Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - Part 9

[Micromind]

Batman #6 was fantastic issue, I think that art work really captures the mental and physical state of batman, looking forward to Night of Owls story further.

BTW, Court of Owl looked creepy.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Yep after reading the last two issues I am so excited for the Night of the Owls story

Also

Spoiler

I think I've worked out how Freeze is connected to the Owls. The woman in thecwheelchair says that all the coffins contain Talons waiting to be woken. I think Freeze has helped the Owls keep their Talons in suspended animation so rather than having to constantly find and train new ones they can have hundreds on ice that they can wake up whenever they need them

That is a cool theory.

Spoiler

The only problem I see with it is that the Court has had Talons since like, forever. If Freeze has only been around for 5 years at most, he wouldn't be able to retroactively suspend them. But the Court could have made all of these Talons since then.

 

[Drz]

Batman #6 was such a major letdown. Too much Batgod is too much. It really loses the impact Talon and Talons had and will have, alongside the Court of Owls in general. The storytelling was fantastic with the hallucinations Batman is seeing, but still here's the flaw:

Spoiler

Batman has been without food, proper sleep and proper water alongside being drugged, can just beat up a Serumed up Super soldier level assassin thru a brick stone wall simply because he has willpower to do so, not to mention apparently only decides to escape once he's taken down Talon and has had his whole torso stabbed. Sigh

Red Hood #6 was awesome. Jason was naked most of the time, eat that you sexists. =p

 

[Shazam]

Batman #6 was such a major letdown. Too much Batgod is too much. It really loses the impact Talon and Talons had and will have, alongside the Court of Owls in general. The storytelling was fantastic with the hallucinations Batman is seeing, but still here's the flaw:
[spoiler]Batman has been without food, proper sleep and proper water alongside being drugged, can just beat up a Serumed up Super soldier level assassin thru a brick stone wall simply because he has willpower to do so, not to mention apparently only decides to escape once he's taken down Talon and has had his whole torso stabbed. Sigh[/spoiler]

Red Hood #6 was awesome. Jason was naked most of the time, eat that you sexists. =p

Crazy huh???t:

Somehow he can muster up this kind of will.....this kind of focus.....this kind of strength (after being gutted and full of drugged water and beaten to a pulp) BUT......somehow some people had a problem with me wondering how his will power was so weak to succumb to 8 days with no food and water??

Just because he saw a photo of his great grand pappy??? As Chris Carter would say....."Come on mane!"

 

[Shazam]

Don't mistake my critiques as not enjoying this story! This has been a great ride! Can't wait to see this one thru!!

 

[HighFivingMF]

Crazy huh???t:

Somehow he can muster up this kind of will.....this kind of focus.....this kind of strength (after being gutted and full of drugged water and beaten to a pulp) BUT......somehow some people had a problem with me wondering how his will power was so weak to succumb to 8 days with no food and water??

Just because he saw a photo of his great grand pappy??? As Chris Carter would say....."Come on mane!"

Wait... Did you just argue with yourself?

 

[Boom]

Where's the best place to buy the New 52 online?

I'm gonna start reading Batman.

 

[Shazam]

Wait... Did you just argue with yourself?

Nope.

What just happened in issue 6 was what I said should have happened all along. Batman's amazing mental "Will" should have kept him from even needing that drugged water or at least from drinking it after the first sip. The mind games of the Owls should have been nothing to a man like Bruce.

Bruce is the ultimate "mind over matter" expert. But somehow he's driven out of his mind, by lack of food for 8 days and walls of photos and model city sets.....Oh and a flood light! LOL!

Then all of a sudden (with his intestines ruptured) , jaw-bones crushed, teeth missing, and leg busted, he can fight a bio-engineered Talon and beat him. Riiiiiiiiiight.

Okay.....will the real Bats pleez stand up?

 

[CConn]

Where's the best place to buy the New 52 online?

I'm gonna start reading Batman.

Comixology.

 

[Boom]

I purchased them and downloaded the app on my iPad. Where do I go I access them? It doesn't say anything under "My Comics."

 

[Watchman]

Batman #6 was such a major letdown. Too much Batgod is too much. It really loses the impact Talon and Talons had and will have, alongside the Court of Owls in general. The storytelling was fantastic with the hallucinations Batman is seeing, but still here's the flaw:

Spoiler

Batman has been without food, proper sleep and proper water alongside being drugged, can just beat up a Serumed up Super soldier level assassin thru a brick stone wall simply because he has willpower to do so, not to mention apparently only decides to escape once he's taken down Talon and has had his whole torso stabbed. Sigh

Yeah that was a stretch but I'm one of the few that let's the excuse of "he's the god damn Batman that's how" slide because...well I don't care and he's awesome.

This reminds me what Snyder did at the end of Severed

[BLACKOUT]The main character has been chained and he's arm cut off yet still manages to fight off his attacker, rescue his mother, and escape....and he's not peak human condition but a 14-15 year old.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Cain]

Well guys to me it seems pretty obvious really. They broke his spirit in the last issue. His confidence was shot straight to hell. They had him dead to rights. Then they did the same mistake the bat rogues always make; they gloat and think they're hot **** and move in close. Instead of just killing the guy.

Then in gloating they gave him something that triggered that adrenaline spark that lies dormant (seeing his great-great-grandfather's defeated and saddened face). Which to me doesn't seem too far fetched. That was a beautiful thing to bring back and use to bring Batman back to his faculties btw.

Not just another helpless victim like the one he's sworn to protect but one that also believed in justice and happened to be his kin. They pushed way too far. That tear in Bruce's eye represented to much. It was a great moment IMO.

I'm not a professional fighter but once got jumped by 4 people on an express train. Suffice it to say halfway through my adrenaline shot up so much that 3 of them I ended up banging their heads on the train chairs and knocking out while the fourth I took down with a headlock so severe that had we not gotten seperated I'd probably had killed the cirulation to the guy's head.

All this while I had swelling eye and possibly broken nose. I felt so defeated and vulnerable at one point and then something happened and I just hulked the **** out. So again I don't know; to me it doesn't seem like a far fetched thing for Batman to overcome.

I don't care what state he may be in a master hand to hand combatant like the Batman is not someone you want to get close to if he comes to. Even the first time he faced the talon he was pretty much owning that fight. That is Batman in his element. Nothing comes more naturally for him outside of that except masterful deduction skills.

Oh and Drz it was not "brick stone" it was marble. There is a difference

 

[Cain]

Yep after reading the last two issues I am so excited for the Night of the Owls story

Also

Spoiler

I think I've worked out how Freeze is connected to the Owls. The woman in thecwheelchair says that all the coffins contain Talons waiting to be woken. I think Freeze has helped the Owls keep their Talons in suspended animation so rather than having to constantly find and train new ones they can have hundreds on ice that they can wake up whenever they need them

Solid theory there Mysti. Good detecting

 

[Drz]

Cain, i'm not going to debate with you. You'll just kill me with your hammers of justice.


Man, i love this panel:

Bruce loves ya Jason. ;----;

1660 Talon:

Will fight Catwoman in May.

1770 Talon:

Will fight Robin in May.

Also interesting enough, Dark Knight #9 which has 1970s Talon fightning Red Robin, it will be told thru the Talon's perspective.

Scott Snyder has 3 stories planned for Batman, his trilogy so to speak.

"Up too late, having a nightcap after a long day of writing, talking Batman w/pal and up and comer [[James Tynion IV]]. And just want to say thanks to you all for my job. I will stay in Gotham as long as you will rent me a room. And for what it's worth, I will talk out of turn & say that the stories coming up, both in Court of owls story, but the one that starts at ISSUE #13, and then the one that will start at #20, will be us swinging for the fences. No playing it safe. No small stories. Every story will be -we hope - a game changer. Really, the Court is the first in a trilogy of Bruce stories I've been thinking about for a long time, always tinkering with."


"Actually headed into the [[DC Comics]] office today to talk about the 3rd story in the trilogy of Batman/ Bruce stories I mentioned last night"

Quotes taken from Twitter, that'd be the proper source.

 

[Mystirious]

That is a cool theory.

Spoiler

The only problem I see with it is that the Court has had Talons since like, forever. If Freeze has only been around for 5 years at most, he wouldn't be able to retroactively suspend them. But the Court could have made all of these Talons since then.

Yep I think its just the new Talons being

Spoiler

kept in suspended animation

by his technology

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Man, Batman #6 was great. Bruce picking himself up and ranting about the Court of Owls being common criminals is gonna go down as one of my personal great Batman moments.

 

[Cain]

Red Hood #6 was awesome. Jason was naked most of the time, eat that you sexists. =p

Yep now with equal opportunity cheesecake; what else ya got haters? t:

Damn it I can't trade wait this book after all. After reading #6 at the shop today I ended up buying it so yeah I'm adding it back to the monthlies list. Each issue keeps getting better and better and this one was the best. I loved how they made Jason and Kori's personalities and agenda crystal clear in this issue. I was always a "Dick and Kori" type of shipper not really "Dick and Babs" so seeing how much she loved him and how she wishes to see him again someday but can't even remember his name kinda got to me. Well done.

 

[Cain]

Man, Batman #6 was great. Bruce picking himself up and ranting about the Court of Owls being common criminals is gonna go down as one of my personal great Batman moments.

That whole scene and when he goes "I am sick to death of owls" and proceeds to knock the talon down made me want to drop my comic and just start applauding. Snyder is as good at writing Bruce consistently true to character as he was with Grayson.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It was even better for me because it felt like Bruce really earned it this time, as opposed to the usual method of manufacturing a climax by revealing that Bruce secretly planned to look like he was losing and then pull out a last-minute win all along. This time around, he really was pushed past his breaking point, so his victory was gritty and hard-won and, above all, honest. That's way better drama than "prep-time, lulz!"

 

[Mystirious]

Man, Batman #6 was great. Bruce picking himself up and ranting about the Court of Owls being common criminals is gonna go down as one of my personal great Batman moments.

That scene was such a bad ass moment for Bruce Loved this issue and Batman's fight with the Talon so much

 

[Shazam]

Well guys to me it seems pretty obvious really. They broke his spirit in the last issue. His confidence was shot straight to hell. They had him dead to rights. Then they did the same mistake the bat rogues always make; they gloat and think they're hot **** and move in close. Instead of just killing the guy.

Then in gloating they gave him something that triggered that adrenaline spark that lies dormant (seeing his great-great-grandfather's defeated and saddened face). Which to me doesn't seem too far fetched. That was a beautiful thing to bring back and use to bring Batman back to his faculties btw.

Not just another helpless victim like the one he's sworn to protect but one that also believed in justice and happened to be his kin. They pushed way too far. That tear in Bruce's eye represented to much. It was a great moment IMO.

I'm not a professional fighter but once got jumped by 4 people on an express train. Suffice it to say halfway through my adrenaline shot up so much that 3 of them I ended up banging their heads on the train chairs and knocking out while the fourth I took down with a headlock so severe that had we not gotten seperated I'd probably had killed the cirulation to the guy's head.

All this while I had swelling eye and possibly broken nose. I felt so defeated and vulnerable at one point and then something happened and I just hulked the **** out. So again I don't know; to me it doesn't seem like a far fetched thing for Batman to overcome.

I don't care what state he may be in a master hand to hand combatant like the Batman is not someone you want to get close to if he comes to. Even the first time he faced the talon he was pretty much owning that fight. That is Batman in his element. Nothing comes more naturally for him outside of that except masterful deduction skills.

Oh and Drz it was not "brick stone" it was marble. There is a difference

Never should have broken his spirit to begin with. He can't muster up that kind of will power because he hadn't had a cheese burger in 8 days versus being nearly disemboweled??? Come on?? Never should gotten this far to "overcome", per se.

Now I'm lovin' the comeback back! But my eyes are rollin', readin' this! LOL

 

[Cain]

Never should have broken his spirit to begin with. He can't muster up that kind of will power because he hadn't had a cheese burger in 8 days versus being nearly disemboweled??? Come on?? Never should gotten this far to "overcome", per se.

Now I'm lovin' the comeback back! But my eyes are rollin', readin' this! LOL

OK dude we're talking about the only guy outside of Supes who exists in the DCU with as much willpower as any of the GL's. You forget to look at it from that context. Plus the fact that an adrenaline rush could quell pain for the moment being.

It's not like Batman didn't admit defeat he conceded when he was in the river. Obviously still drugged and delirious after all though I'm sure he obviously escaped. Cause in the end it's Batman. Of course he's going to bounce back despite being pushed beyond the usual. This was a lesson for Batman. He thought he knew everything about his city; he didn't and he learned and perservered; like always.

 

[Mystirious]

Solid theory there Mysti. Good detecting

I read this post in the Kevin Conroy Batman voice t:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't see the issue with Bruce's being broken or recovering. He was broken because he had no exit, nothing to strike out against, and no real ability to discern what was real and what wasn't. Talon's overt physical assault changed that. Suddenly, Bruce was back in his element. He had a target to rage against and a purpose: to escape. After that, we start seeing that even in his debilitated state, he was making mental notes of the labyrinth's layout and the materials things were made out of and such. I thought the breakdown and (brief) second wind comprise a pretty masterful bit of storytelling, personally.

 

[Mystirious]

Agreed I thought Bruce recovering enough of his wits to fight back in this issue made sense