First Avenger OFFICIAL: Chris Evans is Captain America

[Webhead2006]

totally evans is already in fine shape and given the 3 whole months we got to filming starts he has time to add some more muscles and all that. So i am sure he will look fine as SSS steve.

Also for me i havent seen much of those other films of evans like sunshine/london/street kings. But i do want to check them out in the near future myself.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Because comics are the height of realism.

I'm not saying to go quite the length of comics. I don't want the man to be 300 freaking pounds.

There is an intermediary that is still realistic. I just find it funny that some comic book fans can't believe agility is possible while being over Chris Evans 180 lbs.

 

[3atman]

Tobey was an awful choice for Spidey regardless. Spidey is supposed to be dorky not mentally ******ed like Tobey looks half the time. He's like if Gyllenhaal had a handicapped little brother.

I think the great thing about Evans (see, I'm being positive now) is that with his build, he could EASILY look scrawney and out of shape for Rogers if they dressed him in baggy clothes and gave him 3 weeks to cut weight after filming all the Cap stuff with muscle. Or even do that before they film the cap stuff and give him 3 weeks to bulk back up. Right now he looks very lean, which means he can look thin, also means he can gain weight.

 

[Rock Sexton]

totally evans is already in fine shape and given the 3 whole months we got to filming starts he has time to add some more muscles and all that. So i am sure he will look fine as SSS steve.

Also for me i havent seen much of those other films of evans like sunshine/london/street kings. But i do want to check them out in the near future myself.

I would like to see him around 210-215 lbs if at all possible. He has narrower shoulders and a slighter, lean cut frame so it'll be somewhat of a tough task.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

It's a COMBINATION..... not just one or the other. I only speak for myself (not the masses there Wolvie ), but I would like as close to a physical representation of the man as I can get (without destroying the realm of on-screen realism), as well as a true depiction on screen of his character and heroics.

They made Tobey wear a muscle suit in Spidey and Affleck well, that garbage reminded me nothing of the character.

You're a cheeky bastard Rock lol. Evans isn't a bean pole, and he wont have to bulk up much at all... and the line i highlighted kinda proves my point how the look isn't everything. Also, this Cap origin movie isn't exactly a stock standard Superhero movie either. No one is suggesting Cap shouldnt be buff, but peoples obsession with HOW buff he is seems kinda silly.

Also, I love how any time I comment on something beyond my own purview, it's somehow 'speaking for the masses'.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Tobey was an awful choice for Spidey regardless. Spidey is supposed to be dorky not mentally ******ed like Tobey looks half the time. He's like if Gyllenhaal had a handicapped little brother.

I think the great thing about Evans (see, I'm being positive now) is that with his build, he could EASILY look scrawney and out of shape for Rogers if they dressed him in baggy clothes and gave him 3 weeks to cut weight after filming all the Cap stuff with muscle. Or even do that before they film the cap stuff and give him 3 weeks to bulk back up. Right now he looks very lean, which means he can look thin, also means he can gain weight.

You know, I hadn't even thought about it that way ....... filming the scrawnier scenes at the end.

 

[Chewy]

K, those are the movies I've seen, plus I've seen only you. In ALL those movies he's a witty, charming smart a**. So yea, one dimensional to me. I think he's absolutely brillian at what he does, but he's not on "that" level IMO. I look foreward to seeing Chaplin and seeing if perhaps, like Sam Jackson, he's just been type cast. However it just seems like he's always the charming smart a**.

I would suggest you do. It's never really a good idea to label an actor as "fairly one-dimensional" unless you've seen enough of their work to know whether or not that's true

 

[Wolvieboy17]

........as long as I get to dub you "Soap Box" ...........

Regardless, Evans is NOT going to be performing all his own stunts. This much is clear.

Stan Lee had a Soap Box... gonna criticise him too? :P

 

[Rock Sexton]

You're a cheeky bastard Rock lol. Evans isn't a bean pole, and he wont have to bulk up much at all... and the line i highlighted kinda proves my point how the look isn't everything. Also, this Cap origin movie isn't exactly a stock standard Superhero movie either. No one is suggesting Cap shouldnt be buff, but peoples obsession with HOW buff he is seems kinda silly.

Also, I love how any time I comment on something beyond my own purview, it's somehow 'speaking for the masses'.

I'm an avid lifter ...... I'm 5'11 186 lbs .... I just am familiar with what his kind of size looks like in relation to Captain America. I'm not calling him a bean pole, but he's more lean, cut build than a "mass" build. Three months would give him ample time to tack on another 15 lbs or so. I suggest he do it.

 

[TikkiEXX]

i kinda like the way Evans is built now. not too bulky and kind of lithe. all he needs to do is tone up and get ripped. i dont want him to get all huge. the dudes in pretty good shape as it is.

 

[3atman]

Also a note... Hoffman as Penguin would be pretty sweet.

Besides being a boring cast in which Hoffman wouldn't have to be much different than he already has been then sure. It's the same reason I hate Depp as Riddler. the performance could be mailed in.

Back to cap. I personally have a small bone structure, which is what it looks like Evans has. I'm currently at 207, which is the heaviest I've ever been (I'm 6'), I workout a lot and was in my "mass" phase and I'm getting fat around my belly. I'm not lean and cut up. I'm guessing once I get done with my cutting phase I'll be around 190-195. I don't have a professional trainer or a diet made specifically for me and I have to eat what I can afford, which is usually at least 3 meals of Raman noodles.

I think Evans can look good as Cap. Besides, it's the movies and he'll be in war, which you wear a lot of clothes, or he'll be in the cap suit, which they can add a layer to make him look a little bigger. I wouldn't worry, it's really not that hard for an athletic person to change the way they look when they're determined and have top quality help.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Stan Lee had a Soap Box... gonna criticise him too? :P

Is Rock Sexton gonna have to slap-a-Stan?

 

[3atman]

I would suggest you do. It's never really a good idea to label an actor as "fairly one-dimensional" unless you've seen enough of their work to know whether or not that's true

Considering I've seen several RDJ films from different time periods and different styles of movies I'd say I have seen enough to judge. Plus I'm guessing he's still a charming smart a** in Chaplin considering it's a movie about Chaplin. I think Sam Jackson is a good actor, doesn't mean he's not, or at least, cast, as a one dimensional actor.

To keep on the topic of Cap, everyone is talking about his build as cap, what about his build as Rogers pre super serum? I don't expect him to go Bale machinist-BB and drop 70 then gain 100, but I'd like to see some dedication to phsyical transformation.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well I think we can assume Evans will at least attempt to do that, considering the role he's just agreed to take and the time he has before filming...

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Considering I've seen several RDJ films from different time periods and different styles of movies I'd say I have seen enough to judge. Plus I'm guessing he's still a charming smart a** in Chaplin considering it's a movie about Chaplin. I think Sam Jackson is a good actor, doesn't mean he's not, or at least, cast, as a one dimensional actor.

To keep on the topic of Cap, everyone is talking about his build as cap, what about his build as Rogers pre super serum? I don't expect him to go Bale machinist-BB and drop 70 then gain 100, but I'd like to see some dedication to phsyical transformation.

About as charming as a kiddie fiddler can be, i guess

 

[Nathan]

The point was that it is possible to move around athletically and display agility at a bulkier weight.

Yeah, it's possible to do a ton of blackflips. Astounding. I wanna see them pull off more complex movements that are in Cap's repertoire.

This nonsense that some are spouting that bulk is going to take away from his agility is nonsense, especially coming from comic book fans.

The point is, the pinnacle of human perfection isn't just to gain just big muscles. Everything about his physical condition has been pushed to the human limit. His agility, speed, stamina. He is not just about strength.

He's not just a NFL player who runs fast and tackles people and does the occasional backflip. He's an athlet and amazing hand-to-hand combatant. And when you train these two things, your body automatically adapts and becomes slimmer. Since hand-to-hand combat/martial arts isn't just about who's got the biggest muscles, but who's the quickest. Your muscles get smaller, but much more efficient. You become more lean than bulky.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Considering I've seen several RDJ films from different time periods and different styles of movies I'd say I have seen enough to judge. Plus I'm guessing he's still a charming smart a** in Chaplin considering it's a movie about Chaplin. I think Sam Jackson is a good actor, doesn't mean he's not, or at least, cast, as a one dimensional actor.

To keep on the topic of Cap, everyone is talking about his build as cap, what about his build as Rogers pre super serum? I don't expect him to go Bale machinist-BB and drop 70 then gain 100, but I'd like to see some dedication to phsyical transformation.

Good point about Jackson. Dude plays the same guy in nearly every role, that's what the people have grown to like about him. He has one tone and one tone only haha.

 

[3atman]

I imagine Cap looking like an Olympic Wrestler in the upper weight divisions. really though guys, this is hollywood, they can make a certified midget in Tom Cruise look like he's eye to eye with normal humans. It's not going to take much enignuity to make Evans look like a really fit bad mofo.

 

[WillardNation]

Back to cap. I personally have a small bone structure, which is what it looks like Evans has. I'm currently at 207, which is the heaviest I've ever been (I'm 6'), I workout a lot and was in my "mass" phase and I'm getting fat around my belly. I'm not lean and cut up. I'm guessing once I get done with my cutting phase I'll be around 190-195. I don't have a professional trainer or a diet made specifically for me and I have to eat what I can afford, which is usually at least 3 meals of Raman noodles.

I can relate. It sucks, especially since I do jiu jitsu and need to cut about 15 lbs for tournaments (I walk around at about 185 and compete at 170) which is really hard to do when all I can afford is the dollar menu lol.

 

[3atman]

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the pic of angle at the beginning is what I see Caps build as. He's not build like John Cena or Arnold, but he's not a lean smaller guy either.

The thing about the whole "hand to hand combat makes you lean" that's true in normal human beings. However, there are some people, who somehow have the muscular and cardio capacity to be incredibly quick, agile, and strong and still cary a sizeable amount of mass.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah, it's possible to do a ton of blackflips. Astounding. I wanna see them pull off more complex movements that are in Cap's repertoire.

At that size, ya it's astounding! That's why it was YouTube'd and featured on ESPN. ....... and complex moves like?

Regardless, again that is what stunt doubles and wires are going to be used for.

The point is, the pinnacle of human perfection isn't just to gain just big muscles. Everything about his physical condition has been pushed to the human limit. His agility, speed, stamina. He is not just about strength.

Never said it was. I stated earlier it's a "combination", but that to remain somewhat faithful to the character and idea of human perfection, Chris Evans will need to bulk up for the "size" department.

He's not just a NFL player who runs fast and tackles people and does the occasional backflip. He's an athlet and amazing hand-to-hand combatant. And when you train these two things, your body automatically adapts and becomes slimmer. Since hand-to-hand combat/martial arts isn't just about who's got the biggest muscles, but who's the quickest. Your muscles get smaller, but much more efficient. You become more lean than bulky.

Your body becomes slimmer? More like your body becomes more cut, because of all of the movement you are doing, especially if you're running around lifting and throwing a shield like that or weapons. You're still moving muscles when you're out there in the field. It's not like Captain America has been drawn in the comics just doing cardio and some P90X.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Your body becomes slimmer? More like your body becomes more cut, because of all of the movement you are doing, especially if you're running around lifting and throwing a shield like that or weapons. You're still moving muscles when you're out there in the field. It's not like Captain America has been drawn in the comics just doing cardio and some P90X.

Well logically, you would train a soldier more for endurance rather than strength, so an athletic runners physique would probably make more sense anyway.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Well logically, you would train a soldier more for endurance rather than strength, so an athletic runners physique would probably make more sense anyway.

.........but Cap isn't "just a solider" ..... The whole serum thing has allowed him to elevate past the status of most normal men who would need to remain more svelt in order to keep up endurance. He's a freak of human nature.... an Adonis in blue spandex lol.

 

[3atman]

got a question, do you think they're building this movie to be more of a box office success or more of a critical success (you rarely get both so lets not kid ourselves).

It seems like movies that are kinda eye candy and simple with good looking people will draw well in the box office and movies that are more thought provoking and well acted do mediocre in the box office.

Also, which would you rather have?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

.........but Cap isn't "just a solider" ..... The whole serum thing has allowed him to elevate past the status of most normal men who would need to remain more svelt in order to keep up endurance. He's a freak of human nature.

So he has SUPER endurance. The way I see it is he's like Achilles in the beginning of Troy, when he fights that big guy. He's methodical, precise and strategic and uses his speed and the enemies size against them. He's not just a big, strong brawler, he has more finesse and style to his movement. Look at any Captain America fight panel in a comic, and its so much more than brute strength... and bearing that in mind, sheer muscle mass isn't really that important other than asthetic, and for aesthetics, how genuinely ripped he is really doesn't matter because its a movie.