Odinforce Thor vs. Mark L Iron Man

[Playco Armboy]

Argument for Thor:
- Thor's durability should be heightened in this form, where in his base state he could already endure the energy of a neutron star
- His ranged lightning attacks that can attack from multiple directions as per Hela's army are capable of stunning Hulk, as can his lightning-empowered punches
- He also kept up with Hela considerably better than his base state to the point where he could land individual hits that were clearly felt, albeit with insufficient net damage
- When charging an Asgardian blade with lightning, he can even pierce the Bifrost in contrast to when he first battled Loki in the first Thor film - he couldn't even dent it with a swing from Mjolnir

Argument for Iron Man:
- Tanks a swing unscratched from Cull Obsidian's blade, which was capable of almost completely severing the Hulkbuster's arm (who is comparable to Age of Ultron Hulk)
- Tanks seven hits from Thanos directly to the face (two being blocked) before Tony's face appeared visibly from inside the helmet. Comparatively, Hulk endured nine hits from Thanos to the noggin before being knocked out.
- Tony's shield in this armor can endure a blast from the Power Stone for a few seconds
- Tony's armor can withstand meteorites to the back and a direct blast from the Power Stone to the chest, and can regenerate
- Can scratch Thanos with arm weapons. Thor did not inflict a single wound on Thanos during their scuffle despite Thanos having even fewer weapons at his disposal, but the latter did have his armor equipped at the time and it's possible (though unlikely) that the Black Order assisted in Thor's defeat.

The way I see it, these two actually have pretty comparable durability. If the Mark L is capable of enduring a similar number of hits from Thanos as Hulk plus that Power Stone burst directly to the gut, but with regeneration to compensate, his and Thor's physical parameters should be fairly similar if not in favor of Tony. Iron Man has more versatility, but is potentially more lethal in close-quarters with those arm cannons. Those blades would be an issue for Thor, seeing as they easily gutted the Mark L itself. Playing long-range is obviously a losing game for the God of Thunder.

I give it to Iron Man 6.5/10.

 

[Docker2.0]

Thor and I'm pretty sure it won't be 6/10 either.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I'm fairly certain regular Thor would beat him. And IM enduring hits means v little when both BP and no armour/suit Cap managed the same thing. Thanos doesn't always use full strength.

 

[jolldan]

Iron Man's is awesome but I think there is little he can do here against Thor.

 

[Docker2.0]

It would be interesting if this had a poll just to show just how bad Tony is going to get beat.

 

[Thör-El]

The way I see it:
Stormbreaker Thor > Ragnarok Thor > Thor with Mjolnir > Thor (no Mjolnir, no lightning) > Hulkbuster = Nanotech Iron Man > Regular Iron Man > Thor (depowered by Odin) > Tony Stark (no suit)

I don't think any attack we've seen from any version of Iron Man is going to overcome Thor's ridiculously high durability and I don't think any version of Iron Man's armour is tough enough for a no holds barred fight with a God.

The more powerful versions of Thor would win the second he stops holding back. Thor with no Mjolnir and no lightning might be a stalemate if Tony stays in the air and keeps his distance but that would be out of character for him.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Agreed.

 

[Playco Armboy]

I'm fairly certain regular Thor would beat him. And IM enduring hits means v little when both BP and no armour/suit Cap managed the same thing. Thanos doesn't always use full strength.

Thanos was 100% going full tilt against Tony. He was taking him way more seriously than vs. Hulk, where he was positively grinning in enjoyment of the fight.

Iron Man's is awesome but I think there is little he can do here against Thor.

It would be interesting if this had a poll just to show just how bad Tony is going to get beat.

You guys are welcome to provide concrete counterarguments if you want, such is the purpose of discussion. Right now, I'm getting a lot of "Thor beats Tony's ass" but no logical reasoning or empirical support for said premise.

Tony has better durability feats, better offensive feats, more range and versatility. How exactly does the God of Thunder win by such a huge margin as you suggest?

 

[Playco Armboy]

The way I see it:
Stormbreaker Thor > Ragnarok Thor > Thor with Mjolnir > Thor (no Mjolnir, no lightning) > Hulkbuster > Nanotech Iron Man > Regular Iron Man > Depowered Thor > Tony Stark

???

Hulkbuster got his arm sliced almost clean off by Cull Obsidian; Mark L Tony took that same swing with no visual signs of damage.

Hulkbuster threw punches at Cull which barely fazed him; Tony's left hook in the Mark L visibly dazed Cull, who had to shake his head to refocus from the blow.

And to suggest Hulkbuster is inferior to an unarmed, lightningless Thor is questionable. Hulkbuster put up a significantly better fight against an enraged Hulk than did Thor.

 

[Thör-El]

Hulkbuster has impressive strength but was getting repeatedly torn apart by a confused Hulk, couldn't ragdoll him and knocked him out with a sucker punch when he was already calming down.

Thor (no hammer, no lightning) went up against Gladiator Hulk, was clearly holding back and trying to talk to Hulk at first, massively outclassed Hulk in speed and skill whilst having the strength to hurt/ragdoll Hulk, started to get pummeled when Hulk became enraged but came out of the fight without a scratch because he's too durable for Hulk (or Iron Man) to hurt.

As for Hulkbuster vs Nanotech armour, one's far stronger and beat Cull and had a good showing against Hulk (then won with a sucker punch). The other's faster, more versatile and maybe more durable, had a good showing against Thanos but had to be saved from Cull by Spider-Man/Wong. I think they're about even, depending on the situation.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Iron Man has not had a better durability feat than enduring a neutron star. As the poster above mentioned, he needed help combating Cull during the NY fight so I disagree that he has better offensive feats.

 

[Thör-El]

It's not just durability, if you take a look at his respect thread MCU Thor's strength/striking power/lightning feats are all out of Iron Man's league. The only area where I can see it being a competition is speed but we're talking about a fight, not a race.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=541747

It's hard to imagine that a fight between Ragnarok Thor (or regular Thor with Mjolnir) and Iron Man would even be close unless Thor held back. Like I said above, Thor with no Mjolnir and no lightning vs Iron Man might be a stalemate if Tony stays in the air and keeps his distance but that would be out of character for him.

 

[Thör-El]

Long story short I think this would go down exactly the same way it went down in the comics:

 

[BigThor]

Odinforce Thor doesn't exist in the MCU.

 

[Creo]

I don't think Thanos was going full tilt against Iron Man, he was just having fun because he enjoys the fight. I don't see Tony living through a punch that can destroy a planet (based off of GotG assessment of the stone).

Thor takes the full blast of a neutron star and lives.

Thor fights and wins against much not difficult bad guys.

It's not even really a contest.

 

[HammerDown]

Odinforce Thor doesn't exist in the MCU.

This.

IW Thor with Stormbreaker would toast Bleeding Edge IM.

 

[Thör-El]

Odinforce Thor doesn't exist in the MCU.

Sure and neither does the Odinforce itself. Thor's powers are his own, he just becomes far more powerful by mastering them in Ragnarok.

Between the Odin dying/Thor becoming King arc and Thor becoming way more powerful I can see the parallels with Odinforce Thor from the comics though.

 

[BigThor]

This.

IW Thor with Stormbreaker would toast Bleeding Edge IM.

Thor would one shot him, Bleeding Edge Iron Man was being battered by Cull Obsidian even with Spider-Man's help.

 

[Thör-El]

Thor would one shot him, Bleeding Edge Iron Man was being battered by Cull Obsidian even with Spider-Man's help.

He was already the most powerful Avenger but with Stormbreaker in hand he's become the superman of the MCU.

Stormbreaker Thor vs Vision, Hulk, Scarlet Witch and Bleeding Edge Iron Man would be a good tag team fight.

 

[HammerDown]

He was already the most powerful Avenger but with Stormbreaker in hand he's become the superman of the MCU.

Stormbreaker Thor vs Vision, Hulk, Scarlet Witch and Bleeding Edge Iron Man would be a good tag team fight.

That's just ridiculous. Come on man.

 

[Thör-El]

That's just ridiculous. Come on man.

Is it though?

He's taken an enraged Hulk's hits without a scratch, shrugged off stab wounds from Hela, survived an explosion that disintegrated a city, power stone torture to the face and the full force of a neutron star. I'm not sure Vision/Iron Man/Scarlet have attacks that would hurt him either.

On the flipside
#1) Ragnarok showed us Thor's faster/more skilled than Hulk and once he unlocked his powers he was ragdolling/stunning Hulk with just a couple of lightning punches.
#2) Civil War showed us Vision's weak to Hawkeye's electricity arrows and we know Thor can cloak himself in lightning to take on armies or target it to disintegrate Asgardian berserkers and shoot down Chitauri leviathans.
Infinity War also reminded us that Vision's vibranium durability has limits.
#3) Scarlet Witch's telekinesis can probably throw Thor around and her shields could keep her safe but not indefinitely and ultimately she's a glass cannon.
#4) Everyone in this thread seems to agree Thor's strength/durability/lightning put him way above Iron Man. I agree with BigThor that Iron Man's out of his league and gets one shotted.

And everything I said above, that's all before he got a weapon that can amp his healing factor, summon the bifrost, overpower a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet and near enough one shot Thanos.

Thor's a tier above any of the other Avengers heavy hitters right now and his lightning/axe are ideal for taking on more than one enemy at a time. Giving them the chance to gang up on him would make it an interesting fight.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I think that's far too many powerful opponents to deal with.

 

[HammerDown]

1 on 1 IW Thor is able to deal with them. But 4 vs 1 is just insanity.

No doubt that IW Thor is more powerful than Ragnarok Thor mostly because of the "Stormbreaker upgrade" that gives him a few of powerful abilities but still those 4 are way too much for Thor to handle at once. Let's not exaggerate.

 

[BigThor]

Well........... to be fair, Stormbreaker could one shot all of those characters with a clean blow.

Obiviously the fight may not play out like that (sneak attacks etc.), but as extreme as it sounds he does have a shot.

 

[Thör-El]

I think Stormbreaker Thor against any of Hulk/Vision/Iron Man/Scarlet Witch one on one is a 10/10 win for Thor.

The question is how big of a numbers advantage they'd need to be able to blindside Thor, knock him out of the air and get close despite his lightning cloak. They'd need to keep Thor off balance enough not to one shot them and somehow hurt him despite his ridiculously high durability (I don't think anything Hulk/Iron Man are capable of would be enough, maybe Vision's phasing attacks or Scarlet Witch's telepathy have a chance).