Official Thor Thread

[RockSP]

but the way you're writing it, it sounds like the former head of SHIELD likes to dress up as a cartoon Puppy and have sex with people dressed as cartoon Foxes.

Don't give Bendis any ideas.

 

[spider-neil]

just a couple of questions;

a) when thor is in the air and throws his hammer does he fall until he catches his hammer again?

b) is mjolnir able to read/affect minds (hence judge whether they are worthy and also (maybe) place a mental block preventing them lifting the hammer even if they are naturally stronger than thor?

 

[Vartha]

#600 was good but I felt the writing was holding it back. being king thor, he can't just be banished. you really think odin would've just allowed this crap to jhappen to him if he was still alive and king. you think odin would have let balder, thor, or loki hand him his walking papers. hell no. thor is king, his word is law. if he said that the bor didn't reveal his identity and that he was risking the lives of thousands, he had to be put down. thor said the only way to stop him was to kill him. done deal. I just found that way too easy to banish the king of asgard. odin has done worse. but then again, I smelled bs when thor allowed loki back in the first place. seriously, when will he get it. he was willing to kill cap, strange, ect.. in his future but he can't a pos like loki.

Well so far Thor doesn't know that Loki had been planning this from the start.
On another point Odin allowed alot of things to happen that he could have easily stopped.
One of my favorite refferences to this is something Ulik told Magni and Sif during the Regining arc,

Magni:"YOU WERE AT WAR WITH MY PEOPLE, ULIK. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOSE" (reffering to King Thor moving Asgard to earth and leaving behind Trolls and frost giants)

Ulik: "IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK BOY?"

Ulik: "WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE YOUR GRANDFATHER, WHOSE GREATNESS I NOW FREELY ACKNOWLEDGE, NEVER DID AWAY WITH US?

Ulik: "ODIN SURELY COULD HAVE BLINKED US OUT OF EXISTENCE IF HE SO WISHED."

Sif: "THE ALL-FATHER WAS NOT INCLINED TO BE SO HARSH."

Ulik: "TRUE ENOUGH WOMAN. HE UNDERSTOOD THE NEED TO LIVE AND LET LIVE. HE KNEW THE GOODNESS OF THE GODS WERE DEFINED AND SHAPED BY OUR PRESENCE."

At this point WE don't really know for SURE that Thor Doesn't know that Loki has Schemed Thor out of Asgard.
We didn't see too much of Rune Thor, who HAD the knowledge Odin had, and there's nothing in MY opinion that says that Thor is NOT "going along" with Loki's mischief just to keep the Asgardians from getting bored for one, and to help others find thier way in this new world of thiers.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Well if it is all planned out on Thor's part, its a really bad plan, since he was just forced to kill Bor due to Loki's machinations.

 

[Vartha]

just a couple of questions;

a) when thor is in the air and throws his hammer does he fall until he catches his hammer again?

b) is mjolnir able to read/affect minds (hence judge whether they are worthy and also (maybe) place a mental block preventing them lifting the hammer even if they are naturally stronger than thor?

One of the enchanments that true in both the Comic book AND the actual Myths, is Mjolnir ALWAYS returns to Thor's hand after he's thrown it.

Yes Mjolnir is in a sense alive, sentinent, do to it's ability to judge those worthy, but although it's a good idea that Mjolnir could effect people mentally as you've suggested, it's not how the "worthiness" enchantment works.
No matter how much stronger the person is to Thor has nothing to do with the echantment.
Captain America was worthy, yet, he wasn't as strong as Thor.

 

[Vartha]

Well if it is all planned out on Thor's part, its a really bad plan, since he was just forced to kill Bor due to Loki's machinations.

That's the thing tho, Thor had know idea who Bor was, they'd never met. All Thor knew was that he was Asgardian.
Thor might know Loki's up to something and has even hinted that he was going to find out, just before he left Asgard.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

No, sure I think Thor pretty much said that when he gets back he's going to smash Loki's face in, but I don't think this is all something he planned for.

 

[Vartha]

Well I'm hoping Thor finds a way to bring Bor back, that is if he's in the same place Odin is.
A couple things could happen there, Odin would return leaving Bor to fight Surtur or Bor returns to get to know his Grandson more.

You KNOW there will be Hela to pay when Thor finds out Loki's in Sif body, there's no doubt about that, and just imagine what'll happen when Thor finds out that Loki IS behind all of these schemes.
I'm not saying Thor knows EXACTLY what Loki's been up to or there wouldn't be a great story. heh I'm just saying that even Odin didn't know every single detail of all that went on, just that there was something amiss.
Look at the Ages of Thunder books, THOSE are great examples of Loki being sneaky, and Odin not catching him.

 

[spider-neil]

One of the enchanments that true in both the Comic book AND the actual Myths, is Mjolnir ALWAYS returns to Thor's hand after he's thrown it.

Yes Mjolnir is in a sense alive, sentinent, do to it's ability to judge those worthy, but although it's a good idea that Mjolnir could effect people mentally as you've suggested, it's not how the "worthiness" enchantment works.
No matter how much stronger the person is to Thor has nothing to do with the echantment.
Captain America was worthy, yet, he wasn't as strong as Thor.

The first question I meant since thor doesn't actually fly does he fall when he throws the hammer when he is off the ground, I guess he does.

the second question is based on characters stronger than thor being unable to lift the hammer i.e. hulk, surter etc so I suggest the hammer puts a mental block which prevents them lifting the hammer like hypnotisism. It's a nice idea mjolnir being alive, in the ultimates thor actually talks to his hammer (the hammer obviously doesn't talk back).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

just a couple of questions;

a) when thor is in the air and throws his hammer does he fall until he catches his hammer again?

b) is mjolnir able to read/affect minds (hence judge whether they are worthy and also (maybe) place a mental block preventing them lifting the hammer even if they are naturally stronger than thor?

a) Not since he gained the Odinpower. Thor can fly under his own power now.

b) There's very little concrete information on how Mjolnir's worthiness enchantment works. To me, it seems more like Mjolnir is magically able to judge a person's soul, not read their mind. And there's nothing with mental blocks or anything like that preventing people from lifting the hammer. It's a magic spell cast by one of the most powerful magic-users in the Marvel universe, so it just magically keeps people from lifting it. No amount of physical strength would make a difference.

 

[Anubis]

...Unless you happen to know that the hammer is just a shape shifting alien who believes it's a hammer with a magic enchantment that says that only those who are worthy can lift it.....

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What the mcf***nuggets are you talking about?

 

[Paradox1]

This occured to me not too long ago since Thor resurected all of Asgards dead but not Odin. He's left a huge hole in the pantheon cause Odin was not only at least in the myth God of Wisdom , God of Magic, but also the God of Death. So that brings to my mind what happens to Asgard's dead even if they die a honorable death it seems as though there soul would go to Hela without Odin and his Valkyries.

 

[Vartha]

The first question I meant since thor doesn't actually fly does he fall when he throws the hammer when he is off the ground, I guess he does.

the second question is based on characters stronger than thor being unable to lift the hammer i.e. hulk, surter etc so I suggest the hammer puts a mental block which prevents them lifting the hammer like hypnotisism. It's a nice idea mjolnir being alive, in the ultimates thor actually talks to his hammer (the hammer obviously doesn't talk back).

Misread the first part, but the second like I said STRENGTH has nothing to do with the worthiness for one, and Mjolnir doesn't "hypnotize" them into thinking they can or can't lift it. I like that idea though.
The BASIC rules for lifting Mjolnir are self sacrifice, willing to kill to save the Innocent, and Honor.

An example to compare, Steve Rogers was a soldier and Sacrificed himself to become Cap. Supes where he has the same type of traites as Steve, from my understanding wouldn't kill anyone, so he wouldn't be worthy.

It's basically a bunch of checks and balences. Mjolnir reads those traites and judges you worthy or not. so unless you're UBER powerful like Bor, Galactus and such, you wouldn't be able to lift mjolnir and when you're THAT powerful you really wouldn't need Mjolnir.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This occured to me not too long ago since Thor resurected all of Asgards dead but not Odin. He's left a huge hole in the pantheon cause Odin was not only at least in the myth God of Wisdom , God of Magic, but also the God of Death. So that brings to my mind what happens to Asgard's dead even if they die a honorable death it seems as though there soul would go to Hela without Odin and his Valkyries.

The Valkyries are back and Hela's back. The Norse dead are covered.

 

[Vartha]

The Valkyries are back and Hela's back. The Norse dead are covered.

Not to mention Thor mentioned to Steve Rogers' spirit that he could enter Valhalla because he was a worthy Warrior.
We know Valhalla around and Hel's around as shown in God-Sized. We just haven't seen Valhalla anywhere yet.

 

[Anubis]

What the mcf***nuggets are you talking about?

...Universe X when Baby Mar Vel picked up Thor's hammer and killed the Supreme Intelligence with it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Universe X is ******ed and thankfully doesn't count for s***.

Not to mention Thor mentioned to Steve Rogers' spirit that he could enter Valhalla because he was a worthy Warrior.
We know Valhalla around and Hel's around as shown in God-Sized. We just haven't seen it anywhere yet.

And Hela's, like, serial-killing over in Las Vegas just for kicks right now, I guess. Not too sure how those add up.

 

[Vartha]

Well "Sin-City" is the only thing I can come up with lol

 

[Anubis]

Universe X is ******ed and thankfully doesn't count for s***.

And Hela's, like, serial-killing over in Las Vegas just for kicks right now, I guess. Not too sure how those add up.

I know, but i'm just sayin. If you happen to be in that universe, that would be a good thing to know.

 

[Vartha]

...Universe X when Baby Mar Vel picked up Thor's hammer and killed the Supreme Intelligence with it.

heh Missed that. SOMEWHERE, I have one of the UX books, natch it's the Thor related one.t:

 

[Anubis]

I liked it. I thought it was kewl.

 

[Vartha]

Haven't read that in ages.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was a convoluted mess. I've found that whenever people randomly try to connect everything in the universe together, it never really works for me.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Not to mention Thor mentioned to Steve Rogers' spirit that he could enter Valhalla because he was a worthy Warrior.
We know Valhalla around and Hel's around as shown in God-Sized. We just haven't seen Valhalla anywhere yet.

Yeah.... I didn't really get how God-Sized ties into JMS' Thor.

See, what I took from JMS' Thor thus far is that Thor restored all the Aesir of the Nine Worlds..... but all within Midgard. Hence Asgard in Oklahoma, Hela in Las Vegas bemoaning "the loss of her realm", and the Frost Giants claiming the Rocky Mountains as their new home.

But then God-Sized comes along, and all of a sudden the nine realms are back, Hela's back in Hel, etc etc. I didn't see how the two interpretations fit together.