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Iron Man 2 OFFICIAL: Rate & Review Iron Man 2

How did you like Iron Man 2?

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  • 1 - Geesh, this movie sucks! :cmad:

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"Tony doesn't seem to have any other way out apart from using the arm machines again. Yes we do see him remove the helmet and gloves at one point in part 1, but the whole suit?"

He's a genius, the kind of guy who thinks of everything, you really think he wouldn't build emergency release catches into every part of the armour. He'd have to in order to remove damaged parts as he did in movie 1.

"In the party scene, we see Rhodey run down to the garage and the armor's are all in the display cages (like how Batman displays costumes in the cave), and then we begin to see Rhodey armor up. The machines are attaching the suit and then next we have the party fight scene (awesome and fun). My questions are, how does Rhodey control the suit without prior use, and doesn't the suit require JARVIS to be operational?"

Tony knows he is dying, he 'leaves' the Mk II to Rhodey by allowing him to take it without needing any codes. He doesn't of course tell him because he's the kind of stubborn man's man who keeps his feelings and emotions to himself

"Then another major problem I have with the movie is the discovery of the new element. Tony gets this by using a table thingy his father had back in the 1970's. Tony gets JARVIS to scan the table top which has the city area of the Stark Expo, and from here, Tony is able to work out that by removing things, he can discover a new element. How?

I don't understand this because with this logic, they are implying that Tony's father knew technology would advance to the point where Tony would have a system like JARVIS. Seriously I mean, without JARVIS and the tech he has, there is no way Tony would've worked it out. Yet everyone seems to know that Howard Stark was almost there and Tony just needed to crack the last part. But seriously, how?"

Howard discovered a new element but didn't have the tech to synthesize it back then so he 'hid' the molecular diagram (or whatever those are called) in the layout for the Stark Expo. i.e. the positions of the buildings were marking out the positions and types of the molecules required, hence why tony removed the pathways and vegetation. He could have done it with a plan of the map on a piece of paper, he used Jarvis and the whole holographic thing because it's infinitely cooler.
 
good points. thank you very much for clearing that up :)
 
I think one of the factors why this movie isn't as beloved as part one is because of Tony Stark himself.

One of the great things about part one was Tony's character development: from a completely unlikeable jerk he turned into a likeable and noble guy with wit, charm, playfulness and unpredictability. This caused the audience to root for Tony.

In part two, Tony reverts back into his unlikeable jerk persona seen in part one before he met Yensin, the man who changed his outlook in life. It seems as if he forgot all about his experience in Afghanistan. This caused the audience not to care what happens to the character.

The filmmakers were unable to emphasize he strength of the character unlike in part one. They focused too much on banter and Tony being a complete a$$hole. I don't remember one emotional scene in this movie involving Stark, all I remember is Stark saying one liners. In part one, my fave parts are the emotional moments.

They could repair this in part 3. Instead of portraying Tony as someone who forgot Yensin and Afghanistan like they did in part two, they should focus on Tony still trying to make himself a better man.

The appeal of Iron Man is not just on improving and developing the armor and the tech, but most importantly in improving and developing the MAN. Part two got the former, the latter got neglected.
 
I disagree, I thought him talking about his emotionally distant father and then watching his old movie was a good emotional element. Even though he´s still much of a jerk, he´s definitely more well-meaning than he was in the first one.
 
Well you have a point certainly. The redemptive qualities of IM are not really prevalent here & that was one of the best things about it. IM2 seems to be going more exclusively for the wit/comedy angle throughout which makes it less impactful overall.

Aside from that the thing that is a bit disappointing (surprisingly) is the lack of good action set pieces until the end, althought the fight alongside War Machine is seriously awesome! Scarlett also kicks ass with her few minutes.
 
I want Tony to be the witty, playful, and naughty guy with the heart of gold. The heart of gold barely existed in part two. They were so focused on the one liners and the humor that they forgot to show his heart of gold. This turned Tony into an unlikeable guy. And he was so likable in part one which is what disappointed me the most. He doesn't seem human in part 2, more like a loony toons character.

the movie still gets a B from me since the production and effects are top notch.
 
I thought the first Iron Man Whiplash fight is the best action scene from both movies.
 
Oh Mr director sure got alot of screentime....

and even a scene with [blackout] ScarJo undressing? Get out! :)[/blackout]
 
yeah this movie was slightly disappointing.

I'll just be quick to say what i didnt like:

- No terrence howard, he's sorely missed...
-Cheadle just sucks, he's tooo military, and turns into a bad guy then good guy again?? no way.
- mickey rourkes bad russian accent, and rockwells unnecessary over-the-topness does not equate to the awesomeness of jeff bridges.
- one whiplash scene??
-Dark knight prison/interrogation/escape knock-off
-sam jackson saying iron mans not in the avengers anymore, but an advisor???
-Messy story, poor pacing
-downey rambling, and ranting constantly
-desk spinny thingy scene.... also strawberry scene... SUPERFLUOUS!!
-iron man drunken dance. does every marvel hero have to dance?!?!
-howard stark home movie bloopers... silly
-5 mins of cheerleaders :(
-jon favs giving himself WAYY too much screentime.

all in all, i reallly didnt like it, and loooved part 1.
 
yeah this movie was slightly disappointing.

I'll just be quick to say what i didnt like:

- No terrence howard, he's sorely missed...
-Cheadle just sucks, he's tooo military, and turns into a bad guy then good guy again?? no way.

Yea there seems to be something missing in the War Machine department :csad:

-iron man drunken dance. does every marvel hero have to dance?!?!

Lol....
 
The problem with War Machine for me was, the lack of character developlemt. We know he is in the air force, but what else do we know about him from the filmverse?
 
Am I the only person who thought the fight between drunk tony in the suit aginst rhody in the suit was just embarrassing?
 
Am I the only person who thought the fight between drunk tony in the suit aginst rhody in the suit was just embarrassing?

No. It really was embarrassing.
 
Am I the only person who thought the fight between drunk tony in the suit aginst rhody in the suit was just embarrassing?

I didn't mind it, until Stark decided to play music.
 
I think it´s kinda meant to be that way, I mean, it shows how low Tony got, being drunk in the armor and everything. It´s not nearly as irritating as Peter Parker doing emo John Travolta IMO.
 
I think it´s kinda meant to be that way, I mean, it shows how low Tony got, being drunk in the armor and everything. It´s not nearly as irritating as Peter Parker doing emo John Travolta IMO.

NEVER speak of that movie!
 
It's just as bad imo. At least emo parker dancing was somewhat funny because of how stupid it was but the ironboys fighting stiffly and the music was just cringing. I couldn't wait for it to be over.
 
Am I the only person who thought the fight between drunk tony in the suit aginst rhody in the suit was just embarrassing?

I thought it was embarrassing too. I thought that if Stark was drunk at all while Iron Man, he should've been fighting Whiplash, and Whiplash would've given him a thorough beating, humiliating him and acting as a wake up call to Tony. Also, I would've liked it if a drunk Iron Man tried to rescue a toxic gas tanker but ended up botching the job, like in Iron Man #128 (Demon in a Bottle). That would've been much better than the IM/WM fight and would've added some emotional weight and seriousness and would've been less embarrassing.
 
I thought it was embarrassing too. I thought that if Stark was drunk at all while Iron Man, he should've been fighting Whiplash, and Whiplash would've given him a thorough beating, humiliating him and acting as a wake up call to Tony. Also, I would've liked it if a drunk Iron Man tried to rescue a toxic gas tanker but ended up botching the job, like in Iron Man #128 (Demon in a Bottle). That would've been much better than the IM/WM fight and would've added some emotional weight and seriousness and would've been less embarrassing.

That would of been much better. I felt the film was missing some action beats.
 
It's just as bad imo. At least emo parker dancing was somewhat funny because of how stupid it was but the ironboys fighting stiffly and the music was just cringing. I couldn't wait for it to be over.

At least it had a better context IMO, cuz Tony DOES drink a lot and is kind of a party hound, not to mention it was his way of dealing with the depression of his imminent death. Emo dancing Peter was just totally in the wrong context IMO.
 
Regardless, both were horribly executed and just embarrassing.
 
The thing about Tony's drunkenness in IM2 is that it wasn't firmly established in the movie that Tony was becoming an alcoholic and was drinking far too much. The party scene looked more like he was just trying to drown his sorrows, not that he was abusing alcohol (yet again). It looked more like a one-off occurrence than a regular pattern which was spiralling out of control. There should've been some earlier instances of Tony being slightly drunk (instead of Pepper just saying "have you been drinking?") as I don't think the audience would've picked that up enough. I think that the scene could've even played out exactly the same if it had been set up better before and occurred at a different point in the movie, or there had been a later scene with a drunk Iron Man fighting Whiplash and losing.
 
When I began reading the negative and mixed reviews for Iron Man 2, I started formulating a review in my head, based on what I was expecting. I had a phrase in my head - "It's better to be a spectacular failure than a mild success." I was going to talk about how the film strives to be something different, how it focuses on character development over action and plays against the expectations of the mainstream, and though it might not quite work, it's still better than just an efficient summer blockbuster that ticks all the boxes without really aspiring to be anything more memorable. Sadly, upon seeing the film, I find myself still using that, "It's better to be a spectacular failure than a mild success" analogy, but not in the way I was expecting.

See, Iron Man 2 is not a bad film. There isn't really anything seriously wrong with it. It's good, I enjoyed it. But I've already pretty much forgotten it. It was an efficient summer blockbuster. It ticks all the boxes. It was, well, a mild success.

But first, the good stuff. Like in the first film, what really elevates the movie is the strength of the ensemble cast. And once again, absolutely the star of the show is Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark. Even before Iron Man, Robert Downey Jr was one of my favorite actors, and in my opinion he was one of the finest actors of his generation. He just has so much charm and charisma, he could make two hours of reading the phone book compelling. And Tony Stark is just the perfect role for him. Like Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow, it is the perfect outlet for bringing his off-kilter appeal screaming into the mainstream. His role in Iron Man was a superstar performance, and though it might not be his BEST work from an ac-tor standpoint, it certainly deserves to long stand as his iconic, calling-card signature role that he'll be remembered for, like Indiana Jones is for Harrison Ford or James Bond is for Sean Connery.

Thankfully, Downey Jr. once again knocks the ball out of the park as Stark in Iron Man 2, starting with what should come to be ranked with the great entrances of cinema. With "Shoot to Thrill" by AC/DC blaring, Iron Man jumps out of a plane, and the camera follows him as he plummets through the sky. It's an adreanline rush, the thrill of pure cinema. Then Iron Man lands, amidst a scene of fireworks and dancing showgirls, the crowd bursting into applause as the suit is removed to reveal Tony Stark in a smart suit (a clever play on James Bond's entrance in Goldfinger - Favreau has said that Stark is the American Bond, after all), and then Stark joins in with the dancing just in time for the big drum-bashing finale. The crowd goes wild. It's audacious, it's egomaniacal, and it's totally perfect. This is a superhero unlike any other we've seen at the movies.

Plenty of reviews have bashed the film for not having Iron Man show up enough. But let's face it - what made Iron Man so great was that it was a rare instance of the hero being every bit as compelling - if not moreso - when he's out of his costume, such is the appeal of Robert Downey Jr. I could watch a 2 hour film about Tony Stark going out for a night on the town, with no Iron Man in sight. Though that's not to say Iron Man doesn't deliver too - I'll get to the spectacular Monaco setpiece in a bit, but right now I'll mark out what was so great about the brawl with War Machine in Stark's home. It's about the characters first. Rather than just being "Okay, now we stop the story to have a fight scene", it grows organically out of the scene and the characters. Tony Stark drunkenly dancing and pissing himself in his costume naturally extends to him getting reckless and putting his guests in danger, which in turn naturally segues into getting into a drunken brawl with Rhodey. And that's what's so fun about the fight. It's correographed like a sluggish drunken brawl - only with guys in suits of armor. Hilarious.

But it's not all style and no substance for Mr. Stark. His showmanship is undercut by this great sense of sadness, loneliness, and even a sense of inadequacy when compared to his father, and a growing sense of desperation over his time running out, the very technology that saved his life slowly killing him. There is a whole lot of pathos in the moment where Stark asks Natasha, "What if this was the last birthday you'd ever have?" Tony Stark is a character with layers and nuances, self-destructive and stubborn, a flawed hero who's problems aren't neatly resolved by film's end. We get a sense his development is ongoing.

But enough gushing about Robert Downey Jr. I think the point I'm making is clear. A much worse film than Iron Man 2 could have been single-handedly kept afloat purely by the awesomeness of Downey Jr's Stark. But thankfully, this film has more to recommend it.

If it weren't for the magnetic lead, Sam Rockwell would come perilously close to stealing the show as Justin Hammer. For many years, I've recognized Sam Rockwell as a fantastic talent, long criminally underrated, but thankfully starting to get some well-deserved recognition now. Empire Magazine calls him The 27%er, in that he makes any film he appears in at least 27% better. And Iron Man 2 is no exception. Rumor has it that Rockwell was Favreau's back-up to play Tony Stark should the studios have balked on Robert Downey Jr, so it's oddly appropriate that Rockwell play this odious, cringing funhouse mirror image of Stark. Hammer works hard at the coolness and the wit that comes naturally to Stark - it's a studied charm, a false charisma. And while Stark is a genius, Hammer's technology falls apart and is frequently ineffective. Even the girl on his arm is the one Stark already bedded in the last film. Try as he might, Justin Hammer just can't be Tony Stark.

In this way, perhaps even moreso than Rourke's Vanko, Justin Hammer just might be the perfect nemesis for Stark. I would certainly love to see Sam Rockwell return to the role in the future. He is the best thing in just about every scene he's in, making Hammer funny and almost likeable - until the mask drops and he reveals his nasty true colors in one scene later on in the movie.

Not that the other villain is any slouch. The first film had the legendary Jeff Bridges as the bad guy, so to keep up the high standard, the sequel got Sam Rockwell AND Mickey Rourke. Good luck keeping that momentum going in film 3. If Hammer is the funhouse mirror reflection of Stark, then Ivan Vanko is the opposite side of the same coin. A genius who built his revolutionary technology with limited resources, only without the moral awakening Stark benefitted from - as much his father's son as Stark is. Mickey Rourke has long been a precocious talent, his screen presence walking the fine line between magnetic and awkward. When that abrasive, edgy persona of his is focused - like in Sin City and The Wrestler - the results are extraordinary. Here he is not quite so successful, but it's no disaster either. Rourke doesn't seem to be obviously phoning it in as he does sometimes when the material doesn't compel him. It's clear he's taking the role of Whiplash seriously, and as such he brings a palpable sense of danger and coiled-up fury into his characterisation.

Much of the film's first act is anchored by the inevitable collision course brewing between Vanko and Stark - Stark's excess and glamorous high life balanced against Vanko losing that which he holds dearest, and fighting his way up from the gutter to strike out against the only person left to blame for a whole lifetime of anguish, bitterness and percieved injustice ("That should be you up there", his dying father tells him as they watch Tony Stark on TV). It all comes to a head on the Monaco race track, the most thrilling action set-piece of the movie. I silently commended Favreau for setting up a different villain dynamic than just "bad guy in a bigger suit of armor." But it turns out I was a bit premature.

After this intense battle, we get an equally intense verbal confrontation between Robert Downey Jr and Mickey Rourke - one of those great examples of two actors just owning the screen and generating explosive chemistry - but then Vanko spends over an hour just sitting around, in various locations. And when he does come back towards the end, it's as - sigh - a bad guy in a bigger suit of armor. And oddly, he feels less threatening in this instance than he did on the Monaco race track. I cited the same problem with Jeff Bridges as Obidiah Stane VS Iron Monger, or indeed Tim Roth as Emil Blonsky VS Abomination. A great actor is always going to make for a more compelling bad guy than a special effect will.

As for the rest of the cast, Gwyneth Paltrow continues to shine as Pepper Potts. Too often the female leads in superhero films are simpering damsels in distress, but Pepper Potts is the perfect foil for Tony Stark, and actually feels like his match. They actually have a good chemistry when on-screen together, with the back-and-forth line exchanges - so that we don't actually view these "lovey dovey" scenes as the boring lowpoint of the film, just padding in space until we get to the good stuff. And as struggling CEO this time round, Paltrow gets to explore new territory - including hints of ambition from someone so long known for her selflessness, interestingly - rather than just rehashing what she did in the first film. Don Cheadle makes for a better Rhodey than Terrence Howard, so I for one was happy with the changeover. Funnily enough, though, despite getting to become War Machine in this film, Rhodey isn't given all that much more to do in this film than he was in the first one. Samuel L. Jackson essentially just plays Nick Fury as Samuel L. Jackson, but I happen to find the Samuel L. Jackson on-screen persona consistently entertaining, so I didn't really mind that. And in a brief cameo, John Slattery brings a good serving of his Roger Sterling from Mad Men cool to Howard Stark, making him a perfect choice to play Tony Stark's dad.

I don't really buy the whole "building towards The Avengers hurts this movie" argument, as there is in fact comparatively little overt building to that movie here - most plot developments, apart from a certain "New Mexico incident", all link back to what's going on in Iron Man 2. But the inclusion of Black Widow was to me a clear instance of "one character too many" syndrome. Yes, Scarlett Johanssen does kick ass in her one big fight scene, as glimpsed in the trailers. But even that feels contrived, as if it was shoehorned into the movie just to give her character SOMETHING to do. Aside from that, Black Widow (who is never actually called that in the film) does little other than stand around and cast furtive glances.

But in spite of all that there is to like about the film, it feels like a lot of likeable bits and pieces, rather than an impressive whole. The plot itself is rather messy, some hashed together set pieces seperated by a bunch of aimless driving around. Actually, I find my conclusion about the movie to be rather similar to what my thoughts were on the first film: the plot is fairly pedestrian and unremarkable, but the strength of the acting - particularly from Robert Downey Jr - makes the film much more than the sum of its parts. I don't know if it was because the plotting was tighter in the first film, or just because back then there was more of a novelty factor, but I just feel that Iron Man pulled off that formula more effectively than Iron Man 2 did. Still a good film, though.

***/*****
 
Am I the only person who thought the fight between drunk tony in the suit aginst rhody in the suit was just embarrassing?
No, it was embarrassing & not only in the way intended :csad:

I thought the first Iron Man Whiplash fight is the best action scene from both movies.
I didn't love it. Prefer the fight alongside War Machine & also the civilian rescue from IM1.
 
Just got back from seeing it. It was good, but nothing special.

RDJ delivers another solid performance. He is Tony Stark for my money. Paltrow was as good as ever as Pepper, with a nice expanded role. Cheadle was much better in the role of Rhodey. Scarlet was nothing but mere eye candy. O'Rourke was decent, but nothing special. Bridges was way more menacing and memorable as Obidiah Stane. And Sam Rockwell was entertaining with a pretty one dimensional character. But like Whip Lash, he was nothing special.

The first movie was much better, IMO. The pacing was all off in this movie.
The action was a mixed bag, too. The first fight with drunk Tony and Rhodey was just embarrassing. And the fights with Whip Lash were too short.
Overall I give it a 7/10.
 
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