First Avenger OFFICIAL: Chris Evans is Captain America

[Raiden]

No I did not want him to play Cap but everyone seemed to think it was crazy he would turn it down.

I don't believe that Marvel had offered Tatum the role and he turned it down, because Marvel wouldn't have offered him in the first place. Also, I have never read a story about this actually happening, anyway.

 

[Raiden]

^ Translation: "I hated working with Tim Story, and I will never let him direct me again."

I think it's interesting how Evans kept talking about the importance of director which supercedes all other factors like script and even actors. He also talked about his new passion of starring in good movies, as opposed to before when he was just happy to be in a movie, regardless of its quality. I doubt he'd work with directors like Tim Story again, although with Fox's attempt to reboot F4, the chance of that happening is slim anyhow.

 

[roach]

I don't believe that Marvel had offered Tatum the role and he turned it down, because Marvel wouldn't have offered him in the first place. Also, I have never read a story about this actually happening, anyway.

why wouldnt Marvel offer him a job?
They invited him to audition so obviously they were considering him

 

[flickchick85]

I think it's interesting how Evans kept talking about the importance of director which supercedes all other factors like script and even actors. He also talked about his new passion of starring in good movies, as opposed to before when he was just happy to be in a movie, regardless of its quality. I doubt he'd work with directors like Tim Story again, although with Fox's attempt to reboot F4, the chance of that happening is slim anyhow.

Very interesting considering I'm pretty sure Tim Story was set to direct The Losers when Chris came on board that film.

 

[flickchick85]

why wouldnt Marvel offer him a job?
They invited him to audition so obviously they were considering him

That may be your answer right there. Whatever the case, we know the only person to be made the "official" offer was Evans. We never got a "Tatum offered the role" story, just a "Tatum invited to screentest" story.

 

[roach]

I think its people reading too much into it

 

[roach]

That may be your answer right there. Whatever the case, we know the only person to be made the "official" offer was Evans. We never got a "Tatum offered the role" story, just a "Tatum invited to screentest" story.

We heard that Tatum was offered the part but turned it down

 

[That-Guy]

Why does it matter now anyway? Even if they did offer it to Tatum, he wasn't cast (thank you God Almighty), so let's move on.

Also, I'm not sure why Evans' physique is suddently a point of contraversy here. If he gets as big as he was in F4, I actually think that will be just fine. If he bulked up to Mr. Olympus size like Cap is in the comics, he would be about as agile as a Mack Truck.

 

[flickchick85]

We heard that Tatum was offered the part but turned it down

We heard from Mike Fleming after Evans was cast that he was hearing Tatum passed - but we don't know what exactly he turned down. The only thing ever actually reported was that Tatum was offered the chance to screentest, and NONE of the trades ever reported that an official offer was made (as in, "the part is yours to decline") to Tatum like they did with Evans. So I'd say if he turned down anything, it was whatever their screentest offer was, just like Hedlund passed on it. So clearly, they were giving terms up front (you know, the pay, the 9-picture deal, etc), so that they wouldn't waste people's time screentesting if they didn't want the deal in the first place. You know somebody would've been all over it if an actual offer had been made, just like they were when the offer was made to Evans. It would've been a huge deal.

 

[RogueDK]

Well, what's done is done. Evans will be Captain America and I wish him well in the role. This could definetely put him on the A-list for actors if he nails it.

Frankly, at this point, I'm more worried about the design of Cap's costume and Johnston directing than I am about Evans casting.

 

[Rock Sexton]

If he bulked up to Mr. Olympus size like Cap is in the comics, he would be about as agile as a Mack Truck.

This is not the argument.

He should be a step up from his size in F4 though...... but when you've got the SSS flowing thru your veins you're supposed to do unbelievable things so in theory agility would nay be affected if he was muscle-bound, even though none of us are asking for the 300lb John Cena versions of Cap.

People are acting like this is "real life" we are talking about.

 

[Brian Braddock]

A production is still bound by the 'real life' laws of gravity and weight though, as are it's actors; unless, of course, you are suggesting that Evans get massive and they just use CG for the acrobatic stunt scenes? or even worse, wire work?

Hell, not even the acrobatics. Cap's supposed to be lithe and move like a coiled spring. How is Evans going to run as fast and move as well with all the added bulk to his frame? Bulk that he's not going to be used to........

Evans would actually need the SSS to be able to do what you're asking.

Kind of ironic, really.

 

[Rock Sexton]

A production is still bound by the 'real life' laws of gravity and weight though, as are it's actors; unless, of course, you are suggesting that Evans get massive and they just use CG for the acrobatic stunt scenes? or even worse, wire work?

So now we're going to get even more semantical and talk "production" eh? Obviously they could use whatever means necessary to generate the out of this world agility and maneuverability Cap has. Goes without saying. Let me ask you a question..... when Blonsky did that amazing bounce off the metal into an aerial and shot his gun down at The Hulk, do you think that was "in real life" or perhaps "without" wires????

Hell, not even the acrobatics. Cap's supposed to be lithe and move like a coiled spring. How is Evans going to run as fast and move as well with all the added bulk to his frame? Bulk that he's not going to be used to........

Evans would actually need the SSS to be able to do what you're asking.

Kind of ironic, really.

Not ironic really. Being nimble and running around IS possible my dear Holmes at a weight over 180lbs. NFL running backs are fleet of foot at 210-215 lbs ..... that's what I'm asking for ..........

 

[Iceman]

210 - 215 lbs sounds about right.

 

[Brian Braddock]

So now we're going to get even more semantical and talk "production" eh? Obviously they could use whatever means necessary to generate the out of this world agility and maneuverability Cap has. Goes without saying. Let me ask you a question..... when Blonsky did that amazing bounce off into the metal into an aerial and shot his gun down at The Hulk, do you think that was "in real life" or perhaps "without" wires????

It was a stunt double who didnt have the bulk that you're expecting Evans to have, and the stunt double for Evans still has to approximate him in size otherwise it's going to be way to apparent.

Not ironic really. Being nimble and running around IS possible my dear Holmes at a weight over 180lbs. NFL running backs are fleet of foot at 210-215 lbs ..... that's what I'm asking for ..........

Yeah, yeah, I'm well aware you keep going on about this footballer who can do backflips over and over again, Watson.

Any actual stuntmen who look similiar to Evans in terms of height and skin colour you can suggest instead?

 

[Rock Sexton]

It was a stunt double who didnt have the bulk that you're expecting Evans to have, and the stunt double for Evans still has to approximate him in size otherwise it's going to be way to apparent.

It was a stunt double on "wires" ..... and if you're on "wires" you can do practically anything...... Like they couldn't find a stunt double at various different sizes....

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Yeah, yeah, I'm well aware you keep going on about this footballer who can do backflips over and over again, Watson.

Any actual stuntmen who look similiar to Evans in terms of height and skin colour you can suggest instead?

Actually since you keep deviating from the argument, that football player was a DE ...... I'm not even talking about that anymore. I'm talking about running backs are as agile as you could ever dream at 210-215 ..... which you keep dismissing because you have very little familiarity with athletics and fitness judging by your comments.

I don't know the stunt men by name. Do you know them all? Give me a break. They have all the tools at their disposal, whether it's wires, stunt ment, CGI ..... this thing isn't grounded in "real life" production where I'm expecting Chris to run a 2.4 forty yard dash or 40 mph throughout the entire film for 2 hours straight. They even used camera tricks with the way Blonsky was running in that scene with the Hulk.

 

[Nathan]

I'm simply not bothered about additional bulk, because the idea of a perfect body has changed over the years. As long as he looks like he did in Fantastic Four, only more cut and defined, he'll be fine.

He's still beating people down that are bigger than him. So additional bulk doesn't really emphasize how strong he is, since his opponent that he's beating on looks much bigger, but gets the **** kicked out anyway.

And there are so many people that are just buff and are all show. I think it'd be interesting if, after he juiced up on the Serum, some other Soldiers talk smack about him, because he doesn't look all that special. Sure, he's buffed up, but they still look bigger than him. I think it would be fun if you've got some big muscle head challeging him to a round of arm wrestling and Cap is beating him easily.

 

[Rock Sexton]

And there are so many people that are just buff and are all show. I think it'd be interesting if, after he juiced up on the Serum, some other Soldiers talk smack about him, because he doesn't look all that special. Sure, he's buffed up, but they still look bigger than him. I think it would be fun if you've got some big muscle head challeging him to a round of arm wrestling and Cap is beating him easily.

See I loathe that idea. It's already been done. The whole "I always thought you'd be bigger" crack that we've seen a few times with guys like Snake Plissken and William Wallace.

 

[C. Lee]

You know....I used to be able to name about 80% of the top stunt men by sight....so yeah, some people most likely can name them now.

And....Rock, you seem to be arguing just to be arguing.

 

[DorkyFresh]

in an attempt to squash the talk about Evans's physique, i think we can all agree that Evans needs to bulk up and will need to fill out his suit...but at the same time i dont think any of us expect him to look like a WWE wrestler. he should look similar to Hugh Jackman's build, which Evans will most likely be able to accomplish.


now can we please talk about something else other than Evans's muscles (or lack there of)?

 

[Nathan]

now can we please talk about something else other than Evans's muscles (or lack there of)?

Ok then, so, I read the Invaders would appear in the movie? Of which characters did that team consist of?

 

[Rock Sexton]

You know....I used to be able to name about 80% of the top stunt men by sight....so yeah, some people most likely can name them now.

And....Rock, you seem to be arguing just to be arguing.

Well you sir are cut above. Not being sarcastic. That takes a special degree of interest and observation.

I'm not arguing just to be arguing. I mentioned he needs to be bulked up and then I get the same straw-man response "Well we don't need him to be 300lbs" ...... when that's not what I was saying. Then I get the response that we have to factor in "real life" production limitations, to which I laugh at given the nature of CGI, wires, etc, etc ...... oh and guys that hit the scales at 210-215 can't be agile. I'm sorry, that's just the most dense and naive conclusion anyone could come to.

Pardon me for refuting these statements. BTW, here's a neat clip of how they made Blonsky run so fast......

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[Nathan]

Man... I hate that scene. It looked totally silly. It was almost like he was flying above the ground.

 

[Rock Sexton]

.....i think we can all agree that Evans needs to bulk up and will need to fill out his suit...but at the same time i dont think any of us expect him to look like a WWE wrestler. he should look similar to Hugh Jackman's build, which Evans will most likely be able to accomplish.

Exactly .........plus, don't forget that all we are saying is give peace a chance!

I want Evans to hit more than vanity muscles (i.e. arms, chest, abs) ....hit those lats, back, shoulders, and legs man..... really fill out that suit.

 

[terry78]

Every casting thread gets strangely homoerotic at some point.