The Dark Knight Nolan needs more imagination.

[sasquatchs]

I don't get why so many people think BB was realistic. It wasn't, in any way.

Okay, so Nolan explained how some things worked....that was pretty much it.

I mean, we had a microwave emitter that vaporizes water, but somehow doesn't vaporize the water in humans?

A secret organization that's in the buisness of destroying entire cities? Batman one-arm curling a man? A dude in a Batman costume gliding around a city? A high intense car chase (with a car that can jump onto roofs) and many crashes where miraculously no police officer is killed? An entire city enveloped in a synthesized fear gas?

None of that is realistic. Nolan only made Batman appear semi realistic, but that movie was in no way realistic.

The emitter does make sense, it was aimed at the water pipe, so it wouldn't fry anybody.

But yea, there's alot in Begins that could happen, but never would because its too fantastical. And then there's the things that crossover like his cape, the fact that they're explained makes it feel more real. Its good that he's doing that, gets rid of the crap that makes no sense. Its nowhere near as gritty a film as I was expecting though

 

[Cyrusbales]

The emitter does make sense, it was aimed at the water pipe, so it wouldn't fry anybody.

Erm....we've been through this millions of time on BB threads, because he called it a 'microwave' it doesn't actually work that way, because that's now how microwaving works. It's a plothole that is well recognised. It doesn't make sense, it's ridiculous!

Whether or not it bugs you or not, it's a glaringly large error.

 

[Agentsands77]

There was nothing realistic about SM:TM. That film and the SM films are bed mates. Both those films are a classic case of films not trying to be more than they were intended to be; comicbook fantasy films.

I was referring to the natural of creating an artificial visual world for the hero to inhabit. In that way, SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE and BATMAN BEGINS are very similar - their cities are not artificial. Metropolis is clearly based on a real city, rather than the city-of-the-future look it gets in the comics sometimes, and Gotham is a sprawling Metropolis, not unlike New York.

Both films were trying to be more than they were intended.

How so, with BATMAN BEGINS?

Singer totally took the J out of joy with his X-films. He took one of the greatest comicbooks, with some of the greatest characters and stories and wasted them all on an ego trip.

I never particularly liked the X-men comics, but I dug the films (Singer's not the best director in the world, but on the whole, I liked his take on the X-men).

 

[sasquatchs]

Depends how much you're bothered by microwaves not going through pipes etc, makes quite good movie sense. If you scrutinise the film too deeply almost everything will fall apart.

Really hoping they don't do such a cheesy 3rd act this time, it was all pretty poor looking back. Really disappointing how conventional it was

 

[Agentsands77]

Really hoping they don't do such a cheesy 3rd act this time, it was all pretty poor looking back. Really disappointing how conventional it was

They could certainly have done a lot more with it. The movie was so interesting up until that point, and there was a lot of interesting stuff happening (heck, the entire Narrows was flooded in fear gas - that's a great turn), but it ultimately went the very safe, "generic action movie" route rather than giving us something really special.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Depends how much you're bothered by microwaves not going through pipes etc, makes quite good movie sense. If you scrutinise the film too deeply almost everything will fall apart.

Really hoping they don't do such a cheesy 3rd act this time, it was all pretty poor looking back. Really disappointing how conventional it was

How exactly? It's lost on me, how a world based on the laws of physics(generally) can make such a big error. Put metal in a microwave. Try it.

 

[sasquatchs]

The same way we're expected to buy the cape supporting Batman in flight. When the 3rd act is that outlandish the microwave was the least of the films problems. Maybe it was a thin plastic pipe

 

[Cyrusbales]

The same way we're expected to buy the cape supporting Batman in flight. When the 3rd act is that outlandish the microwave was the least of the films problems. Maybe it was a thin plastic pipe

put plastic in a microwave......

At least they had a flimsy excuse for the cape, it was ok when it made him just fall slower, when he almost flies, it's a little off. But the microwave really gets to me! They make no attempt to cover their arses and just really bug me and make themselves loook even sillier than this debacle had already made them look!

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

put plastic in a microwave......

At least they had a flimsy excuse for the cape, it was ok when it made him just fall slower, when he almost flies, it's a little off. But the microwave really gets to me! They make no attempt to cover their arses and just really bug me and make themselves loook even sillier than this debacle had already made them look!

They didn't need to cover themselves anymore than they did in their explanation that "it uses focused waves to vaporize the enemy's water supply." Do I know what that would possibly entail in "real life"? No. Do I care? No. It's no different than any other doomsday device in any other action movie.

One line of exposition is all you need in a movie like this, and all you can afford. There's no time to waste to show fake schematics and more fake science b.s. It is what it is.

Is it silly when you really think about it, after watching it 18 times? Sure. Is it too silly where I'd cut it and in the process lose a pretty exciting final confrontation? No.

In fact, fake science or not, it's a pretty clever way of explaining how a terrorist could sneak an airborne toxin into an entire city. Much more clever than enormous balloons and floats simply allowed by police to go down the street, piloted by a known mass murderer (though even that I accept because it leads to a fun, exciting climax).

 

[Cyrusbales]

They didn't need to cover themselves anymore than they did in their explanation that "it uses focused waves to vaporize the enemy's water supply." Do I know what that would possibly entail in "real life"? No. Do I care? No. It's no different than any other doomsday device in any other action movie.

One line of exposition is all you need in a movie like this, and all you can afford. There's no time to waste to show fake schematics and more fake science b.s. It is what it is.

Is it silly when you really think about it, after watching it 18 times? Sure. Is it too silly where I'd cut it and in the process lose a pretty exciting final confrontation? No.

In fact, fake science or not, it's a pretty clever way of explaining how a terrorist could sneak an airborne toxin into an entire city. Much more clever than enormous balloons and floats simply allowed by police to go down the street, piloted by a known mass murderer (though even that I accept because it leads to a fun, exciting climax).

If they had said something other than microwaves, then yeah, I would have been able to suspend disbelief, which cis what a piece of fiction should do, but when you feel like your watching it, rather than actually in the world, then it's pretty shameful.

Exicitng climax? Where?

 

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah, the 3rd act did not stand well.

 

[El Payaso]

Batman is a fully trained warrior,Scarecrow by nature is a cowardly ***** who preys on the weak with his gas

Ugh, let's say Bats has a pee. Warrior needs to pee right? How about that fore a human approach of Batman.

The difference is, Bruce actually trained to become a badass. His fighting skills are real, not psychological manipulation The psychological manipulation is to be perceived as more than a man, but still a strong man. He´s still not the same character as Scarecrow.

Scarecrow is MEANT to be physically fragile. Has always been. Bruce Wayne is buff, Jonathan Crane is skinny. That´s part of his psychosis, a compensation for his physical fragility. Being physically humiliated is the most fitting punishment. Seriously, put the two in the same league is a gross misinterpretation.

Well, I just put Nolan/Goyer in that league that sometimes makes a point in a ridiculous and laughable (when it's not supposed to be) way. Scarecrow can be a fake, but don't make cheap comedy in a climatic moment.

 

[explode7]

Especially when he got ridiculously defeated by a taser.

 

[Agentsands77]

If they had said something other than microwaves, then yeah, I would have been able to suspend disbelief, which cis what a piece of fiction should do, but when you feel like your watching it, rather than actually in the world, then it's pretty shameful.

Well, I honestly doubt it crossed 90% of the audience's mind, and really only occurs to a person who's fairly science educated. It doesn't really make sense, but I can more than suspend disbelief for that. It's no harder to accept than the other things I have to suspend disbelief for in BATMAN BEGINS.

 

[explode7]

^Exactly.

 

[Rynan]

Especially when he got ridiculously defeated by a taser.

Hey, I support the taser end. Johnathan Crane was a egotistical ass in the movie, absorbed in his own superiority to Batman, law enforcement, Falcone and his inmates. And then, when he's at the hight of his power, he gets his ass handed to him by a taser to the face. I loved it. It was made even sweeter when his horse galloped away with him screaming like a little girl.

I kinda wish more villains would go out like that.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Hey, I support the taser end. Johnathan Crane was a egotistical ass in the movie, absorbed in his own superiority to Batman, law enforcement, Falcone and his inmates. And then, when he's at the hight of his power, he gets his ass handed to him by a taser to the face. I loved it. It was made even sweeter when his horse galloped away with him screaming like a little girl.

I kinda wish more villains would go out like that.

 

[El Payaso]

Hey, I support the taser end. Johnathan Crane was a egotistical ass in the movie, absorbed in his own superiority to Batman, law enforcement, Falcone and his inmates. And then, when he's at the hight of his power, he gets his ass handed to him by a taser to the face. I loved it. It was made even sweeter when his horse galloped away with him screaming like a little girl.

It was much better whn Batman himself gassed him. It had the same objective than you say. But in a serious and respectful way for the character.

I kinda wish more villains would go out like that.

Yes, Joker can be defeated by the red t-shirt boy. Let's say he trips him and that's the end of the greatest Batman foe. Who needs the bat when you have secondary lame characters?

 

[Agentsands77]

Yes, Joker can be defeated by the red t-shirt boy. Let's say he trips him and that's the end of the greatest Batman foe.

To play devil's advocate, I suppose the argument goes that it works thematically for the Scarecrow. It wouldn't work thematically for the Joker or Batman.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ugh, let's say Bats has a pee. Warrior needs to pee right? How about that fore a human approach of Batman.

Then he pees himself and keeps fighting obviously

 

[El Payaso]

To play devil's advocate, I suppose the argument goes that it works thematically for the Scarecrow. It wouldn't work thematically for the Joker or Batman.

As I said, Batman gassing Crane back works the same and in a serious and respecftful tone. Not halfway into cheap last minute comedy.

Then he pees himself and keeps fighting obviously

Don't let Goyer know about you idea.

 

[Agentsands77]

Not halfway into cheap last minute comedy.

To be honest, I've never found the moment comic, and neither has anyone I've watched the moment with.

 

[El Payaso]

To be honest, I've never found the moment comic

Neither have I. I just saw the comic intentions of the scene. The results were rather deplorable.

and neither has anyone I've watched the moment with.

Let's just talk for ourselves. It's too easy to go on massive interpretations of what other people could have felt. I could say I heard several laughs when I saw the movie at the theater in that moment. I mean... 'SCARECROOOOOWWW!!! nay ayyy nayyyyyyy ayyyy'

 

[Hunter Rider]

Don't let Goyer know about you idea.

Likewise bro

 

[Agentsands77]

Neither have I. I just saw the comic intentions of the scene.

I don't think the scene was intended comedically, for that matter.