Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - Part 9

[RoughNTumble]

bunker and tim drake

 

[Mystirious]

I don't like the Kate/Maggie relationship. They've spent way too little time actually detailing their emotional and personal connection, and way too much time on their sex life. It really could be reduced to "hey, we're both lesbians, we're attracted to each other, let's ****!"

I disagree completely

I love the way Kate and Maggie have been written in this series and I love how Williams has developed the relationship. I think he's done a great job of developing the relationship and showing them falling in love and they are my favourite couple in comics right now. I think he's done a great job of portraying their emotional and personal connection as well as their sex life and I love how both have been written

Their also the only dc couple i care about at all. I hope they stay together forever

There's nothing immoral about their relationship

And I love how Williams has portrayed their love life. It's felt realistic and well written and not exploitative. I love that he hasnt tried to hide it out of fear of offending bigoted idiots and that he's portrayed them as having a sex life just like any other normal couple and shown them kissing and holding hands and actually acting like a couple. The love svene between the two is one of the best love scenes I've seen in comics or anywhere else

I think he's done a great job of showing how much they mean to one another as well as showing that they have fun together and making them a fun and interesting couple to read about

I love Kate and Maggie and i love how their written. As a lesbian comic book fan these are the kind if characters and the kind of couples I want to read about most of all

 

[Mystirious]

I'm probably getting overly enthusiastic but I really hope Croc, Bloody Mary and Hook become Kate's permanent rogues. They go so well with the style Williams set up, plus..they're all urban legends! A crocodile living in the sewers, bloody Mary, a hook wielding killer..it works so well.

Agreed

They would make great additions to Kate's rogues gallery and I hope they do all stick around especially Bloody Mary and Croc.

Their great visually and as a theme having her rogues be supernatural creatures and dark urban legends is really fab and gives the series a great spooky feel

 

[Scarecrow_King]

As good as Batwoman is, there have been a few small things that I just really hate. I literally eye rolled at the convenient nano-tube armor that Kate now wears, which really takes any drama out of the story. The thing that makes the Bat books so engaging for me is the reality of the danger that they're in because they're human. That danger has been removed. It's not like she wasn't wearing armor before, that she jacked from the military. Now we have a costume origin over another costume origin. ugh.

And I hated the Croc design. It was awesome, except for the stupid ****ing eyes. Other than that, he looks like Godzilla which is awesome. But those stupid ****ing eyes ruin everything.

But Batman and Robin I had 0 complaints about. holy crap, I thought [blackout]Bruce was gonna leave Nobody in the acid and break his rule in front of Damien.[/blackout] I think Batman and Robin has been just as good as Batman. Between these two books, it's actually hard to miss Dick as Batman.

 

[RoughNTumble]

Mysti, are you fresh out of the closet? honest question.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The tatoos are beautiful. I love the red star on her back most of all. Its a proud statement of who she is, that she is a proud lesbian woman and I'm getting one done on my back just like it. Her arm tatoo is sexy as well though I dont know if that one has any deeper significance or meaning. It still looks good though

I love women with tatoos

I'm pretty sure that both of the tattoos on her that Williams depicts are military symbols, not LGBT symbols.

The star on her back is a nautical star that is typically associated with the sea branches of the United States military (Navy and Marines). There are rumors that it was a symbol for closeted lesbians during the 1940's to 1960's as a sign for identifying each other when homosexuality was looked more down upon.

The tattoo on her arm is a Green Beret insignia. The special forces of the U.S. Army which Kate was a part of.

However, the tattoos look rather sickly considering how pale Williams draws her. I am also not a fan of tattoos either to begin with. I like the skin on a woman looking natural

And I love how pale she is. It's sexy and gorgeous

I don't mind the fact that she is pale. The pale skin works good in contrasting her Batwoman outfit. But I think that Williams goes a bit overboard with the paleness. Reeder does a much better job in depicting her rather pale skin. Her pale skin looks more natural as opposed to Williams making her look like Powder.

I personally cannot wait to see Williams drawing her again starting in issue twelve I think he draws her really well

Williams does a fantastic job in drawing Batwoman in costume, but I'm not fond of his Kate. Everything else he draws in the book is utterly fantastic though.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't like the Kate/Maggie relationship. They've spent way too little time actually detailing their emotional and personal connection, and way too much time on their sex life. It really could be reduced to "hey, we're both lesbians, we're attracted to each other, let's ****!"

I actually like the Kate/Maggie relationship. It's way better than the Kate/Renee relationship which was terrible. I've been feeling the development with it.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Their also the only dc couple i care about at all. I hope they stay together forever

While I like the Kate/Maggie relationship, I think I prefer Superman/Lois Lane, Batman/Talia, Dick Grayson/Barbara Gordon, Aquaman/Mera, and Robin/Superboy.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I like the Maggie/Kate relationship so far.

But I really didn't like the long, explicit sex scene they gave us a few issues ago. It felt unnecessary and like the creators were trying to show us how edgy they can be. Before, it their relationship felt natural. Then out of nowhere it was LESBIAN SEX IN OUR COMICS!!!

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think the way J.H. Williams did the art in that scene, along with contrasting with Bette getting brutally beaten, is what made it work IMO.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I loved how the writing had it going on at the same time as Bette's beating. But I just couldn't help but roll my eyes at seeing the women's O faces.

I feel the same way when it's hetero sex. It always feels like a cry by creators for people to stop treating comics as a childish medium by ramping up the sex and the violence. When there are better ways to accomplish that goal.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I loved how the writing had it going on at the same time as Bette's beating. But I just couldn't help but roll my eyes at seeing the women's O faces.

Please tell me an O face that doesn't look ridiculous.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Please tell me an O face that doesn't look ridiculous.

which is why they shouldn't put them in comic books.

Greg Land.

 

[Mystirious]

I loved it

I thought it was a beautiful love scene and I'm very glad they did it

Heterosexual couples have sex scenes in comics why shouldn't gay or lesbian couples too. I know I'd much rather see love scenes like the one between Kate and Maggie than ones like the Batman/Catwoman one

Mysti, are you fresh out of the closet? honest question.

Nope I've been out a long time

Identified as bisexual for a while but I now identify as a lesbian who's maybe a bit bi-curious for a few guys

Like John Barrowman

But I've identified as either bi or lesbian pretty much my whole life and I've been out for quite a while

There are rumors that it was a symbol for closeted lesbians during the 1940's to 1960's as a sign for identifying each other when homosexuality was looked more down upon.

This is indeed true and I think that's why Kate got the tatoo as a proud declaration of her sexual identity

Hey if you ever see Greg Rucka at a convention would you ask hin hippie hunter

I'd be interested to know if I'm right or if it is a reference to her millitary background

Though either way i suppose its still a statement about who she is. Kate's sense of honour and her time with the millitary as well as her families is just as important a part of her identity as her sexuality

 

[Mystirious]

While I like the Kate/Maggie relationship, I think I prefer Superman/Lois Lane, Batman/Talia, Dick Grayson/Barbara Gordon, Aquaman/Mera, and Robin/Superboy.

That's fair enough

I do like Aquaman and Mera and Clark and Lois but i don't care about them the same way i do Kate and Maggie

It didnt bother me that much when DC broke up Lois and Clark. It annoyed but didnt upset me. But if Kate and Maggie ever break up you'll find me weeping into a bowl of ice cream needing hugs

I feel the same way when it's hetero sex. It always feels like a cry by creators for people to stop treating comics as a childish medium by ramping up the sex and the violence. When there are better ways to accomplish that goal.

I'm fine with sex scenes if they're well done

The one in Batwoman would be an example of one done well

The one between Harley and Deadshot would be an example of one that was not

 

[Hush]

Currently loving Nightwing, I think it's a great story they have going here.

 

[hippie_hunter]

This is indeed true and I think that's why Kate got the tatoo as a proud declaration of her sexual identity

Hey if you ever see Greg Rucka at a convention would you ask hin hippie hunter

That's if I ever go to a comic book convention. The only comic book creators I have ever met are Steve Skeates at the Canandaigua Comic Con where I got to ask him how was working on Aquaman, Ross Campbell who shops at my comic shop, and I caught a glimpse of Art Baltazar at the comic book shop in Canandaigua at Free Comic Book Day.

I'd be interested to know if I'm right or if it is a reference to her millitary background

Though either way i suppose its still a statement about who she is. Kate's sense of honour and her time with the millitary as well as her families is just as important a part of her identity as her sexuality

Yeah, I'm really curious about this as well.

 

[Mystirious]

which is why they shouldn't put them in comic books.

Greg Land.

I'm okay with them when their meant to be there

But in Greg Land's work everyone has an o-face

EVERYONE

Except the readers

The readers have faces

 

[hippie_hunter]

Lol!

 

[Mystirious]

That's if I ever go to a comic book convention. The only comic book creators I have ever met are Steve Skeates at the Canandaigua Comic Con where I got to ask him how was working on Aquaman, Ross Campbell who shops at my comic shop, and I caught a glimpse of Art Baltazar at the comic book shop in Canandaigua at Free Comic Book Day.

I hope you get the chance to go to one soon hippie hunter The conventions look really fun

Yeah, I'm really curious about this as well.

It would definitely be neat to know which meaning the red star tatoo on her back was supposed to have

It's certainly something I'd be interested to know

 

[Roose Bolton]

Was Greg Land ever good? I think I saw a picture Talia al Ghul that was actually DRAWN by him and it seemed ok.

 

[Mystirious]

Lol!

 

[Mystirious]

Was Greg Land ever good? I think I saw a picture Talia al Ghul that was actually DRAWN by him and it seemed ok.

Are you sure it was by Land

I literally eye rolled at the convenient nano-tube armor that Kate now wears, which really takes any drama out of the story. The thing that makes the Bat books so engaging for me is the reality of the danger that they're in because they're human. That danger has been removed. It's not like she wasn't wearing armor before, that she jacked from the military. Now we have a costume origin over another costume origin. ugh.

I think the new costume while tougher isn't going to be invulnerable so all the drama won't be gone but normal weapons like knives or guns won't be a threat for her

And I hated the Croc design. It was awesome, except for the stupid ****ing eyes. Other than that, he looks like Godzilla which is awesome. But those stupid ****ing eyes ruin everything.

Croc getting no love

He may be a reptile monster that eats people but he still has feelings

 

[Roose Bolton]

Are you sure it was by Land

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Talia.jpg

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, it's Land, there actually was a period in time where Land was actually a decent artist back when he worked for DC. But his Marvel work has been nothing but tracing porn pictures and he's been getting worse and worse.