First Avenger OFFICIAL: Chris Evans is Captain America

[DorkyFresh]

I watched Sunshine and I personaly don't get it. His performance wasn't bad, his role was serious and all about the mission, but it didn't exactly scream Cap.

But somehow most people that watched it go "OMG! That's Cap!"

i think this is an exaggeration. i don't think anyone saw that movie and automatically thought "THIS GUY WOULD BE PERFECT FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA!!!"

it's just a good movie to reference when talking about his acting abilities. many people only see him in comedic roles. this is one of the few roles where he doesn't throw out any quirky, witty comments or actions. this is one of the few roles where we get to see GLIMPSES of how he might portray Cap Am. i don't think anyone is saying he acts like Captain America in that movie, but i know many people have said the he shows SOME of Cap Am's qualities in that role.

 

[Project862006]

^Exactly

 

[Wolvieboy17]

i think this is an exaggeration. i don't think anyone saw that movie and automatically thought "THIS GUY WOULD BE PERFECT FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA!!!"

it's just a good movie to reference when talking about his acting abilities. many people only see him in comedic roles. this is one of the few roles where he doesn't throw out any quirky, witty comments or actions. this is one of the few roles where we get to see GLIMPSES of how he might portray Cap Am. i don't think anyone is saying he acts like Captain America in that movie, but i know many people have said the he shows SOME of Cap Am's qualities in that role.

Lol I love that abbreviation of Caps name... makes me think of Am Dram, which in turn makes me think of a character called Captain Amateur...Now that I'd love to see.

 

[Nathan]

Well, I'm still not convinced. I'll reserve judgement though till I see him as Cap. In Sunshine he played a mission focused character, that would sacrifice everything for the success of the mission and anger issues. I didn't exactly see the Cap qualities that everyone else apparently sees.

 

[3atman]

Thats pretty true of any actor though... Look at people like Phillip Seymour Hoffman, or Jack Black... they'd been around in Hollywood for ages, but pretty much got limited to playing fat slobby loserish roles. Also, using that as a comparison for Evans as Cap is kinda silly as thats like saying "if he didn't look like Cap, he wouldn't have gotten the role". Especially since so many people in this thread were equally as superficial with casting suggestions anyway. I wouldn't judge Evans talent alone from F4, and he certainly hasn't chosen films 'guaranteed to draw'. Fantastic Four was pretty much it. He's mainly done alot of indie or smaller budget films.

And these same superficial fans also agree with this casting, not only that, but they're excited for it. These are also the same fans that suggest millions of no name TV show actors and actors in awful movies to play the roles of just about every comic character just because they look the part. The same fans who wouldn't have cast heath ledger.

Ledger and Keaton as unconventional choices is WAAAAY different than Evans as Cap. Evans looks like cap, that's it. Ledger had proven several times that he could act, Keaton as Beatlejuice was about as enthralling a character as you'll get. Evans really hasn't done any of that so the whole "don't second guess a cast choice until it happens, remember keaton" arguement doesn't work for Evans.

I guess what I'm trying to say it, I don't particularly trust the members of this board in casting. Maybe it's the nature of the beast as comic book movies, for the most part, haven't been that good. This might be sacrelidge, but I don't think the original Superman movies were all that good, barely decent. I think the Dark Knight is a very good movie, but I'm ok with it not getting an oscar nom. So when I go into casting a movie, I want to put it on the same level as at least the Dark Knight, not as the poorly acted camp and cheese comic film with guys who look like their comic counterparts.

I don't mean to offend anyone with this post, I'm sure some will take offence. I guess I just have higher expectations.

 

[blinkuldhc]

To be fair, what movies make you go "omg that's joker!" or "omg that's Tony stark!"

it's acting. Actors generally try not to do the same role twice, comic book movie or no comic book movie.... And that was evans' biggest hurdle for him, but at least the the characters are totally different.

I didn't see Bruce Wayne in American psycho or equilibrium... These guys are actors, let them at least take a shot at trying to prove to you guys he is or isn't cap before you say he isn't cap!

 

[GhostPoet]

I'm really pleased with the casting choice for Cap. I think it's a good decision...he does need to bulk up a LITTLE though for the role.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

And these same superficial fans also agree with this casting, not only that, but they're excited for it. These are also the same fans that suggest millions of no name TV show actors and actors in awful movies to play the roles of just about every comic character just because they look the part. The same fans who wouldn't have cast heath ledger.

Ledger and Keaton as unconventional choices is WAAAAY different than Evans as Cap. Evans looks like cap, that's it. Ledger had proven several times that he could act, Keaton as Beatlejuice was about as enthralling a character as you'll get. Evans really hasn't done any of that so the whole "don't second guess a cast choice until it happens, remember keaton" arguement doesn't work for Evans.

I guess what I'm trying to say it, I don't particularly trust the members of this board in casting. Maybe it's the nature of the beast as comic book movies, for the most part, haven't been that good. This might be sacrelidge, but I don't think the original Superman movies were all that good, barely decent. I think the Dark Knight is a very good movie, but I'm ok with it not getting an oscar nom. So when I go into casting a movie, I want to put it on the same level as at least the Dark Knight, not as the poorly acted camp and cheese comic film with guys who look like their comic counterparts.

I don't mean to offend anyone with this post, I'm sure some will take offence. I guess I just have higher expectations.

I get where you're coming from, but I wouldn't worry too much... alot of the 'fans' you're talking about still don't like Evans, and would still prefer their TV star choices. I'm not one of those fans, I was quite in favour of the idea of Krasinski as Cap, but i'm equally as positive about Evans. Go to YouTube and look up the trailer for a movie called "Loss of a Diamond Teardrop". It looks like a terrible film, but just see if Evans does anything for you in that. Thats when I got interested, particularly as a chance to see him in a period drama, without that modern spiky hair look and a smirky attitude.

 

[3atman]

I saw elements of Bruce Wayne in American Psycho. I saw elements of a mentally tortured human in Machinist. Bale has always been a dark and brooding dude with great range, so I knew he'd be a good Batman. Keaton was a dark guy in Beetlejuice, so I thought that fit too.

the thing with Evans is that he has never shown the range of Bale or RDJ or Ledger. It's not at ALL the same thing as the others because those guys were known as great actors with range. I never hear Evans in the discussion of "this guy has range".

now, if they had cast Daniel Day-Lewis, a guy for all purposes hasn't played a Cap type role, then you could compare it to casting Bale or Keaton because Day-Lewis is probably the best actor on the face of the earth.

BTW, I'm not saying I'm all for big names, I HATE the idea of Hoffman, Jolie, or Depp in a batman movie as Penguin, Catwoman, or Riddler.

What I enjoy seeing is a good actor given a role he's never had before and forcing himself (or herself) to totally transform into that role.

I really REALLY hope Evans proves me wrong and makes me look like an idiot. Again, I don't know the most about Evans because as I've said, I typically only watch cult classic, movies with Oscar noms, or movies that the premise interests me and Evans movies just don't do that with me. I will see if I can netflix some of Evans' other movies and then tell you what I think.

Even if I do decide that he's a "good" actor, it's going to be really hard to convince me that when sharing the screen with RDJ (who is overrated and failry one dimensional but amazing at the role he plays well) that he will be the one you look at.

 

[Chewy]

Downey = overrated and fairly one-dimensional?

Zodiac, Less Than Zero, Chaplin, Natural Born Killers,Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Fur, Charlie Bartlett, Iron Man, etc

C'mon now

 

[Rock Sexton]

Cap needs to be able to pull off moves like Blonsky did in the Hulk Movie. You aren't exactly all that agile with too much muscle mass.

Nathan, that's called a stunt double .......And if you think you can't pull off moves like those at 6'2 240lbs, then you probably shouldn't speak a word to this man .....

His name is Jason Paul-Pierre of the University of Central Florida, now heading into the NFL draft. He did over 13 back flips in a row at 6'5 275lbs.

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[Doctor Jones]

I can see if someone said he's overrated (which he isn't) But one dimensional? My ass he is.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I saw elements of Bruce Wayne in American Psycho. I saw elements of a mentally tortured human in Machinist. Bale has always been a dark and brooding dude with great range, so I knew he'd be a good Batman. Keaton was a dark guy in Beetlejuice, so I thought that fit too.

the thing with Evans is that he has never shown the range of Bale or RDJ or Ledger. It's not at ALL the same thing as the others because those guys were known as great actors with range. I never hear Evans in the discussion of "this guy has range".

now, if they had cast Daniel Day-Lewis, a guy for all purposes hasn't played a Cap type role, then you could compare it to casting Bale or Keaton because Day-Lewis is probably the best actor on the face of the earth.

BTW, I'm not saying I'm all for big names, I HATE the idea of Hoffman, Jolie, or Depp in a batman movie as Penguin, Catwoman, or Riddler.

What I enjoy seeing is a good actor given a role he's never had before and forcing himself (or herself) to totally transform into that role.

I really REALLY hope Evans proves me wrong and makes me look like an idiot. Again, I don't know the most about Evans because as I've said, I typically only watch cult classic, movies with Oscar noms, or movies that the premise interests me and Evans movies just don't do that with me. I will see if I can netflix some of Evans' other movies and then tell you what I think.

Even if I do decide that he's a "good" actor, it's going to be really hard to convince me that when sharing the screen with RDJ (who is overrated and failry one dimensional but amazing at the role he plays well) that he will be the one you look at.

I don't share your concern over Evans, but it's so refreshing to see someone actually being 'objective' in their disapproval. Most people just put their hands on their ears and go "lalalalalal, he was human torch, lalalalla, I hope this movie will bombs."

I don't understand why anyone would wish the downfall of a movie of a beloved character like Cap, unless they weren't really fans to begin with, in which case, who cares what they think? lol.

Anyway, good on you 3atman for being open minded. Theres not enough of it in these forums.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I agree with you about them needing to look heroic, but thats alot more than just muscles. Evans already has a good build to look like a superhero, and with Cap it's always been more about his substance of character... People don't follow him into battle because he has pumped guns and washboard abs.

6'0 180lbs is not "superhero" IMO.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

6'0 180lbs is not "superhero" IMO.

My point was that it's not the muscles that make the superhero, its what they do and how they carry themselves. Would you say Spider-Man or Daredevil, or any of the other more agile and athletic characters weren't superheroes either?

 

[Nathan]

Nathan, that's called a stunt double .......

Because I clearly said Evans needs to pull off those moves. Right? Right...

And if you think you can't pull off moves like those at 6'2 240lbs, then you probably shouldn't speak a word to this man .....

His name is Jason Paul-Pierre of the University of Central Florida, now heading into the NFL draft. He did over 16 back flips in a row at 6'5 275lbs.

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You know, Cap is supposed to do more than just a couple backflips.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I bet Ryan McPartline could do like, a million backflips :P

 

[Rock Sexton]

Because I clearly said Evans needs to pull off those moves. Right? Right...



You know, Cap is supposed to do more than just a couple backflips.

The point was that it is possible to move around athletically and display agility at a bulkier weight. This nonsense that some are spouting that bulk is going to take away from his agility is nonsense, especially coming from comic book fans.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I bet Ryan McPartline could do like, a million backflips :P

Stunt double ace .....stunt double ......

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Stunt double ace .....stunt double ......

That should be your catchphrase.

 

[3atman]

Downey = overrated and fairly one-dimensional?

Zodiac, Less Than Zero, Chaplin, Natural Born Killers,Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Fur, Charlie Bartlett, Iron Man, etc

C'mon now

K, those are the movies I've seen, plus I've seen only you. In ALL those movies he's a witty, charming smart a**. So yea, one dimensional to me. I think he's absolutely brillian at what he does, but he's not on "that" level IMO. I look foreward to seeing Chaplin and seeing if perhaps, like Sam Jackson, he's just been type cast. However it just seems like he's always the charming smart a**.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

The point was that it is possible to move around athletically and display agility at a bulkier weight. This nonsense that some are spouting that bulk is going to take away from his agility is nonsense, especially coming from comic book fans.

Because comics are the height of realism.

 

[Rock Sexton]

My point was that it's not the muscles that make the superhero, its what they do and how they carry themselves. Would you say Spider-Man or Daredevil, or any of the other more agile and athletic characters weren't superheroes either?

It's a COMBINATION..... not just one or the other. I only speak for myself (not the masses there Wolvie ), but I would like as close to a physical representation of the man as I can get (without destroying the realm of on-screen realism), as well as a true depiction on screen of his character and heroics.

They made Tobey wear a muscle suit in Spidey and Affleck well, that garbage reminded me nothing of the character.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Beetlejuice a "dark" character??? He may have been a ghost and evil... but he was far from dark, and resembled Keaton's Batman performance about 0%.

Moreover, I did not favor the casting of Keaton at all. That is another discussion.

Also a note... Hoffman as Penguin would be pretty sweet.

 

[Rock Sexton]

That should be your catchphrase.

........as long as I get to dub you "Soap Box" ...........

Regardless, Evans is NOT going to be performing all his own stunts. This much is clear.