Official 2011 MLB Thread

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Decline is relative to the player. Look at Ichiro, look at a super athlete like Crawford, you figure they will age well defensively barring any injuries. Beltre you never know. Statistically, they haven't figured out the affects of aging just yet.
 
I'd be irked too if I was a clear HOFer but got an unfair rep for not winning enough games or something crazy.

Im not saying he can't be irked, but when it comes to things like the Hall of Fame, have the good sense to not complain publicly

doesn't help your case any...you just smile, say its an honor to be considered, and go on with your day
 
Writers and fans complain publicly, but the players themselves can't?
 
Hey Everybody! After my 2 months off rehabing from the World Series loss I'm back! But besides all that I really don't know what to think of this Beltre deal. As KingFish said earlier it really doesnt help the Rangers weaknesses and honestly I'm kind of cringing at the thought of Young assuming a DH/utility role, as a fan I guess I have to hope it works out and proves me wrong. My immediate thought is that Daniels didnt wanna go away from the offseason empty handed so he gave star-esque money to only a "solid" player if that makes sense. It also worries me the contract they gave him I mean who would you rather spend your money on re-signing Hamilton, Cruz, and Andrus or seeing Beltre (if he stays healthy) at the hot corner for the next 6 years..as you can see I'm a little frustrated..
 
Hey Everybody! After my 2 months off rehabing from the World Series loss I'm back! But besides all that I really don't know what to think of this Beltre deal. As KingFish said earlier it really doesnt help the Rangers weaknesses and honestly I'm kind of cringing at the thought of Young assuming a DH/utility role, as a fan I guess I have to hope it works out and proves me wrong. My immediate thought is that Daniels didnt wanna go away from the offseason empty handed so he gave star-esque money to only a "solid" player if that makes sense. It also worries me the contract they gave him I mean who would you rather spend your money on re-signing Hamilton, Cruz, and Andrus or seeing Beltre (if he stays healthy) at the hot corner for the next 6 years..as you can see I'm a little frustrated..
 
Writers and fans complain publicly, but the players themselves can't?
I think it's one of those the less the player says the better like BL said. "It's an honor to be on the ballot." Call it bias but a player, or anyone up for any award toots their own horn, it comes off as arrogant whether it's true or not.
 
I think it's one of those the less the player says the better like BL said. "It's an honor to be on the ballot." Call it bias but a player, or anyone up for any award toots their own horn, it comes off as arrogant whether it's true or not.

exactly

its part of the reason Cris Carter isn't in the NFL hall of fame yet
 
Cris Carter is who I was thinking of.
 
You guys really think so? NFL Hall of Fame will elect anyone worthy regardless of personality qualms.
 
then why isn't Cris Carter in yet??

the HOF voters are people, and in being a HOF voter, it tends to give people this inflated sense of self worth...they see their HOF vote as something sacred and not to be bestowed upon those who do not show humility

honestly, I think Blyleven got in just to get him to shut up about it
 
The voting criteria is different for each voter anyway. I'd rather have sane, rational arguments for each vote other than just Heyman's garbage "You just had to be there" argument for Jack Morris.
 
and he hasn't helped his case any by pouting about it in subsequent years
 
Yeah Carter has been passed over 3 times which is nothing when compared to Blvleven of what 14 years? But I remember the first year Carter was passed over and during Inside the NFL Collinsworth expressed his disappointment to Carter and yeah no humility whatsoever, more along the lines of indignant and bitter.

Think he will make it in this year though. I don't think there are any other new WR's eligible that would be over him.
 
A lot of these guys this is all they have to hold on to. It's their legacy, their career, they want to be recognized and deservedly so. Carter probably isn't the easiest guy to get along with, his pretty brash with his opinions on ESPN.
 
at a guess, since Carter doesn't have a SB ring, thats probably 100 percent accurate...Id also say that if he had won a SB, he'd be in already
 
This is the MLB thread. Stop talking about football.
 
sorry....its the off season so its bound to get weird in here on occasion
 
Look at Spidey Bat, thinks he has the power to dictate conversation.
 
Here's the ballot mailed in by Barry Stanton, ESPN news editor: Jack Morris, Edgar Martinez, Tino Martinez, Don Mattingly, B.J. Surhoff. I **** you not. B.J. Surhoff.

OK, a vote for Donnie Baseball is one thing (there's a generation of New York sportswriters who still have to adjust their khakis whenever Mattingly's name comes up); a vote for Tino is quite another. And a vote for both of them plus B.J. Surhoff — B.J. Surhoff — suggests we're in the presence of true madness.

And you know what? I love this ballot. There is wonderful bughouse comedy to this ballot. This is a ballot that eats crayons. I look at this ballot, and I hear tuba music. It is a great big shrieking monkey cage of a ballot, and I love it because that is exactly what the Hall of Fame deserves. We're talking about a hugely self-important institution populated by drunks and bigots and flakes and syphilitic halfwits that regularly goes through a massive, public spasm of pretending it's a priesthood. (America already has one of those institutions, anyway. It's called the Kennedys.)
So I'll just say it: I hate the Hall of Fame, and I hate its voting, and I hate that it makes otherwise reasonable sportswriters say stuff like this —
Somebody said we are not the morality police, but yet I think we are. If we aren't, who is? Part of our job is that we are custodians of the game's history.
— and for that matter I hate that it's given reporters like Michael S. Schmidt, who isn't a journalist so much as a piss cup with a notebook, an annual opportunity to smarm about steroids, and beyond that I hate that the selection process is such an exercise in consecrating press-box fatheadedness that I'm not sure why they don't just conduct the vote via Around the Horn. An outfit like that has richly earned Barry Stanton and his crayons.

Deadspin.com
 
Hey Everybody! After my 2 months off rehabing from the World Series loss I'm back! But besides all that I really don't know what to think of this Beltre deal. As KingFish said earlier it really doesnt help the Rangers weaknesses and honestly I'm kind of cringing at the thought of Young assuming a DH/utility role, as a fan I guess I have to hope it works out and proves me wrong. My immediate thought is that Daniels didnt wanna go away from the offseason empty handed so he gave star-esque money to only a "solid" player if that makes sense. It also worries me the contract they gave him I mean who would you rather spend your money on re-signing Hamilton, Cruz, and Andrus or seeing Beltre (if he stays healthy) at the hot corner for the next 6 years..as you can see I'm a little frustrated..

I think you're exactly right about that. This was a "spend money just to spend money" deal. It might make some of the new casual or bandwagon fans they have happy, but what if it ends up costing them Hamilton?
 
Haha mwrfan made such an impact I haven't the slightest clue as to who he is around here.
 
I don't see Hamilton going anywhere....he's still an addict, he's admitted to it and has built an established support system for himself in Texas....if he goes to a new team, the chances of him falling off the wagon skyrocket
 
I don't see Hamilton going anywhere....he's still an addict, he's admitted to it and has built an established support system for himself in Texas....if he goes to a new team, the chances of him falling off the wagon skyrocket

Which will mean precisely diddly when the Yankees offer him 50 million dollars more than the Rangers.
 
I don't agree....this guy scraped the absolute bottom of the barrel in life, it's a place very few people have been and it tends to change your perspective

he may leave the Rangers, but I don't see him going to the Yankees....the big F*** You Cliff Lee gave to them just recently has taken some of the mystique away
 
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