OFFICIAL: Theatrical Trailer Thread

[Joe Rockhead]

I'm gonna have to paste some panels from past FF books where they power swap. People all over the net seem to take issue with this. What kind of fans are you if you don't know every single facet of the history? Sheesh.

While you're at it... might as well post pics of:

Dr. Doom on the surfboard
Silver Surfer flying through solid matter
Sue using her forcefields as a cushion

 

[Banshee]

I know it happened in the books, and has been good when done... I just don't think it has any place in the movie.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This is one of the issues in the arc I was mentioning:

The situation started where all of the Four's powers were "hopscotching" all over NYC to random people and animals. When Reed managed to get everyone's powers back, there was a mix-up (after Reed tried to decieve an alien race from destroying the city) and Susan and Johnny's were transposed.

 

[Kelly]

I know it happened in the books, and has been good when done... I just don't think it has any place in the movie.

If it has been done in the comics, why shouldn't it be done in the movie? What is your reasoning?

 

[Dragon]

She has been able to project her force fields, to simply knock someone off their feet, as simply a bubble in the airway.....she has come A LONG WAY from the early issues....your reaching Dragon....and you are having to reach a long way......how many of the recent issues have you read?

Please. To project enough force to stop the advance of a chopper would mean projecting a HARD wall. A "bubble" isn't going to stop a helicopter. Yes I know she can project a multitude of tiny force marbles or a skyscraper high field that she can levitate on. But physics are physics.

 

[gdw]

Egggsactly.

The Fantastic Four are Imaginauts--not necessarily superheroes. They're scientists and explorers. That power-swap was a direct lift from the source material--I recognized it instantly. I'll have to dig it up and post panels...but it's totally got precendence with Marvel. I think it's a great nod.




Wow. That's history-making.

It's not that it's not from the books, it is that it is cheesy and even more important, that they are using it as a LARGE plot device that it looks like the climax of the film may hing upon.

 

[Dragon]

I'm sorry but..what?

Susan's powers are a derivative of telekinesis since they are psionically driven. And there have been tons of examples in the comics where she used her powers to slow down moving objects, even acting as a cushion for falling teammates. The forcefields are not always "hard"--they've been shown to be malleable.

But as I'd mentioned above, malleable isn't enough to stop or slow a heavy fast-moving machine of several tons. Regardless, Reed's powers are more effective in this situation. It doesn't always have to be about Sue or Johnny.

And ALL of the FF's powers are psionic. That's why Johnny can control flames other than his own.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Please. To project enough force to stop the advance of a chopper would mean projecting a HARD wall. A "bubble" isn't going to stop a helicopter. Yes I know she can project a multitude of tiny force marbles or a skyscraper high field that she can levitate on. But physics are physics.

But it doesn't look like she's trying to abruptly stop the chopper--there are people in it. As you mentioned, erecting a hard shell would destroy it upon impact. It appears she is guiding the chopper to the ground--encasing it in a shield to cushion its landing.

 

[Tony Stark]

Please. To project enough force to stop the advance of a chopper would mean projecting a HARD wall. A "bubble" isn't going to stop a helicopter. Yes I know she can project a multitude of tiny force marbles or a skyscraper high field that she can levitate on. But physics are physics.

You've made it clear, you aren't going to like this movie no matter what and your behavior is bodering on troll. If all you are going to do is nit pick then please go elswhere. If you have some constructive criticism that's something else entirely.

Seriously, do you know how dumb you sound arguing about physics in a comic book movie?

 

[Doctor of Doom]

Well, let's see. SLIGHT Disappointment, I confess, with the lack of Doom.
On the other hand, that shot of Doom on the edge of the cliff as the Surfer floats before him was SWEET.

I join the group lauding that trailer as better than the first movie, and I actually ENJOYED the first movie! If this is done right, the action will be phenomenal, and as for the Surfer, I would NEVER, EVER have believed they would NAIL him so perfectly. Appearance I figured was a one-off but voice as WELL? Wow! Really hyped now!

The situation started where all of the Four's powers were "hopscotching" all over NYC to random people and animals. When Reed managed to get everyone's powers back, there was a mix-up (after Reed tried to decieve an alien race from destroying the city) and Susan and Johnny's were transposed.

Actually, if I can correctly recall the story I reread yesterday, they swapped Sue and Johnny's powers to hide that Sue had any abilities. They were then about to leave when Galactus kidnapped the now Sue-powered Johnny. When they recovered him, their powers hopscotched, as you said, across New York, but Reed's actual plan was to take on Ben's as WELL as his own to deny Ben the curse. Ben, of course, did not let him!

 

[Kelly]

It's not that it's not from the books, it is that it is cheesy and even more important, that they are using it as a LARGE plot device that it looks like the climax of the film may hing upon.

Let's wait and see.....I saw no cheese in the trailer, except with the humorous touch....which should be in ALL F4 movies....

 

[Kelly]

You've made it clear, you aren't going to like this movie no matter what and your behavior is bodering on troll. If all you are going to do is nit pick then please go elswhere. If you have some constructive criticism that's something else entirely.

Seriously, do you know how dumb you sound arguing about physics in a comic book movie?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, let's not start throwing the troll word around until we actually have one..........Dragon ain't it......he just likes to argue.......which we do alot of around here.......sit back, relax and watch the fireworks.......Lightnin is just gettin started.....



*picks up popcorn, and DC* *sits back for a nice discussion*

 

[terry78]

I used to think people were exaggerating when they said fanboys wanted all their comic movies to be dark and moody. I can see that was not a fallacy. When they start whining about The Flash not being dark enough, you know the **** has gone too far.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

But as I'd mentioned above, malleable isn't enough to stop or slow a heavy fast-moving machine of several tons.

Are you sure you're not underestimating Susan Richards' abilities here? She has incredible control of her fields--this would hardly be a difficult feat for her--she's moved and manipulated far greater masses of force than a mere helicopter.

Regardless, Reed's powers are more effective in this situation.

Well, the production budget probably said otherwise.

Besides, I doubt that Reed's tux has been doused in unstable molecules. He might have been able to contort his body into something larger to handle it, but we do have to keep it PG-13 afterward for the kiddies.

It doesn't always have to be about Sue or Johnny.

Well, why not just say that then--you want to see someone else (like Reed for instance) involved in this feat? Saying that Susan's powers are being misapplied because you think Stretcho would look better here doesn't make any sense. She's just as capable to land that copter.

And ALL of the FF's powers are psionic. That's why Johnny can control flames other than his own.

No they aren't.

"ALL" of the FF are considered mutants--but only the Storms possess psionically driven powers. Ben and Reed's powers are generated from their mass--inside out. They cannot manipulate other objects or matter with their minds.

 

[highguard]

But does it have to be to be utilized in the film? I'd prefer this comic nod to Ultimate's Organic Goat Hoofed Doomage. There was a whole arc devoted to the power-switch situaton--it's out in trade right now. In it, Susan learned a whole new appreciation for her brother's abilities. It was a high-selling series too and it should be fresh in the minds of many readers.

My point is the power-switcheroo has precedence in the source material and probably supports another plot point.

Ok I have seen the trailer about ten times now. These are my thoughts but first off, thanks LS for clarifying Sue's abilities. Reed stopping the chopper would be unwise. The blades would test his maleability and I think he would have lost, see the first appearance of Annihilus and you may see why.

As far as the super skrull thing, the source (comic) is your character and concept bible when translating the comic to the movie but there is room for expression and originality as long as you don't materialy break from the source ala Spiderman and his organic webbing (this was an improvment on the character's origin IMHO) so even if it had never been done in the comics, that should not deter a director from pushing the envelope and doing something cool, COOL RULES!! and this was really funny to me. I do hope that it is a short scene however as I love seeing the group interact.

Now the trailer itself. It was of the same high quality as the teaser so I was not shocked at the pace and intense action. Honestly the production values on this film and energy was so high after the teaser hit that what I saw in the trailer was expected. It felt like a continuation of the feeling i got when the teaser hit.

So what does that mean. Honestly I expect this film to be the thrill ride of the summer. Doom is reminding me of Darth Vader and I think that that is fitting as Darth Vader was based on him. Tim Story is obviously really enjoyin g himself on this film.

Now if they give us Galactus that will be it. I like what willy said over in the other thread, if the cloud was Galactus Loan would [Edit] have said that was him, because the cloud is in the film (recent photos).

It is all looking good. After this weekend with all the trailer views we will probably see the buzz explode.

The summer is super packed and FF2 will be fighting for its life but with everything we have seen so far this film could be the monster that I sense it has the power to be. With all the negative reviews last time the FF still scored at the box office. I remember thinking there is some kind of connect that the kids had with this movie, the kid in all of us. Perhaps it was a sense of things to come.

Come June 15th I suspect, nothing will ever be the same.

 

[Dragon]

But does it have to be to be utilized in the film? I'd prefer this comic nod to Ultimate's Organic Goat Hoofed Doomage. There was a whole arc devoted to the power-switch situaton--it's out in trade right now. In it, Susan learned a whole new appreciation for her brother's abilities. It was a high-selling series too and it should be fresh in the minds of many readers.

My point is the power-switcheroo has precedence in the source material and probably supports another plot point.

Yeah I know that storyline. And Johnny becomes the Invisible Man (How original) and herald to Galactus.

I'm saying this- folks are so often griping when others want accuracy to the source material saying how changes have to be made, which is true. But then when these movies grasp hold of ANYTHING that's appeared in the comics, that isn't necessarily the best thing either. Again- not everything from the comics is golden. And you know this isn't power-switching where the whole tema will have to use each other's powers, which could be cool. This is so Johnny can be a one-man FF.

And we're getting all of this nonsense instead of a straight-up battle with Galactus?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Actually, if I can correctly recall the story I reread yesterday, they swapped Sue and Johnny's powers to hide that Sue had any abilities. They were then about to leave when Galactus kidnapped the now Sue-powered Johnny. When they recovered him, their powers hopscotched, as you said, across New York, but Reed's actual plan was to take on Ben's as WELL as his own to deny Ben the curse. Ben, of course, did not let him!

Oops, you're right. Thanks for the clarification--I had the events switched (it's been a while since I read that arc). But yeah, that's exactly how it happened.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Awesome trailers caused me a trauma last year, but I seriously hope this movie is entertaining, as the trailer is quite thrilling.

 

[Dragon]

But it doesn't look like she's trying to abruptly stop the chopper--there are people in it. As you mentioned, erecting a hard shell would destroy it upon impact. It appears she is guiding the chopper to the ground--encasing it in a shield to cushion its landing.

Again- it's not about Sue showing how impressive she is in managing her forcefields. It's about saving lives. Reed would be able to save their lives more quickly getting them free of the chopper while Sue does whatever to stop the descent and possible danger to those on the ground and damage. And in a movie about a TEAM, it might be nice to show some teamwork.

 

[teh Puffy]

The trailer is so fast, and such a ride. I almost dont like it, its so fast. I have to keep going back to watch it. Outside of that quick opinon of mine, I think the footage is great. I like it.

THUMBS UP for FOX

 

[Dragon]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, let's not start throwing the troll word around until we actually have one..........Dragon ain't it......he just likes to argue.......which we do alot of around here.......sit back, relax and watch the fireworks.......Lightnin is just gettin started.....



*picks up popcorn, and DC* *sits back for a nice discussion*

I only like to argue with you- as I imagine you getting a Meg Ryanesque crinkle in your forehead as you read my posts. In my mind.... It's cute

 

[Angamb]

Could be good, but it reminds me too much of Fox's X3 trailer to get m e too excited.

For me this trailer shows a more epic movie than X3, with big action, in big places, like cities and that island/woods. I'd wish the xfilms had moments like those.

 

[Kelly]

Oops, you're right. Thanks for the clarification--I had the events switched (it's been a while since I read that arc). But yeah, that's exactly how it happened.

Yeah was about to give up her life.....and was willing to do so....but Reed stepped in with one of his dooomahittchie things....and kept that from happening.....

Very cool storyline I thought....one of the first 4 arcs I have read of the F4....I found it VERY enjoyable....and I loved how Sue finally realized through that arc, and the dream switching arc, just how difficult a time Johnny was having with his powers....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

And we're getting all of this nonsense instead of a straight-up battle with Galactus?

I don't know what we're getting yet. It's just a 2:09 trailer.

It could be that Johnny will become a one-man force. It's feasible. But I'm pretty sure that his family will have plenty of time to do team-based combat together with him. Again, it's not like the Human Torch hasn't had the limelight in the comics.

Again- it's not about Sue showing how impressive she is in managing her forcefields.

Ohhh yes it is. That's a money shot. The trailer is supposed to show them. It sells the moo-vay bay-bay.

And in a movie about a TEAM, it might be nice to show some teamwork.

*sigh*

Well, I haven't seen the movie yet, so I have no idea if this scene will "show teamwork" or not. Have you? All I can go by is a 2 second clip in the trailer so far. However, it's not necessary that all four of the heroes exert their powers against every single problem in the film. That's redundant and not even realistic.

Considering that one of the few things FF1 got right was the teamwork dynamic, I'm expecting the same director will maintain that theme in this sequel.

 

[Kelly]

I only like to argue with you- as I imagine you getting a Meg Ryanesque crinkle in your forehead as you read my posts. In my mind.... It's cute

LMAO....oh god Dragon, I was having a crappy day.....thanks for that.