He wouldn't of had to tell Stark how he got the rings. Save that for our "the audiences" imagination. The technology and power of the rings would indeed work as long as when the infinity gauntlet appears, it's more powerful and on a universal scale. Fiege and Black missed an opportunity to have a hero/villain fight to blow all others out of the water...and squandered it. The Mandarin using the rings to pummel Stark in the second act leading to Stark using Extremis on himself for the massive 3rd act battle would've made this film epic. imo of course.
No, I agree that was some missed opportunities in this movie. Nothing that hurt the film for me though. I still think the Rings' would have been a bad idea leading into Thanos and would have required too much explanation.
I am happy with the story we got. Giving Stark Extremis powers would have taken away from the story a bit. I know it worked in the comics but maybe not in the movies. The story stressed that he was 'the mechanic'. Extremis would have made Tony into an actual superhuman and would have stripped him of his humanity.
I love the Scarlet Witch and feel her presence in the Avengers 2 is necessary to go up against Thanos. Wanda is a powerhouse and that's what is needed. I felt either Ms. Marvel or Scarlet Witch were needed for the second film. Now it looks like we will get one or the other. I'm quite sure Widow's screen time will be reduced a lot so another member will get their do time.
I might divulge more on the matter later but, as someone who found the rest of the movies in the MCU pretty average (yes, including Avengers), I thought that was quite excellent.
It had strong characterisations and plenty of interesting ideas and ambition and even if some ideas fell flat on their face, there just seemed to be more going on beneath the surface of this one. Not the usual cookie cutter fare, certainly.
The script was also far more focused, and they seem to have disposed of the worst excesses of ad-lib which was running rampant under Favs.
I'll keep this next bit in spoiler tags, though I think I've been pretty general...
Yea... the twist didn't work for me. I kinda liked it in theory and it presented some interesting ideas about the faces we feel as a society we have to put on evil... but it ultimately robbed the film of its dramatic momentum and robbed it of any credible villain or threat, replacing the more menacing and unique Big Bad with a far more generic, safe "sleazy business type". It took me out of the film for a good ten minutes and it probably never fully recovers.
But despite all that, this is easily, easily my favourite movie Marvel has ever made and... goodness me, I'm actually considering seeing it again
But didn't we already see this done a 1000 times better in The Avengers when he, oh I dunno, FLEW INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION !?
THAT was him disproving Cap the he is every inch a hero, and it was portrayed in a far better way. Instead of having him singlehandedly take out an entire mansion full of badguys, with a bunch of selfmade toys.
I liked how in IM1 he was forced to come up with a creative idea to escape and make do with what he had.
Is anyone concerned that the avengers two, will be focused on Tony building another suit Or needing a reason to build another suit? Since at the end of the movie it seems that he destroyed all of the suits
It was fun, it was interesting, and I enjoyed my movie-going experience. It didn't blow my socks off the way X2 or TDK did, but I had a great time. It was a very different superhero movie, which is something I always appreciate.
My favorite part was how they made the events of the Avengers a major plot point. I like when superhero movies retain that sense of awe by not letting the fantastic become commonplace.
Did anyone else think it cool that Tony learned from Ivan Vanko in this film? He may have been an enemy but right is right. 'Drone better'. Tony seemed to take this to heart and allowed him to defeat Killian.
The one thing that really bothered me about the film was that Pepper's [BLACKOUT]Extremis powers were removed. Although I agree with Tony that she was perfect the way she was, I felt that deprived us of one incredibly powerful superheroine in the making.[/BLACKOUT]
I saw this last night and was really impressed. I really enjoyed the first Iron Man because of it's challenge to the military industrial complex and the charisma of RDJ and Gwenyth Paltrow, but it was lacking in action. I disliked the second movie because it was loud, crowded, obnoxious, and annoying.
Iron Man 3 is somewhere in the middle. It made Tony Stark more interesting, while delivering on superhero action, though some parts were overkill. The best part of Iron Man 3 is that Tony isn't a static, perfect character just trying to get revenge on the Mandarin. The Avengers had consequences and Tony had to pick up the pieces of himself in this movie (ergo the many pieces of the Mark 42). Unable to sleep and riddled with anxiety, he constantly builds suits and doesn't address his real problems. Like Extremis, what started out as a good thing became a consuming negative force in his life. For the first time, I find Tony Stark interesting for what's behind all the charisma.
But to be honest, and I know this is going to be contrary to most fanboy opinions, the movie got better after the Mandarin twist. I was very wary of this villain, since all I know about him is that he's a racist stereotype with magic rings. I could not take Ben Kingsley serious as the Mandarin, and hated that instead of making America's war and military obsession the antagonists, they've demonized some who's critical of America (like a million other movies do). However, the twist puts the blame right back on capitalism and the militarization of society, just where it should be in an Iron Man film. Ben Kingsley was also extremely funny, though this was probably negated by all the fanboy rage.
Pepper, Rhodey, and Happy were also well used in this movie. Pepper is still breaking the glass ceiling and gets to play with some heroics in this movie. Rhodey had some great action scenes, both inside and out of his suit.
While there is a lot that I liked, I didn't think it was perfect. The action scenes, while mostly well done, sometimes ventured into Transformers levels of excessiveness (maybe not quite that extreme). Pepper was a damsel in distress for quite a bit of the movie, and Rhodey didn't get much character development. While I appreciated that the antagonist was a greedy, competitive capitalist exploiting armed conflict, I wasn't quite sure why Killian was this person. He was a little underdeveloped, and I didn't understand why he was so connected to the Mandarin symbology (were his tattoos just a nod to the comic books, and nothing else?). And did Tony really call that kid a ***** for saying his father left his family?? Did I hear that right?
There were also some plot holes. Why did Tony and Pepper have to share one suit when his home was being destroyed if he had all the suits still in workable condition? Why couldn't Rhodey use any of Tony's suits when we saw that Pepper used one earlier in the film.
But despite all that, I still thought it was a great first Phase II movie and proved that Marvel still cares about it's main characters. They were very gutsy with this movie, and I think it worked out for them in the end.
I saw this last night and was really impressed. I really enjoyed the first Iron Man because of it's challenge to the military industrial complex and the charisma of RDJ and Gwenyth Paltrow, but it was lacking in action. I disliked the second movie because it was loud, crowded, obnoxious, and annoying.
Iron Man 3 is somewhere in the middle. It made Tony Stark more interesting, while delivering on superhero action, though some parts were overkill. The best part of Iron Man 3 is that Tony isn't a static, perfect character just trying to get revenge on the Mandarin. The Avengers had consequences and Tony had to pick up the pieces of himself in this movie (ergo the many pieces of the Mark 47). Unable to sleep and riddled with anxiety, he constantly builds suits and doesn't address his real problems. Like Extremis, what started out as a good thing became a consuming negative force in his life. For the first time, I find Tony Stark interesting for what's behind all the charisma.
But to be honest, and I know this is going to be contrary to most fanboy opinions, the movie got better after the Mandarin twist. I was very wary of this villain, since all I know about him is that he's a racist stereotype with magic rings. I could not take Ben Kingsley serious as the Mandarin, and hated that instead of making America's war and military obsession the antagonists, they've turned someone who's critical of America and demonized him (like a million other movies do). However, the twist put the blame right back on capitalism and the militarization of society, just where it should be in an Iron Man film. Ben Kingsley was also extremely funny, though this was probably negated by all the fanboy rage.
Pepper, Rhodey, and Happy were also well used in this movie. Pepper is still breaking the glass ceiling and gets to play with some heroics in this movie. Rhodey had some great action scenes, both inside and out of his suit.
While there is a lot that I liked, I didn't think it was perfect. The action scenes, while mostly well done, sometimes ventured into Transformers levels of excessiveness (maybe not quite that extreme). Pepper was a damsel in distress for quite a bit of the movie, and Rhodey didn't get much character development. While appreciated that the antagonist was a greedy, competitive capitalist exploiting armed conflict, I wasn't quite sure why Killian was this person. He was a little underdeveloped, and I didn't understand why he was so connected to the Mandarin symbology (were his tattoos just a nod to the comic books, and nothing else?). And did Tony really call that kid a ***** for saying his father left his family?? Did I hear that right?
There were also some plot holes. Why did Tony and Pepper have to share one suit when his home was being destroyed if he had all the suits still in workable condition? Why couldn't Rhodey use any of Tony's suits when we saw that Pepper used one earlier in the film.
But despite all that, I still thought it was a great first Phase II movie and proved that Marvel still cares about it's main characters. They were very gutsy with this movie, and I think it worked out for them in the end.
pepper used the Mark 42 prehensile suit... meaning tony controls how it's armored up, and who the suit goes on. that's the only suit that does that.
Tony's armors for security reasons are only coded to him, they track him, not others... so the other 41 suits are impossible for Pepper and Rhodey to wear because they simply wont let them control them.
the Mark 42 applies itself to what tony wants it to apply to. Himself, or fly onto others. again, only he has control of who goes in it. He granted Pepper the ability to use it once it was protecting her.
this was probably a security measure he put in place after Rhodey got his armor and flew off in it in IM 2
And I do not believe Killian was the Mandarin. When he said " I AM the Mandarin!" he means, he's responsible for what "The Mandarin" has done, so in effect he IS him. But he's not the Mandarin in the same way Liam Neeson was Ra's Al Ghul.
I think since he created the entire concept of the Mandarin, wrote those speeches, killed people, was behind the Ten Rings via AIM, was in a way empowered (though not from the rings), had the rad tats, etc... I do consider him the Marvel Cinematic Universe version of The Mandarin. I know that still pisses people off, but I think it's cool. A Bin Laden-esque character seemed kind of cheap and obvious to me, so I'm glad Shane Black and Marvel found another way.
I think since he created the entire concept of the Mandarin, wrote those speeches, killed people, was behind the Ten Rings via AIM, was in a way empowered (though not from the rings), had the rad tats, etc... I do consider him the Marvel Cinematic Universe version of The Mandarin. I know that still pisses people off, but I think it's cool. A Bin Laden-esque character seemed kind of cheap and obvious to me, so I'm glad Shane Black and Marvel found another way.
yeah, i gotta admit... had they kept Mandarin as Kingsley.. he'd have been a bit too "on the nose" for my liking in terms of bin laden.
I would have preferred to have seen him be a white male in the aspect of Ras Al Ghoul and have him basically wish for the downfall of society and what not.. and he basically bastardizes other cultures and iconography.
Did anyone else think it cool that Tony learned from Ivan Vanko in this film? He may have been an enemy but right is right. 'Drone better'. Tony seemed to take this to heart and allowed him to defeat Killian.
pepper used the Mark 42 prehensile suit... meaning tony controls how it's armored up, and who the suit goes on. that's the only suit that does that.
Tony's armors for security reasons are only coded to him, they track him, not others... so the other 41 suits are impossible for Pepper and Rhodey to wear because they simply wont let them control them.
the Mark 42 applies itself to what tony wants it to apply to. Himself, or fly onto others. again, only he has control of who goes in it. He granted Pepper the ability to use it once it was protecting her.
this was probably a security measure he put in place after Rhodey got his armor and flew off in it in IM 2
That makes sense to me. I would've swapped the villain endings. [BLACKOUT]Killian would've been arrested in Miami and Kingsley's Mandarin would've used the Extremis formula so that he could challenge Tony in the final battle.[/BLACKOUT]
But didn't we already see this done a 1000 times better in The Avengers when he, oh I dunno, FLEW INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION !?
THAT was him disproving Cap the he is every inch a hero, and it was portrayed in a far better way. Instead of having him singlehandedly take out an entire mansion full of badguys, with a bunch of selfmade toys.
I liked how in IM1 he was forced to come up with a creative idea to escape and make do with what he had.
um...your point? in The Avengers he still used the suit...in this movie we see him do it without the help of an iron shield to do something he normally wouldnt.
Despite giving the film a 5/10 (via a Marvel Studios troll job and shoddy writing), I thought IM3 had a ton of heart (thanks impart to RDJ), good-natured humor and stellar action sequences. Despite loathing the generic and half-baked twist, I still found Kingsley to be quite entertaining.
But didn't we already see this done a 1000 times better in The Avengers when he, oh I dunno, FLEW INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION !?
THAT was him disproving Cap the he is every inch a hero, and it was portrayed in a far better way. Instead of having him singlehandedly take out an entire mansion full of badguys, with a bunch of selfmade toys.
I liked how in IM1 he was forced to come up with a creative idea to escape and make do with what he had.
This wasn't about him proving himself a hero - that was The Avengers arc. It was about his identity crisis, and what made him so special without the suit. Rhodey or Steve Rogers could've put on the Iron Man armor and flew through the wormhole and it wouldn't have been different.
Tony makes it clear to Pepper that he feels very vulnerable and mortal, "Just a man in a can." This movie was Tony rediscovering what makes him unique - he's The Mechanic. If this was about him proving himself a hero, he would have no reason for the anxiety attacks.
It's a Love/Hate movie for me. I loved so many things about it but there are many things I wish they did differently. There really wasn't any wow moments in this movie. Nothing in it gave me goosebumps like the scene in IM2 when Tony was suiting up in the suitcase armor on the track. that was a "wow" scene. I didn't like the ease of the destruction of the armors...they seemed weak to me. He took some of Thor's blows but couldn't from the Extremis soldiers. Also, not having a mention to Cap is wrong. The President is threatened and there is terrorism on U.S. soil and Cap isn't mentioned once. Don't make sense.
Despite giving the film a 5/10 (via a Marvel Studios troll job and shoddy writing), I thought IM3 had a ton of heart (thanks impart to RDJ), good-natured humor and stellar action sequences. Despite loathing the generic and half-baked twist, I still found Kingsley to be quite entertaining.
Well what is he without a gun, an electric glove and the element of surprise ? Who cares about the tools, when the chips are down do you have the heart of a hero ? That's the essence.
The suit is the tool. That was the whole point of Starks arc in The Avengers. The man makes the decision to be a hero in the face of death. The suit helps him like the gun and glove helped him in Miami.
Well what is he without a gun, an electric glove and the element of surprise ? Who cares about the tools, when the chips are down do you have the heart of a hero ? That's the essence.
The suit is the tool. That was the whole point of Starks arc in The Avengers. The man makes the decision to be a hero in the face of death. The suit helps him like the gun and glove helped him in Miami.
The suit became the tool in IM3 not avengers imo. Tony needed thrown back into the "cave" so to speak to remind him of the man he's become and where he goes from after an event like avengers
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