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[ElMariachi]

If Mandarin's magical rings are farfetched then how is the audience going to accept Thanos' Infinity Gauntlet or Tony's recovery in IM2 and IM3?

Easy question to answer. Thanos is an Avenger villain, not an Iron Man one. A comic faithful Mandarin undermines the Gauntlet, for starters. Which character would your prefer to boast all-powerful handwear? The average moviegoer will be underwhelmed by the Gauntlet if they already saw it in Iron Man 3.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Easy question to answer. Thanos is an Avenger villain, not an Iron Man one. A comic faithful Mandarin undermines the Gauntlet, for starters. Which character would your prefer to boast all-powerful handwear? The average moviegoer will be underwhelmed by the Gauntlet if they already saw it in Iron Man 3.

Your idea of what does and doesn't constitute "realism" in a comic book movie is so malleable its almost meaningless.

 

[Norek]

What are you getting out of this besides trolling the people who actually liked the movie?

You're unbelievably mistaken and arrogant for calling people trolling if they have a negative opinion on something. Or you simply don't know what trolling means. You're taking criticism of this movie way too personally, which you shouldn't.

You all have your minds made up on the movie, so there isn't any interesting discussion to be had on the movie.

You mean you don't have your mind made up? And is really a place where 100% of the people are praising and calling something brilliant is a place for a more interesting discussion?

 

[ElMariachi]

Loki was able to control minds with his sceptre in Avengers, Mandarin is able to control minds with his ring in the comics.

Is it magic or alien technology? Humans can't tell the difference. Advanced technology that you can't understand is magic, at least in a metaphorical sense.

Tony's flying armour parts don't work on any scientific principle that exists today. They are as "magic" as is a ring that can control minds.

Nor does the transporter from Star Trek. Or phasers and lightspeed. The difference is they are believable fantasy. The Iron Man suit and arc reactor are the same thing. A magic ring is straight up fantasy. The Makulans may as have crafted the rings in Mount Doom. This stuff works in Thor or Avengers but it would bog down a sci-fi like Iron Man.

Mind control in Iron Man 3, right after it was used in Avengers undermines both films. It doesn't make Loki or Mandarin that unique.

 

[Norek]

Your idea of what does and doesn't constitute "realism" in a comic book movie is so malleable its almost meaningless.

Yes. This is a world of science, magic, aliens, metahumans and whatnot - realism is really a murky word to throw around when talking about abilities and powers in superhero movies.

 

[Incredible Hans]

The general audience will accept anything if it's presented in a logical/plausible way.

Yes, and technobabble can explain almost everything.

A good script writer could come up with a (pseudo-)scientific explanation why codpieces can fly and why rings can control minds.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Yes. This is a world of science, magic, aliens, metahumans and whatnot - realism is really a murky word to throw around when talking about abilities and powers in superhero movies.

For him, "teleporters," "fire-breathing humans," and "long distance remote control robot suits" are realistic, but a power ring that could freeze someone isn't... and mind control isn't.

Oh, and Mandarin's rings are unrealistic in the MCU because he's an Iron Man villain... but Thanos' Gauntlet is fine because he's an Avengers villain.

I don't know what he means by "realistic" anymore... he's making my brain hurt trying to comprehend all the twists and flip flops here.

 

[ElMariachi]

Because we have a valid opinion and want to discuss it, same as everyone else?

And I can't think of anyone here who has said they hated everything in the movie, just that they didn't like certain things. Most of us have also freely admitted what we liked.

This "you guys don't like this about the movie so you must be trolling" schtick is tiresome.

Please.

You all have been on here for days stating how badly this movie sucked and how disappointed you all were. What exactly are you getting out of this bizarre schadenfreude? You have your minds made up on the film, what more is there to gain through discussion?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Easy question to answer. Thanos is an Avenger villain, not an Iron Man one. A comic faithful Mandarin undermines the Gauntlet, for starters. Which character would your prefer to boast all-powerful handwear? The average moviegoer will be underwhelmed by the Gauntlet if they already saw it in Iron Man 3.

Yet the foundation against the fantastical Mandarin and his power rings is rooted in that a villain of a 'sorcerer' nature for Iron Man is too deep-end for the franchise. However, Thanos and his mighty Gaunlet is the exemption.

I'm not a purist. I'm quite flexible, in fact, but it seems to me that a few fans are solely coming up with excuses as to why the Mandarin received such an unorthodox makeover and twist. Judging by the way things unfolded, either Black and Marvel Studios truly thought this version of the villain worked, or the Chinese funding played an intricate factor.

 

[Incredible Hans]

Nor does the transporter from Star Trek. Or phasers and lightspeed. The difference is they are believable fantasy. The Iron Man suit and arc reactor are the same thing. A magic ring is straight up fantasy. The Makulans may as have crafted the rings in Mount Doom. This stuff works in Thor or Avengers but it would bog down a sci-fi like Iron Man.

Mind control in Iron Man 3, right after it was used in Avengers undermines both films. It doesn't make Loki or Mandarin that unique.

Come on! Even I could come up with a technobabble explanation why a ring can control minds! It's not that difficult and by no means it is more fantasy than a flying codpiece!

And for mind control being used in two films... the Tesseracts was used by the villain in Captain America and Avengers. Did that make Red Skull less unique?

(Besides, Mandarin has nine other rings, so it wouldn't be necessary to center the plot around the mind control ring)

 

[ThePhantasm]

Please.

You all have been on here for days stating how badly this movie sucked and how disappointed you all were. What exactly are you getting out of this bizarre schadenfreude? You have your minds made up on the film, what more is there to gain through discussion?

You seem to think discussion forums are for proselytizing people to your opinion. That's not how I think about them at all. I just enjoy the exchange of ideas, sharing my opinion, and analyzing the film. Just because my analysis is critically negative doesn't mean I have to shut up and leave.

I understand it is easier for you to question our motives than actually interact with our arguments, but could we return to discussing the film?

 

[Incredible Hans]

Please.

You all have been on here for days stating how badly this movie sucked and how disappointed you all were. What exactly are you getting out of this bizarre schadenfreude? You have your minds made up on the film, what more is there to gain through discussion?

 

[ElMariachi]

Your idea of what does and doesn't constitute "realism" in a comic book movie is so malleable its almost meaningless.

It's not a realism thing, it's a 'what will look stupid' thing. Ben Kingsley shooting Iron Man with a fingertip tornado or lightning bolt would look stupid. I've seen enough movies to understand what comes across as camp and what comes across as acceptable sci-fi/fantasy.

The point was to overkill with superpowers in these movies. Why would you use two all-powerful gloves/rings? Had they used the actual Ten Rings, the Infinity Gauntlet becomes old hat and lame.

 

[Norek]

Yeah, Captain America was supposedly based on science rather than magic, yet we had stuff like the Cosmic cube that makes no sense scientifically. Thor even played with the idea that science and magic is the same thing, and for these kinds of movies, and especially after Avengers, it's all the same thing on screen. It's too much for a ring to throw fire, but it's fine for a person to breathe it like a dragon because there's a scientific explanation behind it (which there isn't).

 

[ThePhantasm]

It's not a realism thing, it's a 'what will look stupid' thing. Ben Kingsley shooting Iron Man with a fingertip tornado or lightning bolt would look stupid. I've seen enough movies to understand what comes across as camp and what comes across as acceptable sci-fi/fantasy.

The point was to overkill with superpowers in these movies. Why would you use two all-powerful gloves/rings? Had they used the actual Ten Rings, the Infinity Gauntlet becomes old hat and lame.

You're still equivocating. What constitutes "stupid" camp and "cool" camp is a matter of subjective taste. An iron man suit defying gravity and flying onto RDJ's body by remote command is campy. Fire-breathing extremis zombies are campy. Don't be so patronizing with your "I've seen enough movies" schtick as if your view is somehow definitive as to what is acceptable and what isn't.

 

[Incredible Hans]

It's not a realism thing, it's a 'what will look stupid' thing. Ben Kingsley shooting Iron Man with a fingertip tornado or lightning bolt would look stupid.

Before I saw Spiderman 2, I thought a guy with four tentacles on his back figthing a guy in a blue and red pyjama would look stupid. It didn't.

Before I saw Avengers, I thought a man in star spangled outfit giving orders to a green monster would look stupid. It didn't.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Before I saw Spiderman 2, I thought a guy with four tentacles on his back figthing a guy in a blue and red pyjama would look stupid. It didn't.

Before I saw Avengers, I thought a man in star spangled outfit giving orders to a green monster would look stupid. It didn't.

Yep. "Campy" has become a derogatory word for "stuff I don't like" or "stuff I find silly." In reality all people enjoy certain campy elements in superhero movies over others. Its a matter of taste.

 

[Leenie]

One thing that I've noticed about a lot of the naysayers of this film:

I'm not quite sure what they wanted from this movie. One moment, I'm hearing that they were hoping for a more "Nolan" approach. The next minute, I'm hearing that The Mandarin wasn't nearly accurate enough to the comics.

I'm not dissing the people who didn't enjoy this film or anything (everybody has different tastes), but this is just something I've noticed.

 

[Norek]

Before I saw Spiderman 2, I thought a guy with four tentacles on his back figthing a guy in a blue and red pyjama would look stupid. It didn't.

Before I saw Avengers, I thought a man in star spangled outfit giving orders to a green monster would look stupid. It didn't.

Before Spider-Man 3, I thought we would never gonna see Venom because a symbiote from outer space would be too weird for this franchise. When they said they're bringing Venom, I thought they're gonna go the Ultimate route and make it a lab experiment or something like that. Nope, it was an alien symbiote.

 

[ThePhantasm]

One moment, I'm hearing that they were hoping for a more "Nolan" approach.

I haven't heard that yet.

 

[ElMariachi]

You're unbelievably mistaken and arrogant for calling people trolling if they have a negative opinion on something. Or you simply don't know what trolling means. You're taking criticism of this movie way too personally, which you shouldn't.



You mean you don't have your mind made up? And is really a place where 100% of the people are praising and calling something brilliant is a place for a more interesting discussion?

I'm not taking the criticism of this movie personally. I just am curious why people who hated something are dwelling on it for days. It's borderline concern trolling. If you didn't like the movie, you didn't like the movie. Negative opinions are one thing, excessive nitpicking and criticism is another. The movie isn't going to get better and what's done is done. All I see now is people trying to convince others that the movie sucked.

 

[Leenie]

I haven't heard that yet.

On The Hype, I haven't heard that so much. Outside of The Hype, I've heard that plenty.

 

[ThePhantasm]

It's borderline concern trolling.

Nope. Just defending our view of the film from those who bring fallacious arguments against it, try to call us hypocrites, or try to call us trolls.

Again, you're avoiding the content of this discussion for baseless speculation about our motivations.

 

[Incredible Hans]

What is magic? Powers that we don't understand.

Xavier's telepathy is magic. Calling it a psionic power just means to give magic a different name. It doesn't chance anything about the supernatural concept.

There is no scientific explanation in IM3 about how Extremis works or how armour pieces could fly on their own. For me, this as believable as having ten rings based on alien technology that can do a lot of strange things. ("Yes, that guy has these alien artifacts... they just look like rings... we don't understand how they work, but that technology is able to manipulate matter and energy, even the human mind... much more powerful than everything the Chitauri had... if we just understood how they work, we could...")

 

[ElMariachi]

For him, "teleporters," "fire-breathing humans," and "long distance remote control robot suits" are realistic, but a power ring that could freeze someone isn't... and mind control isn't.

Oh, and Mandarin's rings are unrealistic in the MCU because he's an Iron Man villain... but Thanos' Gauntlet is fine because he's an Avengers villain.

I don't know what he means by "realistic" anymore... he's making my brain hurt trying to comprehend all the twists and flip flops here.

I didn't say they are realistic. I said that they are believable fantasy. A long distance remote control suit isn't the same thing as a magic ring. We have remote controlled drones that fly all across the world. Drones built in 1995 that can fly 400 miles and stay in the air for 15 hours. Remote controlled robot suits are not exactly inconceivable when you have established arc reactor technology.

You aren't understanding my arugment and that's why your brain hurts. Thanos is an alien, Mandarin is not. By giving both of them super powerful jewels/rings, the whole thing because convoluted. Remember how some people were confused on the difference of the Cosmic Cube and the Casket of Ancient Winters? Yeah, they have to be wary about making these movies only for geeks.