No Redemption for 'Indy 4' Writer

[Kevin Roegele]

He is credited as writer because it was his basic story.

His basic story?

George Lucas created Indiana Jones, with help from Jim Steranko (yeah, that one) and Spielberg. It's non-sensical to decry him a talentless hack when there would be no classic trilogy in the first place without him.

 

[jimmylace]

uhhh...just in case no-one knows, darabont handed in his finsihed script like 2 years ago. Lucas wasn't happy with the third act, although recently the berg has said nothing of darabonts script remains. I guess that's what partnerships are like compromise.

Darabont is a great writer, but my guess is that the script didnt have enough action or was too slow.....seeing as darabont wrote for the indy tv show, which was pretty painful.

I still have high hopes for this movie, even if it is david koepp whos working on it now.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think the movie is ever going to be made. Good news for me!

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Why the hell does he have a beard... yet shave of the hair on his neck? WTF? He has the most disgusting, fat neck ever... he should cover it up or go on a diet!

He needs to CGI out his neck ass. George Lucas Special Edition.

 

[bluejake01]

His basic story?

George Lucas created Indiana Jones, with help from Jim Steranko (yeah, that one) and Spielberg. It's non-sensical to decry him a talentless hack when there would be no classic trilogy in the first place without him.

Way to put words in my mouth nutsack.

 

[thedeadite]

i like how people complain how lucus "ruined" the star wars saga with the prequels, but complain when he rejects a script for another Indy movie. All the same people would probably complain just as much if he approved a script that wasn't up to "their standards". Either way people complain...it's kinda funny actually.

 

[aaronx]

He needs to CGI out his neck ass. George Lucas Special Edition.

Definitely! If he can agree upon a story behind it.

 

[Jochimus]

I'm convinced Lucas keeps shooting down the script because they aren't providing enough characters with trademarkable names.

 

[FaT_tONle]

No, George Lucas is a hack.
Try and read this without vomiting:

Anakin: If you are suffering as much as I am, please tell me.
Padme: I can't... We can't... It's not possible.
Anakin: Anything is possible, Padme, listen to me.
Padme: No you listen! We live in a real world, come back to it. You're studying to become a Jedi, I'm... I'm a senator. If you follow your thoughts through to conclusion, it will take us to a place we cannot go, regardless of the way we feel about each other.
Anakin: Then you do feel something!
Padme: I will not let you give up your future for me.
Anakin: You're asking me to be rational. That is something that I know I cannot do. Believe me, I wish I could just wish away my feelings, but I can't.


BUT HE HAS A GODDAMN PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S SCRIPT?!

<-----------And what in the holy hell is the deal with that? The only conclusion I can come up with is that some sort of parasite is living in his throat causing him to think irrationally.

George Lucas,

I hope that one day some enraged fan beats you to death with a toy lightsaber and then they bury you in a Jar Jar Binks costume so you can rot in the filth of your own making for all of eternity.



Edit. This link proves Lucas has what I'm calling a "talent parasite" in his neck.
http://www.lanceandeskimo.com/paul/neck.shtml

That has got to be the funniest ****ing post I have ever read here

 

[Backdrifter]

Why assume this new draft MUST be good simply because Spielberg likes it? Spielberg also liked the scripts for 1941, Hook, and The Lost World.

Lucas just DOESN'T WANT INDY 4 to be made (and I agree with him). He's said many times he's only doing it because Spielberg and Ford are for it.

It's ridiculous how some people criticise Lucas and make out he shouldn't be involved with the series, when he's the co-creator of Indy in the first placeand as responsible for it's success as anyone.

Sure, Lucas wrote (with help) Episodes I-III, he also wrote Episodes IV-VI (with help).

This feels like you are just disagreeing just to disagree. Sure Spielberg has had some hams..but the majority of his work is been unbelievebly solid. Each of the Indy films, which he directed, are classics. Its pretty absurd that you just dismiss his opinion based on 3 of his mediocre films and stand behind Lucas since he is "the creator" of the series. Lucas created Star Wars, and he delievered us the awful awful prequel trilogy, the work of a man who has clearly lost touch with his own work. Lucas ONLY wrote Star Wars. For ROTJ and ESB he came up with the basic plot and left it other writers for the screenplay. I've read that a lot of his ideas were thrown out in the writing process for being flat out terrible.

Who's opinion should hold more validity? I say Spielberg and Darabont. I am you have to OUT of your MIND think Lucas is right in here. Just the fact that Spielberg says the script invokes the feel of Raiders is enough for any fan of Indy to get excited about.

I think someone got out of his straight jacket.

 

[The Chairman]

This feels like you are just disagreeing just to disagree. Sure Spielberg has had some hams..but the majority of his work is been unbelievebly solid. Each of the Indy films, which he directed, are classics. Its pretty absurd that you just dismiss his opinion based on 3 of his mediocre films and stand behind Lucas since he is "the creator" of the series. Lucas created Star Wars, and he delievered us the awful awful prequel trilogy, the work of a man who has clearly lost touch with his own work. Lucas ONLY wrote Star Wars. For ROTJ and ESB he came up with the basic plot and left it other writers for the screenplay. I've read that a lot of his ideas were thrown out in the writing process for being flat out terrible.

Who's opinion should hold more validity? I say Spielberg and Darabont. I am you have to OUT of your MIND think Lucas is right in here. Just the fact that Spielberg says the script invokes the feel of Raiders is enough for any fan of Indy to get excited about.

I think someone got out of his straight jacket.

I completely agree with you. Lucas has lost touch with his artistic spark. He lost touch with it a LONG time ago. For someone to side with him in this is completely absurd.

 

[Retroman]

Why assume this new draft MUST be good simply because Spielberg likes it? Spielberg also liked the scripts for 1941, Hook, and The Lost World.

Lucas just DOESN'T WANT INDY 4 to be made (and I agree with him). He's said many times he's only doing it because Spielberg and Ford are for it.

It's ridiculous how some people criticise Lucas and make out he shouldn't be involved with the series, when he's the co-creator of Indy in the first placeand as responsible for it's success as anyone.

Sure, Lucas wrote (with help) Episodes I-III, he also wrote Episodes IV-VI (with help).

I have tremendous respect for what Lucas has done for the film industry in the past. I mean this is the man who made Star Wars and Indiana Jones plus he's the driving force behind ILM, THX LTD etc. But i still would trust Steven Spielberg's opnion over his any day. He's a real living legend who still directs and produces great movies and tv shows.If Spielberg says the script is one of the best he's read then you've got to trust the man's opnion. 9 out of 10 people would and besides he's directing the freaking movie after all not Lucas.

 

[Retroman]

Heres the interview from Chud.com btw.

INDIANA JONES AND THE WASTED SCREENPLAY
11.06.06
By Devin Faraci

Hey, remember when I declared a moratorium on Indiana Jones IV stories? If so, you’ll remember I gave myself a little out, saying I would run a story if I got a quote directly from someone involved in the film. And now I have, so here’s an Indiana Jones IV story.

This evening I got on the phone with Frank Darabont to talk about next week’s special edition 2 disc set of The Green Mile. I made sure to ask him about his upcoming projects (look for that tomorrow), but I couldn’t help asking him about his participation in Indiana Jones IV. Darabont had spent a lot of time working on that script, which supposedly dealt with Indy investigating UFOs in the 50s, but his version was eventually scrapped. After that, Darabont announced he wouldn’t be working as a screenwriter anymore but would be directing full time. I had to get the inside scoop.

Q: How difficult is it when someone takes a script of yours and then never makes it? I’m thinking of the whole Indiana Jones thing.

Darabont: That was the most frustrating of all, and that was the straw that broke the back of me wanting to continue in that line of work. That was terrifically frustrating. I worked for over a year on that; I worked very close with Steven Spielberg. He was ecstatic with the result and was ready to shoot it two years ago. He was very, very happy with the script and said it was the best draft of anything since Raiders of the Lost Ark. That’s really high praise and gave me a real sense of accomplishment, especially when you love the material you’re working on as much as I love the Indiana Jones films.

And then you have George Lucas read it and say, ‘Yeah, I don’t think so, I don’t like it.’ And then he resets it to zero when Spielberg is ready to shoot it that coming year, [which] is a real kick to the nuts. You can only waste so much time and so many years of your life on experiences like that, you can only get so emotionally invested and have the rug pulled out from under you before you say enough of that.

Q: Coming from an insider’s perspective on that whole thing, do you think that movie’s ever going to happen?

Darabont: I don’t think so. I don’t think so. But that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong. I just think it’s fantastically bizarre that for a project that people have been trying to crack for ten years and have a writer come in and finally crack it and have a director who happens to be Steven Spielberg, one of the greatest directors of all time, and then say, ‘No, I don’t think so…’ It’s just bizarre to me. I can’t get into George’s head.

Tomorrow look for more info on The Mist and Fahrenheit 451. The full interview will run next week.

Source: http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=7971

 

[BloodyWolverine]

I thaught the guy who wrote Spiderman And Spiderman 2 writer was doing a touch up on Indy 4. I believe it was David Koepp. Steve has used him alot on touch up scripts. The last i heard from lucas he said theyw ere very close to a script all liked. This guys sound like he can't stand critisium that much.

 

[Backdrifter]

I thaught the guy who wrote Spiderman And Spidemran 2 writer was doinga touch up on Indy 4. I believe it was David Koepp. Steve has used him alot on touch up scripts. The last i heard from lucas he said theyw ere very close to a script all liked. This guys sound like he can't stand critisium that much.

And how did you come to that conclusion? He flat out stated what happened. Spielberg, who he regards as one of the greatest directors of all time, said he loved the script and thought it was the best thing since Raiders of the Lost Ark and then Lucas, a self absorbed hack, comes along and says "No." Sounds like he is pretty damn justified at being a little upset. Have you ever written a script? Have you ever invested a year in piece of work, pouring your heart into the writing, working on film series that you love? I highly doubt you have ever done anything like this. I would guess, based on what Darabont is saying, that he and Spielberg worked closely on the script with very little input from Lucas. Im sure Georgie-boy didn't like the fact that he didnt have a hand in the story and, being the official owner of Indy, threw the script out. Lucas has become lost in the out-of-control wild fire that is his ego.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I thaught the guy who wrote Spiderman And Spiderman 2 writer was doing a touch up on Indy 4. I believe it was David Koepp. Steve has used him alot on touch up scripts. The last i heard from lucas he said theyw ere very close to a script all liked. This guys sound like he can't stand critisium that much.

Koepp wrote scripts for both Spidey movies, but only the first one was used.

 

[livrule]

And how did you come to that conclusion? He flat out stated what happened. Spielberg, who he regards as one of the greatest directors of all time, said he loved the script and thought it was the best thing since Raiders of the Lost Ark and then Lucas, a self absorbed hack, comes along and says "No." Sounds like he is pretty damn justified at being a little upset. Have you ever written a script? Have you ever invested a year in piece of work, pouring your heart into the writing, working on film series that you love? I highly doubt you have ever done anything like this. I would guess, based on what Darabont is saying, that he and Spielberg worked closely on the script with very little input from Lucas. Im sure Georgie-boy didn't like the fact that he didnt have a hand in the story and, being the official owner of Indy, threw the script out. Lucas has become lost in the out-of-control wild fire that is his ego.

Well said.

 

[The Kid]

I'm actually glad. I don't want to see old geezer Indy. Oh, but aww that's terrible how his hard work was shot down like that. Damn you, George.

 

[SoulManX]

And how did you come to that conclusion? He flat out stated what happened. Spielberg, who he regards as one of the greatest directors of all time, said he loved the script and thought it was the best thing since Raiders of the Lost Ark and then Lucas, a self absorbed hack, comes along and says "No." Sounds like he is pretty damn justified at being a little upset. Have you ever written a script? Have you ever invested a year in piece of work, pouring your heart into the writing, working on film series that you love? I highly doubt you have ever done anything like this. I would guess, based on what Darabont is saying, that he and Spielberg worked closely on the script with very little input from Lucas. Im sure Georgie-boy didn't like the fact that he didnt have a hand in the story and, being the official owner of Indy, threw the script out. Lucas has become lost in the out-of-control wild fire that is his ego.

I agree as well.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

I heard about Koepp a while back being braught in to help on some touch up work on Indy by request of Steven Speilberg. I am so hope Peter Jackson deosn't take any Lucas notes about Georges god complex. I see Peter Jackson as a future fantasy film maker and will likely open his own studio like Lucas. I just hope he doesn't become a Lucas Jabba The Hutt.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I heard about Koepp a while back being braught in to help on some touch up work on Indy by request of Steven Speilberg. I am so hope Peter Jackson deosn't take any Lucas notes about Georges god complex. I see Peter Jackson as a future fantasy film maker and will likely open his own studio like Lucas. I just hope he doesn't become a Lucas Jabba The Hutt.

Lucas opened his own studio because of the insane riches he's gained from keeping the rights to Star Wars. Thus he has his own empire with Skywalker Sound, Industrial Light and Magic, and so on and so forth. Jackson is a rich man, but has no way near Lucas' money - Lucas is a billionaire according to Forbes.

 

[Tojo]

sorry but i trust Darabont and spielberg a hell of alot more than Lucas. It is clear from his work on the prequels he doesn't have a clue. I mean, he REALLY does not have a clue on what a good, even decent script consists of. The prequels had some of the worst dialogue on any film i've seen...

If he is holding indy 4 back, i want to know why. Oh yeah he created it, so what? I bet he wants to write himself.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Lucas should just get out of the way and let Steve and Harrison handle this for he is being to much of a big baby. I mean he has had mnay years to come up witha script and still doesn't want to. Heck if its up to him we will see Mummy 3 and Jurassic Park 4 long before Lucas is ready to do Indy 4. I mean Stallone is doing Rocky and Rambo sequels for christ sake.

There is some confusion on places as who is writing the screen play for Indy 4. For Yahoo movies has it as Frank Dabaront but IMDB and comingsoon.com has teh writing screen play writer as David Koepp. So my wondering is how old is this bit of news and does anyone know who the writer is for sure currently.

 

[xwolverine2]

 

[GoldGoblin]

They may make it into an animation movie if they keep waiting.