Comics Official ASTONISHING X-MEN Discussion Thread

[mightiest_mortal]

But modern Kitty did kick modern Emma's ass.

You can't really say that, I think it was pretty obvious from the issue that Emmas wasn't really trying to stop her at all. If not its the most ridiculous case of favouritism in fights thats been seen in a long time. This isn't because i like Emma and want to defend her, but in all reality Emma put up no struggle at all. The only attack she even made was trying to grapple +strangle Kitty.. which is probably the most inefective attack you can make against someone who can become intangible.
Emma is a very powerful telepath. Shes even been in Storms head before, who is supposedly immune to telepathy. She had plenty of oppurtunity to stop Kitty. She could sense her through the Mirror, she could easily have stopped her then.
When she had her head in the rock and Kitty says "You get in my head the rock gets in yours" If Kitty is tangiable or not at this point it is clear that she believes that Emma could still use her telepathy on her. The idea that Kitty would even notice Emma in her head is pretty laughable, not to mention thinking that Emma wouldn't be able to simply stop her from unphasing if she chose to. She doesn't even try though, as she knows that Kitty wouldn't have the guts to do it if she wanted to. You'l note that, even though Emma at no point believes that her life is in any actual danger, she still tells Kitty all she wants to know and all about the new Hellfire club regardless.
Also, when Kitty leaves Emma down there, Emma makes no attempt to stop her with her powers. Her Telepathy doesn't work through rocks now? If Emma really wanted to take out Kitty or to retaliate she would have just entered her mind while she was phasing out of there, or as soon as she rephased back in the mansion. It wouldn't be hard at all for her.
Even though Kitty believes she has won against her, it is Emma that is in complete control of this situation and she is using Kitty to help herself.



(also.. has Kitty actuaally been able to just phase parts of herself before? or it that just bad editing?)

 

[Manic]

Who says Emma hasn't been using her telepathy on Kitty since she left her underground? I say Kitty's confrontation with Perfection is in her head, as projected by Emma... who is going bat**** crazy.

 

[bengan]

September 20... it's really easy to search on the Marvel.com site, you know.

Oh sorry, Im from sweden so I relaly dont get the internet and then I have to milk the goat every 30 minute. Pain in the a ss.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Pain in the a ss.

You should try milking it with your hands instead then Hehehehe

 

[OutcryX]

Oh sorry, Im from sweden so I relaly dont get the internet and then I have to milk the goat every 30 minute. Pain in the a ss.

yeah...the milk from those male goats is always bitter and salty.

 

[Bastila]

Who says Emma hasn't been using her telepathy on Kitty since she left her underground? I say Kitty's confrontation with Perfection is in her head, as projected by Emma... who is going bat**** crazy.

Ahh but Emma did say '' You can turn my brian to slate --which you wont.''

So she can use it, and before kitty can hurt her, Emma would have hurt Kitty, but shes just playing with her really.

 

[Darkdd]

This is Emma's whole plan.

 

[Exploding Boy]

If I was Emma, I would find a good ass kicking refreshing.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

So I got #16. I loved how Kitty punched Emma. lol badass.

 

[triplefive]

I don't think Emma really likes what the HC is up to... she really didn't fight Kitty back.

 

[mad_harleyq]

where were all these people when i was up against all the kitty lovers jk

 

[Galact-Gal]

You can't really say that, I think it was pretty obvious from the issue that Emmas wasn't really trying to stop her at all. If not its the most ridiculous case of favouritism in fights thats been seen in a long time. This isn't because i like Emma and want to defend her, but in all reality Emma put up no struggle at all. The only attack she even made was trying to grapple +strangle Kitty.. which is probably the most inefective attack you can make against someone who can become intangible.
Emma is a very powerful telepath. Shes even been in Storms head before, who is supposedly immune to telepathy. She had plenty of oppurtunity to stop Kitty. She could sense her through the Mirror, she could easily have stopped her then.
When she had her head in the rock and Kitty says "You get in my head the rock gets in yours" If Kitty is tangiable or not at this point it is clear that she believes that Emma could still use her telepathy on her. The idea that Kitty would even notice Emma in her head is pretty laughable, not to mention thinking that Emma wouldn't be able to simply stop her from unphasing if she chose to. She doesn't even try though, as she knows that Kitty wouldn't have the guts to do it if she wanted to. You'l note that, even though Emma at no point believes that her life is in any actual danger, she still tells Kitty all she wants to know and all about the new Hellfire club regardless.



(also.. has Kitty actuaally been able to just phase parts of herself before? or it that just bad editing?)

Emma didn't tell Kitty about Perfection. In fact, after Emma revealed that she was working with Shaw,Nove, & NTW, Kitty asked "Who else?" Emma told her "Nobody." (I'm paraphrasing, but that's what it boiled down to.)

And yes, if you read the original Claremont issues of Uncanny, Kitty was able to phase parts of her body while the rest remained solid. Not right away; it took time for her to develop these refinements of her powers, like phasing other people, walking up in the air (as if climbing invisible steps), & partially phasing herself.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Emma didn't tell Kitty about Perfection. In fact, after Emma revealed that she was working with Shaw,Nove, & NTW, Kitty asked "Who else?" Emma told her "Nobody." (I'm paraphrasing, but that's what it boiled down to.)

Well as Emma Frost and Perfection are one and the same person, she really wasn't working with anybody else.

 

[Specter313]

Well as Emma Frost and Perfection are one and the same person, she really wasn't working with anybody else.

That's just assumption.

 

[Wolverazio]

Well as Emma Frost and Perfection are one and the same person, she really wasn't working with anybody else.

And considering I still contend that Shaw/Nova/NSTWH are also all psychic projections of Emma's, it wouldn't make sense that she's identifying them as seperate entities.

There's obviously more to be revealed.

And for those that still say "too much physically has happened." Think of it this way...when Emma "senses Kitty" through the mirror...the Hellfire Club disappears. They don't cloak, they don't run away, they literally disappear in a split second without anyone knowing (as Emma is the one to notice and not Nova).

That to me clinched the psychic projections bit but meh...anything can still happen I suppose.

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

Personally, I think the panel with Emma clutching at her temples and screaming at them all to shut up clinched that theory for me. They're in her head, and they're driving her insane.

 

[MindPsyker]

The whole physical idea is defunct as well. think about it.. who was being physical? Sebastion Shaw and Collossus. All Emma had to do was make Collossus think he was fighting shaw and he would have torn that room apart. Sebation tried to convince Emma that he should attack the manger and she denies him. Why? Because her mind won't readily breakdown any barriers it put up to make the hallucination work for her. If you think about it everything has been done psychically(even the attack on Peter, she could have just knocked him out telepathically). My bet is that Peter does something to the manger that destroys the Breakworld. Hey...maybe Breakworld is inside the manger? lol.

 

[Red Mask]

Ahh but Emma did say '' You can turn my brian to slate --which you wont.''

So she can use it, and before kitty can hurt her, Emma would have hurt Kitty, but shes just playing with her really.

But Emma and Perfection both admit that they see Kitty as a threat of sorts. It's a self-fulfilled prophecy. Kitty is Emma's weakness.

 

[Darkdd]

This has been set up since either #1 or #2,when Emma tells kitty that she put her on the team to "watch her".

 

[mad_harleyq]

hmm well maybe emma could have this all in her mind, after all she does have substance abbuse in her family, among other things, oh and since someone mentioned that nothing was really physical, then maybe the fight between emma and kitty wasent real either, since emma didnt fight back, on another note, emma is very capable of making someone think theyre fighting and having "someone" fight back, couldnt she just increase pain in certain areas that have been "hit"

 

[Wolverazio]

hmm well maybe emma could have this all in her mind, after all she does have substance abbuse in her family, among other things, oh and since someone mentioned that nothing was really physical, then maybe the fight between emma and kitty wasent real either, since emma didnt fight back, on another note, emma is very capable of making someone think theyre fighting and having "someone" fight back, couldnt she just increase pain in certain areas that have been "hit"

She wouldn't have to increase pain, all she would have to do is convince the mind as a whole that it is being hit. Kind of like Freddy Krueger logic, if your mind believes it's happening then your body feels it.

I just feel a bit vindicated since I've been saying Emma done gone crazy since issue 12 (that was the end of the first "season" right?) and people said how I was oh so wrong.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

So what do u think is gonna happen with this new

Spoiler

emma?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

So what do u think is gonna happen with this new

Spoiler

emma?

Well.... I expect Scott will be trying for a 3-way.

 

[MoPlaYa]

Well.... I expect Scott will be trying for a 3-way.

LOL

 

[Specter313]

Joss Whedon will be sticking around at Marvel after Astonishing X-Men, Quesada said, noting that there will be some announcements coming soon that will mention this.

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