Good DVD sales and rentals may give incentive for Marvel to make the sequel, but what are the chances of that happening?

 

[TheVileOne]

jamesjuhn, it's a business. And the thing is, the really whole point about sequels is to make more money. So yeah, generally box office determines whether a movie gets a sequel or not.

Van Helsing was supposed to be a new franchise for Universal. Instead it underperformed, still made over $300 worldwide, and did very well on DVD. But there's no sequel or even the rumored Transylvania spin-off TV series to show for it.

Studios generally want sure things that will garner them the most profit, especially now more than ever.

So I'm not sure what you want. I'm guessing from your post that a movie if you feel "deserves" a sequel should get one. But that's not how Hollywood makes their decisions.

I mean, reports said that Universal decided to make Jason Bourne into a franchise since in 2003, The Bourne Identity was one of the best DVD sellers of the year. But even then, the movie hardly underperformed at the BO. It was a $60 million that made over $120 million, without ever being #1.

 

[Infinity9999x]

jamesjuhn, it's a business. And the thing is, the really whole point about sequels is to make more money. So yeah, generally box office determines whether a movie gets a sequel or not.

Van Helsing was supposed to be a new franchise for Universal. Instead it underperformed, still made over $300 worldwide, and did very well on DVD. But there's no sequel or even the rumored Transylvania spin-off TV series to show for it.

Studios generally want sure things that will garner them the most profit, especially now more than ever.

So I'm not sure what you want. I'm guessing from your post that a movie if you feel "deserves" a sequel should get one. But that's not how Hollywood makes their decisions.

I mean, reports said that Universal decided to make Jason Bourne into a franchise since in 2003, The Bourne Identity was one of the best DVD sellers of the year. But even then, the movie hardly underperformed at the BO. It was a $60 million that made over $120 million, without ever being #1.

I pretty much agree. Movies are put out to make money. I do however think Marvel should keep in mind a few things.

1.) The negative publicity from Hulk basically guaranteed this movie wasn't going to be a blockbuster (heck, BB suffered from B&R, and that was an 8 year gap)

2.) Their advertising was utterly horrible. Most of my friends didn't even know they were making a new Hulk movie until a month before it's release.

If I were them, I'd hold a decision until the dvd sales roll around. If Hulk does well in dvd/blu-ray, then I'd say a sequel wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[jamesjuhn]

I guess you guys are all right.

But I really think that Marvel needs to have a sequel to this one. They went back and came up with this version instead of a total sequel to the 2003 version, and if they don't continue the story with a sequel then what was really the point of starting over again? Really. To clean up the mess(which most people think of when referred to 2003 version) of the 2003 version? Maybe. But I thought that the whole idea of a re-boot is to reignite a movie franchise.

I think it will be very very, sad if this movie does not get a sequel(I feel this way even though I've just been converted to a Hulk fan - I just can't imagine how long-time would feel about this)

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah but the thing is, even though you can probably argue that the movie hit a double or made some profit, it wasn't a HUGE re-ignition. It basically did the same numbers as the first one, critical reaction was generally the same. I don't think people left underwhelmed like the first one though.

But I mean, I think and here is why I don't like the comparison to Batman Begins is valid because the reaction after that movie was totally different.

The expectations like The Incredible Hulk were much lower after previous movies. That's very true. But Batman Begins opened low and continued to climb and do very well. It was very well received by critics. Incredible Hulk didn't really have that affect.

And I think what part of it is, no matter how popular the old TV show might've been, I think it really just is maybe people aren't into the CG Hulk and don't connect to it. I mean the old TV show was on in the late 70's and early 80's. Not much for a common audience to remember. And then, you still had an actual human playing the Hulk the entire time rather than CG wizardry.

Now I am going to go on a weird tangent here, and I'm sorry if this sounds ridiculous. I think the other problem was that in both movies, Hulk is sort of one note. Now they did fix this in some ways in Incredible Hulk. He did say Hulk Smash. And that's great stuff. There just wasn't enough of it. There wasn't enough of Hulk interacting with people besides Betty and smashing. Or showing that he's really just this big, angry kid.

I think the only moments where I saw a couple elements of greatness in Ang Lee's Hulk, first was the puny human bit, and then the realization in the fighter jet sequence where Hulk diverts the plane from hitting a bridge because he doesn't want it to hit the bridge and hurt the people on it.

So I think Hulk's human side or rather his conscience could've been explored some more. He could've talked more, not actually converse but used more Hulk language. Let people know more about his mindset. Also the idea that Hulk knows Banner, and doesn't like Banner, I miss that too .

 

[UA-Archangel]

Hulk 2 is not going to happen anytime soon, if at all.

Though I think it was a very good Hulk movie, it was nowhere near as strong as Ironman. Hulk was into the cheapies within a month of it being made, where Ironman was mainstream for at least a couple of months.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah but the thing is, even though you can probably argue that the movie hit a double or made some profit, it wasn't a HUGE re-ignition. It basically did the same numbers as the first one, critical reaction was generally the same. I don't think people left underwhelmed like the first one though.

But here's the thing though, audience reception is far more important than critical reception. The difference between the audience reception between Hulk and the Incredible Hulk is vastly different this time around. Hulk had an overall weakly negative audience reception. That is why Marvel rebooted it. The Incredible Hulk however had a positive audience reception.

I'm willing to bet that because the audience was more receptive to this incarnation of the Hulk a sequel to the Incredible Hulk will make more money than the Incredible Hulk. Sorta like how the Dark Knight made more money than Batman Begins which had the horrid Batman & Robin tied down to it.

 

[TheVileOne]

But here's the thing though, audience reception is far more important than critical reception. The difference between the audience reception between Hulk and the Incredible Hulk is vastly different this time around. Hulk had an overall weakly negative audience reception. That is why Marvel rebooted it. The Incredible Hulk however had a positive audience reception.

Yeah, but the word of mouth on the movie wasn't that good. Early on, everyone was trying to make a comparison to the movie and Batman Begins. Begins did not dropoff like this movie did.

So while I might agree it was better than Hulk, it wasn't THAT much better to get better word of mouth and return viewings.

I think if it had been CLOSER to what you are suggesting, the current state of Hulk in the movies wouldn't be so questionable right now. Because right now it looks like there's no Hulk sequel for the forseeable future.

I'm willing to bet that because the audience was more receptive to this incarnation of the Hulk a sequel to the Incredible Hulk will make more money than the Incredible Hulk. Sorta like how the Dark Knight made more money than Batman Begins which had the horrid Batman & Robin tied down to it.

Well from the looks of things, it's not happening until 2012 at the earliest. And there you are getting a gap similar to this and the first Hulk. I don't think that bodes well for a sequel.

A Hulk sequel doesn't look high on Marvel's priority list right now, and honestly I think that's the right way to go. Thor, Cap, and Avengers have much greater potential right now and have no baggage unlike the Hulk franchise. I think there's even greater potential for something like Ant-Man which audiences wouldn't have any huge expectations for.

 

[SNIKT1950]

If I were them, I'd hold a decision until the dvd sales roll around. If Hulk does well in dvd/blu-ray, then I'd say a sequel wouldn't be a bad idea.

I agree, even though I want Norton to be the villain in The Avengers movie.

We need one more solo Hulk movie before Banner goes bad.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hulk's never really been a bad guy unless you count the Maestro.

While I get it would basically be a way to do the Ultimates or Avengers vs. Hulk fight from the Ultimates comics and Ultimate Avengers in live action, I'm not sure it really works to have Hulk as a main villain for Avengers.

Do people really want to see Hulk in Avengers though?

 

[Microchip]

If there's no Hulk in Avengers, there's no Avengers. The idea of that movie is really to combine a few popular movies into one uber movie. There's Thor, Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk. You take one out, and you're down to 3. Does anyone really want to see Thor? Maybe not. Now you're down to 2. If Captain America does well, then you've still only got 2 people in Avengers. That's not what this movie is supposed to be.

 

[dcHulk]

Yeah, but the word of mouth on the movie wasn't that good. Early on, everyone was trying to make a comparison to the movie and Batman Begins. Begins did not dropoff like this movie did.

So while I might agree it was better than Hulk, it wasn't THAT much better to get better word of mouth and return viewings.

I think if it had been CLOSER to what you are suggesting, the current state of Hulk in the movies wouldn't be so questionable right now. Because right now it looks like there's no Hulk sequel for the forseeable future.



Well from the looks of things, it's not happening until 2012 at the earliest. And there you are getting a gap similar to this and the first Hulk. I don't think that bodes well for a sequel.

A Hulk sequel doesn't look high on Marvel's priority list right now, and honestly I think that's the right way to go. Thor, Cap, and Avengers have much greater potential right now and have no baggage unlike the Hulk franchise. I think there's even greater potential for something like Ant-Man which audiences wouldn't have any huge expectations for.

I wouldn't have a problem waiting that long. I'm interested in seeing the other movies marvel has planned as well, although Hulk is my absolute favorite. If we think positively, it may very well be cheaper to make another hulk movie in 4 years. but then again, maybe not with our current economic turmoil (we just might revert back to the old barting system).

Sure TiH didn't make as much dough as many thought it should or hoped it would. But Fox is considering a reboot of Daredevil and they site the apparent success of TiH as a testament that fans are willing to give studios another shot when movies underperform.
http://www.mania.com/fox-chief-talks-daredevil-reboot_article_110313.html
So that has to mean something positive for how people have perceived this installment of the Hulk.