Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - - - - - - - Part 16

This is very true. The moment a run of 1 - 5 or 1 - 6 issues of a MARVEL series is out, the very next month or so the trade is out. DC it's like I want to 6 months AT LEAST if not more and it's sad. It especially doesn't help there's a 6 month gap between hardcover and paperback.
Yeah, the gap is ridiculous. Though, I think DC is willing to improve on that. They will release the new Batgirl volume both in TPB and HC in the next couple weeks. :up:

Also, while we're on a similar subject, DC seems to be releasing a new trade dress for their new volumes. I don't know if you guys/girls are touchy about this issue and want the spines of your books to look identical, or at least have a consistency, but here's what 'Tec Volume 6 looks like:

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More pictures:
http://collectededitions.blogspot.c...vol-6-icarus-launches-new-dc-trade-dress.html
 
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Yeah, the gap is ridiculous. Though, I think DC is willing to improve on that. They will release the new Batgirl volume both in TPB and HC in the next couple weeks. :up:

Also, while we're on a similar subject, DC seems to be releasing a new trade dress for their new volumes. I don't know if you guys/girls are touchy about this issue and want the spines of your books to look identical, or at least have a consistency, but here's what 'Tec Volume 6 looks like:

gWuKMyl.jpg


More pictures:
http://collectededitions.blogspot.c...vol-6-icarus-launches-new-dc-trade-dress.html

I can see how that'd bother some people, I don't buy hardcover (though I have a few times like Forever Evil, Trinity War & Death in the Family for that great cover) but it doesn't affect me and I DOUBT the TPB's will change.

But glad to know about Batgirl, I even verified on Amazon. Though I don't get why they'd do this but hey not arguing at all :D
 
The ads are only for June's issues. It's a one off. Which even though I'm pissed about them it makes business sense since those books are expected to sell quite well.

DC trades usually take an eternity to release. I'll endure the ads as long as possible.

Seriously I don't see myself falling back on floppies. Not as long as they're still published.

1) I love the feeling of anticipation between issues. Something trades completely negate.

2) I'm paying around the same amount of money and sometimes even more (because of bonuses and print quality etc.) for the collection anyway.
 
The ads are only for June's issues. It's a one off. Which even though I'm pissed about them it makes business sense since those books are expected to sell quite well.



Seriously I don't see myself falling back on floppies. Not as long as they're still published.

1) I love the feeling of anticipation between issues. Something trades completely negate.

2) I'm paying around the same amount of money and sometimes even more (because of bonuses and print quality etc.) for the collection anyway.

Makes sense, but I don't have the patience or the memory. Even if the last issue was great within a month's time I already forgot it due to the hundreds of other comics I read and because of well life in general. Television works the same way for me when I wait for it on netflix or on DVD/Blu-Ray to binge watch it. I like to take it all in at once, otherwise due to what I said above the story may have a smaller impact on me. Plus, I've always been bad about organizing my comics, TPB's not so much.
 
The ads are only for June's issues. It's a one off. Which even though I'm pissed about them it makes business sense since those books are expected to sell quite well.

Oh, must have missed that. That's not so bad then. but still irritating.
 
But, the marketing should never overtake the art.

Full pages in-between story/art is annoying enough (comic commercials), but little blocks/areas in art pages is idiotic even only for a month.

How soon does DC warrant 'business sense' do to it again, or to start making comics that have more ads then art?
 
Yeah, even those whole page ads that come in between is the other reason I don't buy single comic issues.
 
Take for instance, i'll take 3 different decades and judge the difference...

Detective 601 (1989)

The ad count is 11 [34%] with 22 pages [66%] of "comic" and 1 page of newsletter.

-Backside of front cover ad selling an NES
-Double sided ad; one being for NES, the other for NY Comic Con
-Double sided ad; one being for NES, the other for DC Comics
-Double sided ad; both sides selling DC Comics
-Double sided ad; one being for Comic Stores, the other being for Perez/Breeding Superman team
-Double sided back cover; one being for NES, the other for D&D

Detective Comics 729 (1999)

The ad count is 16 [42%] with 22 [58%] pages of "comic".

-Backside of front cover ad for N64
-One page ad for JNCO lol
-Two Page ad spread for Playstation
-Double sided ad; one being for Faculty, the other for Playstation
-Double sided w/ two page spread w/ another double sided as for TNN/Playstation (spread)/TBS
-Double sided ad; one being for Faculty (again), the other for Star Wars
-One sided ad; Zelda
-One sided ad; Playstation
-Double sided back cover; one being N64, the other for Gap

Batman V2 15 (2013)

The ad count is 14 [34%] with 21 [50%] pages of "comic" and 7 [16%] pages of the 'Backup'.

-Backside of cover ad for The Onion
-Single page ad for NBA
-Single page ad for Mad
-Single page ad for DC Comics
-Single page ad for DC Comics
-Single page ad for DC Comics
-Two page spread ad for DC Comics
-Single page ad for Arrow
-Single page ad for DC Comics
-Two page spread ad for DC Comics
-Double sided back cover ad; one being for TruTV, the other for Arkham City

The ad page percentage has fluctuated a bit but hasn't changed too much, but one thing is for certain the percentage of pages per comic has decreased greatly.

It's sad, considering prices and what the ads are for (in-house, DC Comics)... where is the money going? I want to equate it to a tv show, most are hitting 19-21 minutes for half hour. When just in the early 90's it was more but not much, Friends' DVDs S1-S3 are roughly 22-24 minutes.

Most of America is pretty fed up with commercials and the abundance of them but they occur in bigger blocks, and fewer during the time period and haven't increased percentage wise as bad or lost percentage of content as much as comics have.

The ads from 89 to 99 to 2013 are always so sporadic and annoying, the same. Its like after every 2 or 3 pages and ad is there to annoy you and wreak your reading.

I'd be fine with more "comic" pages if ads have to stay around 10-14 but keep them in bigger chunks that happen few times throughout a 40 page issue.

It sucks...
 
Also, while we're on a similar subject, DC seems to be releasing a new trade dress for their new volumes. I don't know if you guys/girls are touchy about this issue and want the spines of your books to look identical, or at least have a consistency, but here's what 'Tec Volume 6 looks like:

gWuKMyl.jpg


More pictures:
http://collectededitions.blogspot.c...vol-6-icarus-launches-new-dc-trade-dress.html
The new look for Tec Vol. 6 is gorgeous. I almost want to buy it for the cover alone. Incidentally, I've never read the Detective Comics line so would Vol. 6 be a good pickup?
 
The new look for Tec Vol. 6 is gorgeous. I almost want to buy it for the cover alone. Incidentally, I've never read the Detective Comics line so would Vol. 6 be a good pickup?

Only read up to Vol. 4, I didn't care much for Vol. 2. The overall series is like a 3 out of 5 I'd say. I liked Emperor Penguin and Dollmaker, I felt they could have done more with Wraith, personally the cover to it Vol. 4 made it look very epic when it was not. Vol.6 picks up with a new team and Anarky so yeah, you can pick up here. Detective Comics doesn't really borrow from the Batman main title series and each volume has been pretty self-contained. I do believe some of Emperor Penguin spilled into the beginning of Vol. 4 but that's it.
 
The new look for Tec Vol. 6 is gorgeous. I almost want to buy it for the cover alone. Incidentally, I've never read the Detective Comics line so would Vol. 6 be a good pickup?
Yes Arya, definitely start with Vol. 6. It's the Icarus storyline and the first arc from Booch/Manapul (former team of The Flash from #1 to #25).

That's indeed a fantastic cover. I have the single issue and hope that Manapul appears at my local con one of these days so he can sign it.
 
Appreciate the help guys :up:
 
Personally, I much prefer Layman's run on Detective over Manipul's. The art was nice too (Fabok). It ended crappily with Gothtopia, but the rest of his run was fantastic.
 
Layman's run was well written, but I think it was forgettable. Fabok was great.

Manapul's run has a voice. It may not be perfect, but it's his own thing, and I like how Bullock is as much the protagonist as bats.
 
I like that he is too. I just don't like how he's written.

You know who else I really enjoyed that I don't feel got the credit he deserved? Greg Hurwits (or whatever his name was) that took over Batman The Dark Knight from Finch and Jenkins. His Scarecrow story was great and his Mad Hatter story was the first time I ever actually cared about the character. I liked the Clay Face story after that. Then he did a Man Bat story that, if expanded upon, could easily turn that new Man Bat into Batman's Green Goblin.
 
I think Hurwitz best story was penguin pain and prejudice. His work on the dark knight was mostly quite good, and way better than Finch's run.
 
I loathe Hurwitz's Scarecrow story but everything else he did was alright.
 
I loathe Hurwitz's Scarecrow story but everything else he did was alright.

What did you loathe about it? Just curious. I was completely entranced the whole time.

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I think Hurwitz best story was penguin pain and prejudice. His work on the dark knight was mostly quite good, and way better than Finch's run.

Oh yeah, that Penguin mini was fantastic. Reading that is what made me decide to check out his Dark Knight run.
 
Today's Detective Comics #41 was a mess, full of contradictions to Batman #41, making the title or at least the direction of it seem all the more unnecessary. I don't know what's going on over at editorial but I think that's it for me on Detective for a while.

Batman #41 on the other hand was fantastic.
 
Today's Detective Comics #41 was a mess, full of contradictions to Batman #41, making the title or at least the direction of it seem all the more unnecessary. I don't know what's going on over at editorial but I think that's it for me on Detective for a while.

Batman #41 on the other hand was fantastic.
I should be reading this week's comics today, but you do know DC is going for a "story over continuity" thing now, right?
 
I should be reading this week's comics today, but you do know DC is going for a "story over continuity" thing now, right?
Depends on the book. Their core titles are still going to be tight on continuity (i.e. Justice League, Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, etc.) while the smaller titles like Black Canary, Prez, Bizarro, Starfire, etc. are focusing more on story.
 
What did you loathe about it? Just curious. I was completely entranced the whole time.

One of my biggest pet peeves in fiction is the "villain was traumatized as a kid to the point that it triggers self mutilation".

It's especially insulting when applied to a character like The Scarecrow who always benefits from appearing "normal" as Crane and internalizing all his madness until he completely unleashes it via the wearing of his mask; without having to harm himself to appear any "crazier".

It was almost as bad as Mr. Freeze being some psychotic stalker of some lady named Nora.

That story was pretty much cliche central and dull as dishwater for that reason.

Post-Flashpoint in general has been pretty bad when it comes to revamping the Bat villain origins and Scarecrow was no exception.
 
Depends on the book. Their core titles are still going to be tight on continuity (i.e. Justice League, Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, etc.) while the smaller titles like Black Canary, Prez, Bizarro, Starfire, etc. are focusing more on story.

Nah not true even the core titles will have a more loose continuity at best.

Hence Darkseid War over in the flagship book of the mainstream DCU not featuring a Gordon Batman, WW's new costume or Supes current status quo.

The chronology won't always be pitch perfect but then again that's always pretty much been the case anyway. Some stories always took place before others. Now it's just a bit more blatant.
 
I enjoyed 'Tec #41. I got some Gotham Central vibes from the story. Art was decent, though still bummed that Manapul isn't on art duty for this arc.

Oh and [BLACKOUT]Renee Montoya[/BLACKOUT] is back! :woo:
 

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