First Avenger OFFICIAL: Chris Evans is Captain America

[Wolvieboy17]

got a question, do you think they're building this movie to be more of a box office success or more of a critical success (you rarely get both so lets not kid ourselves).

It seems like movies that are kinda eye candy and simple with good looking people will draw well in the box office and movies that are more thought provoking and well acted do mediocre in the box office.

Also, which would you rather have?

I'd rather a good movie. I don't care about either option, and I think it's silly to label it as one or the other. Iron Man did well both, as do a lot of movies of the genre.

 

[Rock Sexton]

So he has SUPER endurance. The way I see it is he's like Achilles in the beginning of Troy, when he fights that big guy. He's methodical, precise and strategic and uses his speed and the enemies size against them. He's not just a big, strong brawler, he has more finesse and style to his movement. Look at any Captain America fight panel in a comic, and its so much more than brute strength... and bearing that in mind, sheer muscle mass isn't really that important other than asthetic, and for aesthetics, how genuinely ripped he is really doesn't matter because its a movie.

..... That's fine. But it doesn't take away from the fact that Cap was also the pinnacle of size WITH endurance and agility. That is precisely what the SSS allowed him to be! So that is why some of us want Evans to bulk up....not to 300lbs ..... but add more muscle to the frame to get closer to what the actual character was.

 

[BestGirl]

got a question, do you think they're building this movie to be more of a box office success or more of a critical success (you rarely get both so lets not kid ourselves).

It seems like movies that are kinda eye candy and simple with good looking people will draw well in the box office and movies that are more thought provoking and well acted do mediocre in the box office.

Also, which would you rather have?

Since this movie is intended to be a blockbuster and (I assume) the start of a trilogy, the studio would probably prefer a box office success.

 

[TikkiEXX]

i dunno, its not the 80s anymore. people dont care too much about muscle bound studs these days. i agree with the notion that he should have more of an athletes build than a bodybuilders. noones gonna be impressed just because hes huge.

 

[3atman]

Yea, girls seems to like scrawney pretty boys instead of rugged manly men.

The reason behind this is because a lot of girls grow up with men problems either with their fathers not being around or with boys hurting them. So they tend to gravitate towards "men" who are more femenine because they trust more femenine people. That's a psychological answer straight from someone with a PhD too.

Anyways, I think as long as Captain looks like an olympian then it'll be fine. He doesn't need to be gigantic. I'm more concerned about the Rogers portions of the movies.

I'm just afraid they're going to Avatar or Transformers this thing and really only care about box office and make a movie with awful acting, cheesey dialogue, a generic story, but lots of fantastic cinematography. I would hate that.

 

[Nathan]

So he has SUPER endurance. The way I see it is he's like Achilles in the beginning of Troy, when he fights that big guy. He's methodical, precise and strategic and uses his speed and the enemies size against them. He's not just a big, strong brawler, he has more finesse and style to his movement. Look at any Captain America fight panel in a comic, and its so much more than brute strength... and bearing that in mind, sheer muscle mass isn't really that important other than asthetic, and for aesthetics, how genuinely ripped he is really doesn't matter because its a movie.

You know, that's actually a pretty good comparison. Cap is the pinnacle of human perfection, strength, stamina and agility. But he doesn't win his fights through pure strengths, he wins them because he's one of Marvel's best and efficient hand-to-hand fighters, with a unique fighting style that makes use of his shield. Like you said, being methodical, precise and strategic, that's how I want to see Cap win the fights.

 

[Rock Sexton]

i dunno, its not the 80s anymore. people dont care too much about muscle bound studs these days. i agree with the notion that he should have more of an athletes build than a bodybuilders. noones gonna be impressed just because hes huge.

They don't care eh? What about Thor?

Nobody here is saying he needs to look like a professional bodybuilder. Those of us who believe he needs to add some mass to his frame is to further encompass the whole look of Cap, not just part of it.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I'm just afraid they're going to Avatar or Transformers this thing and really only care about box office and make a movie with awful acting, cheesey dialogue, a generic story, but lots of fantastic cinematography. I would hate that.

first off, Avatar is a far cry from Transformers. Avatar made bank, but that's because James Cameron is a great storyteller. even if his story was fairly basic, he told it well. he's not in it just for the money, he's in it to give people experiences they've never felt before.

that being said...have you seen any of Joe Johnston's movies? they, too, are a far cry from many of the movies that have come out during the summer within the last few years that were made solely for the sake of making money. he's not Cameron by any means but his movies are very solid and often have genuinely great moments.

 

[Rock Sexton]

You know, that's actually a pretty good comparison. Cap is the pinnacle of human perfection, strength, stamina and agility. But he doesn't win his fights through pure strengths, he wins them because he's one of Marvel's best and efficient hand-to-hand fighters, with a unique fighting style that makes use of his shield. Like you said, being methodical, precise and strategic, that's how I want to see Cap win the fights.

So he can't do all that with a little more bulk? Why was he drawn that way then? He wins fights because a combination of brains, brawn, endurance, and agility. If he didn't need brawn, then the SSS would never have changed his overall body structure so dramatically..

 

[3atman]

I saw Wolfman almost soley because of Johnston. I thought it was "good" nothing spectacular, nothing I'd go out of my way to see again, but "good" or "solid". I'll have to see some more of his stuff.

BTW, I hated Avatar, I'm not impressed with fancy effects, I'm impressed with good acting, dialogue that's NOT "yea take that b****" which I believe, despite how awful it is, an actual line from Avatar.

 

[Project862006]

look at someone like Dwayne Johnson as big as he is he is very fast and athletic

 

[3atman]

Jesus you guys are still arguing over how he looks? As long as he's not fat or out of shape, it doesn't really matter in the long run. Craig Counsel has the ugliest batting stance I've ever seen but he got the job done while he was in his prime.

Can we discuss something other than how the movie is going to look? How about how they're going to market Evans? Or how they're going to portray Evans? Or maybe how emotional/angry/funny Evans' cap should be? You know, things that are really important.

 

[bluehulk]

Lol. Then you're going to be very lonely when you're 80 yrs old with a pot belly.

I know

 

[Octoberist]

love live Chris Evans

 

[Nathan]

So he can't do all that with a little more bulk? Why was he drawn that way then? He wins fights because a combination of brains, brawn, endurance, and agility. If he didn't need brawn, then the SSS would never have changed his overall body structure so dramatically..

And who says he won't have brawn? You don't always need giant muscles to knock someone's teeth out or cave someone's head in. He's been taken a serum, he can have gained more strength without gaining additional bulk like a body builder. Heck, Spider-Man easily pushes 10 tons without looking like Schwarzenegger.

 

[Octoberist]

i really think people are overlooking this topic of Evan's body type and what he 'should be'. I think he's in fine shape (not in Ryan Reynolds shape though but close). all he needs to do is train for the next couple of months and he'll be set.

If people complain about Evans still, I'm sorry but get out of your 'geek denial' and give the man a chance.

 

[co2]

Can we discuss something other than how the movie is going to look? How about how they're going to market Evans? Or how they're going to portray Evans? Or maybe how emotional/angry/funny Evans' cap should be? You know, things that are really important.

I will say that how the movie looks is of importance, but I agree with you. There are more important things to worry about. Evans has proven he can get into shape before, so if they decide to make him add a little more size, he will carry the physique of Cap just fine.
I'm more worried about his portrayal of Cap. But honestly, I can live with Evans. The biggest question of this film for me is Johnson.

 

[Rock Sexton]

And who says he won't have brawn? You don't always need giant muscles to knock someone's teeth out or cave someone's head in. He's been taken a serum, he can have gained more strength without gaining additional bulk like a body builder. Heck, Spider-Man easily pushes 10 tons without looking like Schwarzenegger.

Again, not asking him to have "giant muscles" .... we are asking him to bulk up to get closer to portraying the character he is playing. Spidey's always been lankey. Captain America has not. It's about remain as true to the character as possible.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I saw Wolfman almost soley because of Johnston. I thought it was "good" nothing spectacular, nothing I'd go out of my way to see again, but "good" or "solid". I'll have to see some more of his stuff.

BTW, I hated Avatar, I'm not impressed with fancy effects, I'm impressed with good acting, dialogue that's NOT "yea take that b****" which I believe, despite how awful it is, an actual line from Avatar.

well that's unfortunate. i really enjoyed Avatar despite the simplistic plot and dialogue. he told the story well, and i think that's why it resonated with so many people. on top of that i AM an effects nut...but that doesn't stop me from disliking 85% of Transformers 2.

in regard to Joe Johnston, you're right. he seems to be in the "solid" to "good" range. however, it's pretty clear to me that his movies are made because he genuinely wants to direct them from a creative standpoint and not just for the sake of money. the only thing i'm worried about is whether or not he'll step outside of "solid" to "good" and deliver a "GREAT" movie. i'm not worried that they're going to make it a dumb, effects extravaganza....ala Transformers or G.I. Joe.

 

[DorkyFresh]

can we move on from his physique? we've already established that he has a great build and even though he doesn't NEED to put on anymore muscle, a few more pounds wouldn't hurt.

the more you guys talk about his build/physique, the more shallow these boards feel.

 

[Rock Sexton]

can we move on from his physique? we've already established that he has a great build and even though he doesn't NEED to put on anymore muscle, a few more pounds wouldn't hurt.

the more you guys talk about his build/physique, the more shallow these boards feel.

Guess all of Marvel must've been a bunch of shallow motherlovers then for the way they draw the vast majority of their characters.

 

[Nathan]

It's about remain as true to the character as possible.

This is what I'm least concerned about. As long as he's well trained and cut and looks in top physical condition, I'm perfectly fine with him.

And as much as you want them to remain true to the comic depiction of Captain America, you need to realize that these aren't comics. In comics people are often drawn overly muscular or with a certain body type. Look at Magneto. For someone pushing 50-60 years or whatever, he was drawn freaking cut and looked like a body builder. Did you scream in outrage when Ian Mckellen portrayed him in the Movies?

 

[3atman]

the dialogue especially of Avatar completely took me out of it. With a simple story, you need good dialogue and great acting. Great acting can make a simple story into a great movie. Awful acting can make a great story into an awful movie.

You take a "dumb" movie with a very simple, predictable story, with generic to downright awful acting, with the most cheesey dialogue I have ever seen (I didn't see Trans2 because i refuse to watch crap movies) but add a crapload of effects that, granted, are groundbreaking and you have a movie that the stupid masses who want to check their brains out before the see a movie will flock to see. It's the same reason people listen to Lil Wayne, Hannah Montana, and Jonas, it's the same reason reality shows are still popular. People are dumb and they just want to see beautiful people/things do simple things and will swallow what they're told.

I'm not trying to put you down for liking Avatar, I just feel like it wasn't just simple, but was downright dumb. I'm using "dumb" not as a putdown on the movie, but as an abjective, just like I would use brown to describe tree bark. It was a dumb movie. The dialogue sounded like it was written by an 11 year old. The story was over long and boring. The acting, as you'd expect from that cast and as par the course in sci fi movies it seems, was awful. If it wasn't for the amazing effects, Avatar would have won a razzie.

Now that I've got my avatar rant out of my system I can continue cap discussion.

 

[Nathan]

Guess all of Marvel must've been a bunch of shallow motherlovers then for the way they draw the vast majority of their characters.

Not just Marvel. It's almost the entire comic industry. Everyone is either a hot babe or musclebound stud. Freaking Charles Xavier has been drawn ripped.

 

[3atman]

Guess all of Marvel must've been a bunch of shallow motherlovers then for the way they draw the vast majority of their characters.

No, in comics how you draw someone is part of storytelling. If a guy his ripped, that's the strength and intimidation in the comics, you have to draw big differences between the average joe and the super joe to make it more apparent. In movies, that's not the case, you do it more through action and subtleties.