The Amazing Spider-Man Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[Deaths Head II]

I doubt they will ever do an imposter Spider-Man in these movies. Unlike the comics, everyone in the movies absolutely loves Spidey.

 

[Rodrigo90]

We saw him being framed in 3. Not imposter,but same result.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Yeah, but it lasted like a couple of minutes. Any impostor story will probably be the same.

 

[venom892]

I never really liked that.I was never too fond of Spider-man day.

 

[Deaths Head II]

One of my favorite things about Spidey in the books was that no one really liked him but he still felt compelled to be a hero anyway. The stories where we would be framed or accused of something always kept me reading. Spidey always had to put up with a lot but he still felt compelled to do the right thing. That's what made me like Spider-Man so much compared to heroes that would be so popular they would get parades about them or the key to the city.

It goes without saying that Spider-Man Day in S3 annoyed the hell out of me.

 

[BlueTide]

spiderman 4-vulture,electro and some lower guy like rhino

spiderman 5-should deff have lizard and kraven

or vice versa

 

[Doc Ock]

One of my favorite things about Spidey in the books was that no one really liked him but he still felt compelled to be a hero anyway. The stories where we would be framed or accused of something always kept me reading. Spidey always had to put up with a lot but he still felt compelled to do the right thing. That's what made me like Spider-Man so much compared to heroes that would be so popular they would get parades about them or the key to the city.

It goes without saying that Spider-Man Day in S3 annoyed the hell out of me.

Indeed, I actually hope in future movies a villain causes Spidey to do something horrible enough to have the public turn on him.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Carnage. Have the Carnage fight end with the symbiote disappearing and Spidey killing Carnage. Do this in front of millions of people. Make it seem like Carnage is defenseless.

 

[Artistsean]

Have Spider-Man 4 and 5 introduce some new villains, maybe two each (if done right like Batman and Dark Knight) then in Spider-man 6 introduce the Sinister Six, make that the BIG SEND OFF MOVIE. When the cast finally leaves, since they planned to after 3 I don't see them staying much longer.
It could be Spider-Man fighting six impossible bad guys at once.
It will seem like impossible odds for him to triumph over, it will be visually exciting, lots of action and drama and FX.

They could even have the movie also be about Peter and MJ's wedding, maybe even have Aunt May find out about Peter being Spider-Man.


After Spider-Man 6, after the cast and crew leave, they SHOULD turn the Spider-Man movies into a franchise like James Bond, or Batman, or Jack Ryan, where he has film after film changing actors and directors when necessary.
Peter Parker could be a character like that. Maybe even relaunch the franchise when need be like those other films.
But I digress.


There should be a climactic Spider-Man 6 with the Sinister 6 as the main bad guys.
Some character need little to no explanation, like Rhino.

 

[zeptron]

If they ever do an impostor storyline, I'm thinking that maybe Mysterio frames Spidey and as a result JJJ has Mac Gargon become the Scorpion to hunt Spidey down. But like the comics the experiment goes wrong and Scorpion turns on JJJ and Spidey has to not only save him, but clear his name.

 

[Artistsean]

As long as they don't team up, because they do that too much in comic movies, that would be cool.
To have Spider-Man have to defeat Mysterio, clear his name, and fight the Scorpion too. And maybe Scorpion's story takes up the second half and is finished in the next movie. Just a few ideas,
but I like the two.

Something else I would LOVE to see is Spider-man fighting some random, nameless, super villains in a short scene. Something like in the opening of the movie,
We see a bunch of people at a Circus all zombified and frozen, because of the Ringmaster, as his Circus of Crime is robbing all of them,
The Spider-Man swoops in, hits the hat off his head, and does battle with the acrobats, the clown, the strong man, and such.
It would be such a short scene, like the little openings in Batman: Brave and the Bold.
it would show he fights more than just average thugs and super dooper criminals, but all types of criminals.
Or it could be a different, low budget super bad guy who wouldn't need much explanation and could be defeated easily.

 

[crimsonspider89]

The Shocker or Hammerhead...

 

[Artistsean]

as the main villains or as characters taken down quickly?

 

[Sebastos]

They'd work as villains taken down quickly. No way do I see them working as main villains.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Take down quick villains.

 

[Artistsean]

I would LOVE to see Spider-Man take down either, or both, especially Hammerhead. That would be so cool.

I think showing that is a good way to show that Spider-Man handles way more bad guys than we see, and there are some who aren't really movie worthy, or some battles that aren't as epic at the ones that have been chronicled in the previous movies. Plus it sets them up for later movies in the future, like if Spider-Man becomes a character like Jack Ryan (played by Harrison Ford, Alec Baldwin, Ben Aflec, soon Chris Pine I hear) or James Bond (played Roger Moore, Sean Connery, Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig, Timothy Dalton) and Batman (Micheal Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, then rebooted and played by Christian Bale)
I would love to see Spider-Man become a character like that.

 

[Sebastos]

Spidey taking down Shocker would be a great opener.

 

[crimsonspider89]

Yeah, I agree. I think that is what is set to happen after these 6.

 

[zeptron]

How about this for a fight scene? Peter and MJ are on a plane(for whatever reason) and the Vulture attacks and Peter disappears someone to change into Spider-man and fights Vulture while everyone on the plane watches.

 

[Silver Knight]

So it looks like we aint getting Lizad.

 

[BestGirl]

How about this for a fight scene? Peter and MJ are on a plane(for whatever reason) and the Vulture attacks and Peter disappears someone to change into Spider-man and fights Vulture while everyone on the plane watches.

I'd like that. Spider-Man zipping around a falling airplane fighting an aerial villain battle with all the passengers screaming would be intense.

 

[bullets]

How about this for a fight scene? Peter and MJ are on a plane(for whatever reason) and the Vulture attacks and Peter disappears someone to change into Spider-man and fights Vulture while everyone on the plane watches.

He would have to open the hatch door mid flight which is very dangerous and also people might wonder how Spider-man was able to get up there.

 

[SpideyFan914]

Yea I actually came up with a plot for the two in another thread today.

-At the begining of the film is a huge bank robbery/car chase seen.spidey stops the robbers.Among them is herman Schultz

-Adrian Toomes and Norman Osborn were partners in the beginning.Toomes helped developed tech like the glider.However Norman ran Toomes out of the company,Took credit for his invetions and left him with nothing.

-Toomes rebuild himself slowly waiting for the day he could get his revenge on Osborn.However by the time he has enough funds for his revenge "project" he reads the paper and finds that Norman Osborn has died.Toomes is furious that his chance at revenge has been taken away.He however continues to amass more wealth selling his inventions to both the army and criminal organations

-After the incident with Octavius and the death of both Osborns, Oscorp is in shambles.Toomes gives an offer and buys it out.He feels satisfied owning the company but it isn't enough.He has to know who took his chance at vengenance away.He finds and reads Osborn's journal.He now knows Norman was the Green Goblin and finds out that the Goblin was killed.Now Spidey is Toomes target.

-The effects of Toomes selling his tech to the underworld as we see spidey break up a hiest.When there he sees Schultz and makes a joke about how times he's put him away.But Schultz tells spidey "Well this time you might be a little SHOCKED!(Corny I know but I think it fits the character.)A big fight between Shocker and Spidey takes place in the middle of the city with a few people getting hurt.Soon Spidey defeats Shocker and puts him in jail.after the battle he asks the shocker where he got the tech and Schultz just tells him his boss got from some "old buzzard".we then see scenes of spidey investigating where the tech is comig from.

-With people hurt Jonah becomes more agressive with his campaign against spider-man.He calls out to anyone who can stop Spider-man.Toomes sees this and offers Jonah help in capturing Spider-man.Mac Gargan volunteers for the project.Toomes created the Scorpion!

-Soon Spidey discovers the tech is coming from oscorp and goes to investigate further.However before he can he his attacked by the scorpion.The battle amonst the rooftops and Scorpion is victorious.However before the death blow,The formula has adverse effects on Gargan and he starts to lose more upon the realization he can't take the suit off.He begins to attack innocent civilains in a fit of rage and then dissapers

-Jonah calls Toomes to complain about the Scorpion's behavior and Toomes doesn't care and is only angry that Gargan didn't get the job done.He puts forth plan B.We see Toomes open a door and the Vulture Costume is revealed.

-We see the Scorpion in a torn down warehouse growing more mad as time goes on.He decides to make both Toomes and Jonah pay.

-one fight takes place in the daily bugle with Scorpion attacking Jonah and kinnapping him.

-A one and one Vulture vs. Spidey fight occurs mid air with Spidey barely surviving.He escapes and come s to MJ beaten and bruised.She nurtures him to health.

-Spidey decides to look for Jonah despite MJ's Concerns.The Scorpion soons leaves a message for toomes that if he doesn't meet him at a certain location then he will reveal his transgresion to the press.Toomes suits up and goes to the spot.

-Spidey spots Vulture Flying and tracks him.Soon they both arrive at the warehouse and a three way battle with Jonah screaming at all three at the same time ensues.


I Figure Gargan can be a private investigator fro the bugle before his transformation and that shocker doesn't really need that much character development as he's nothing more then a grunt.

Don't take this wrong way, but I think it needs a bit more work. JJJ kind of seems like a third wheel in all this, and I can't see that working in a Scorpion story. Plus, I don't understand where you're going with the Vulture's motivation. He wants revenge on Spidey for killing Gobby when he wanted to do that? It may work in a cartoon, but not in a feature-length movie.... Gargan doesn't really have the motivation to sign up for the experiment either. I know that it's the same as it was in the comics, but again, the stakes need to be upped for a movie. The best thing, IMO, would be to separate Vulture and Scorpion - I don't really see them having chemistry. Though I do like the idea of Toomes buying Oscorp - that could work pretty well!

My ideas for a Mysterio movie, and how it fits in to the overall Spider-Man stories:
In a movie you need the story, villain, obstacles, and such, to evolve the star.
How would this Mysterio movie do that?
It would help Spider-Man redeem himself after Spider-Man 3.

(I mention is more later in this post, but Mysterio's plan is to frame Spider-Man for robbery, then using illusions make Spider-Man think he is going crazy, then posing as a psychiatrist give several interviews in the Daily bugle about how Spider-Man is mentally unstable and could crack at any minute and use the black costume problems and the robberies as an example.)

Mysterio has been watching and waiting, knowing he can't defeat Spider-Man one on one (Mysterio's own words from the comic). He waits for the right moment to strike, when Spider-Man is most vulnerable, after the Black Costume mess.
A time when he is drained physically and emotionally.

So the movie becomes Peter Parker not only getting the public to trust him again, as well as Mary Jane, but himself too.
So in the end Spider-Man saves the city, his loved ones, his reputation, and proves himself to the public and himself, showing he is back to the heroic Spider-Man we all know and love from the previous movies.

In the comics Quintin Beck creates his Mysterio costume, and weapons, based on Spider-Man's costume.

So, in the movie it can be the same, and help explain his wacky costume.
Also, since he is sort of posing as a hero, he might want it to look the most outragious in order to catch the publics attention.
It can look like this:

In a movie you need the story, villain, obstacles, and such, to evolve the star.
How would this Mysterio movie do that?
It would help Spider-Man redeem himself after Spider-Man 2.

Mysterio has been watching and waiting, knowing he can't defeat Spider-Man one on one (Mysterio's own words from the comic). He waits for the right moment to strike, when Spider-Man is most vulnerable, after the Black Costume mess.
A time when he is drained physically and emotionally.

So the movie becomes Peter Parker not only getting the public to trust him again, as well as Mary Jane, but himself too.
So in the end Spider-Man saves the city, his loved ones, his reputation, and proves himself to the public and himself, showing he is back to the heroic Spider-Man we all know and love from the previous movies.

This, I like. You do need to give Mysterio more motivation (seriously, why is he messing around with Spidey's life?), but I like the tie-ins with Spider-Man. I can definitely see this working with some tweaks for the fourth or fifth installments (plus, I'd love to see Mysterio). Though, I've gotta say - I do not want Mysterio's costume to look like Spidey's. He's not Venom. I need the fishbowl - the corniness of the character is a large part of his appeal.
Your idea for Aunt May is also pretty good. Could work well regardless of the villain. I really hope they do that now....

I doubt they will ever do an imposter Spider-Man in these movies. Unlike the comics, everyone in the movies absolutely loves Spidey.

That was only for half of SM3. In the first two movies, the public hated him. Wouldn't be hard to set them off again.

Have Spider-Man 4 and 5 introduce some new villains, maybe two each (if done right like Batman and Dark Knight) then in Spider-man 6 introduce the Sinister Six, make that the BIG SEND OFF MOVIE. When the cast finally leaves, since they planned to after 3 I don't see them staying much longer.
It could be Spider-Man fighting six impossible bad guys at once.
It will seem like impossible odds for him to triumph over, it will be visually exciting, lots of action and drama and FX.

They could even have the movie also be about Peter and MJ's wedding, maybe even have Aunt May find out about Peter being Spider-Man.


After Spider-Man 6, after the cast and crew leave, they SHOULD turn the Spider-Man movies into a franchise like James Bond, or Batman, or Jack Ryan, where he has film after film changing actors and directors when necessary.
Peter Parker could be a character like that. Maybe even relaunch the franchise when need be like those other films.
But I digress.


There should be a climactic Spider-Man 6 with the Sinister 6 as the main bad guys.
Some character need little to no explanation, like Rhino.

Okay, this I do not support. Though I love the Sinister Six, putting them in a movie would result in the same kinds of problems as SM3. Too many villains with little or no connections dividing up the screentime, plus the additional problem of having the fights take up too much screentime. For SM6, I want to see Roderick Kingsley as Hobgoblin (I think it'll have been long enough by then).
Though I would love to see it becoming a James Bond-type franchise.

If they ever do an impostor storyline, I'm thinking that maybe Mysterio frames Spidey and as a result JJJ has Mac Gargon become the Scorpion to hunt Spidey down. But like the comics the experiment goes wrong and Scorpion turns on JJJ and Spidey has to not only save him, but clear his name.

As long as they don't team up, because they do that too much in comic movies, that would be cool.
To have Spider-Man have to defeat Mysterio, clear his name, and fight the Scorpion too. And maybe Scorpion's story takes up the second half and is finished in the next movie. Just a few ideas,
but I like the two.

Two movies. One with Mysterio, one with Scorpion. Especially if it's going to be that sequential, with one after the other, they wouldn't fit well together in the same movie.

Something else I would LOVE to see is Spider-man fighting some random, nameless, super villains in a short scene. Something like in the opening of the movie,
We see a bunch of people at a Circus all zombified and frozen, because of the Ringmaster, as his Circus of Crime is robbing all of them,
The Spider-Man swoops in, hits the hat off his head, and does battle with the acrobats, the clown, the strong man, and such.
It would be such a short scene, like the little openings in Batman: Brave and the Bold.
it would show he fights more than just average thugs and super dooper criminals, but all types of criminals.
Or it could be a different, low budget super bad guy who wouldn't need much explanation and could be defeated easily.

I like it because of the Circus of Crime. Seeing them in a movie would be GREAT!

So it looks like we aint getting Lizad.

Why do you say that? Personally, I still want Lizard.
I haven't thought through the details as much as some others, but in my book, Lizard is long overdue. He's one of my favorite Spidey villains (I like him better than Ock, personally), he could look really great effects-wise, there's a connection with Peter Parker, and Curt Connors has already been introduced. Yeah, we need to get Lizard in there....

With respect to the plane Vulture fight: excellent follow-up to the Ock train fight. People say that there's nothing good effect-wise for Vulture, but they need to think more outside the box - just look at what they did with the first Peter-Harry fight in SM3!

Anyway, in regards to Scorpion being paired up, if he were to be paired up with anyone, I'd put my vote on the Spider-Slayers, preferably Spencer Smythe. I don't have many details worked out as to personal connections and all that stuff, but something sends JJJ completely off the edge (maybe some homage to ASM #1?) and so his vendetta with Spider-Man becomes personal. Then, he hires Smythe to capture Spider-Man (maybe Smythe comes to him, in fact). Smythe at first just wants money, but after he fails several times, he goes a bit over-the-top. Without JJJ's permission, Smythe goes through with human experimentation and turns Gargan into the Scorpion and sends him to kill Spider-Man (maybe even brainwashes him). When JJJ finds out, he cuts Smythe's funding. Enraged, Smythe attaches Spidey to JJJ via bomb-cuff (24 Hours to Live, anyone?) and sends them into battle with Scorpion.
Again, I haven't worked out the details (just thought of this - perhaps Gargan could've been a friend of John's if ASM #1 is visited, and thus is granted motivation), but I just think the villains would have better chemistry, and it would be the ideal JJJ plot in my mind as they were all created by JJJ in the comics.
Also, John has to return sometime. Seriously, didn't he have anything to say to MJ after she ran out on him on their wedding day? That's the worst kind of scorn possible - ten times worse than MJ's break-up with Peter in #3 - and with John having such little character at this point, a lot could be done with it. Man-Wolf, for example. (Hey, that would be a good lead-up to Smythe/Scorpion! Heck, this could be a whole trilogy in its own right - first Man-Wolf, then Spencer/Scorpey, then Alistaire Smythe for the finale. If the franchise lasts a while, I would love to see this happen....)

 

[Artistsean]

He would have to open the hatch door mid flight which is very dangerous and also people might wonder how Spider-man was able to get up there.

I could see that being part of the drama of the scene, he has to get out there to save the day but can't without opening the hatch door mid flight.
I think eventually it would come down to timing, lots of webbing, and precision and Spider-Man would eventually do it.
Maybe he would be able to find a way out crawling through the plane and out the landing area.

Don't take this wrong way, but I think it needs a bit more work. JJJ kind of seems like a third wheel in all this, and I can't see that working in a Scorpion story. Plus, I don't understand where you're going with the Vulture's motivation. He wants revenge on Spidey for killing Gobby when he wanted to do that? It may work in a cartoon, but not in a feature-length movie.... Gargan doesn't really have the motivation to sign up for the experiment either. I know that it's the same as it was in the comics, but again, the stakes need to be upped for a movie. The best thing, IMO, would be to separate Vulture and Scorpion - I don't really see them having chemistry. Though I do like the idea of Toomes buying Oscorp - that could work pretty well!

The Green Spider-Man was just my example of the green area of Mysterio's costume. I agree. He MUST have the fishbowl. I was only saying the costume could look the way it does because he used Spider-Man's design as part of it. Instead of just a green spandex costume with black gridding on it, the black grid should pop up like Spidey's webbing and the green part should be made out of the same material as Spider-Man's red part (only Mysterio's is colored green).

Motivation: Just like in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon
"OK Spider-Man, you caught me again."
Spidey- "Again? You mean I caught you before?"
"Don't act like you don't remember me, I was on the cruise ship."
Spidey- "Oh, oh yeah."

Mysterio was captured by Spider-Man once already, and sent to prison for a few years. So he is back for revenge, and money. Revenge and money.
Or, he could be motivated by revenge, money, and was hired by a mysterious third party leading to another big bad guy and a possible Sinister Six.

I agree about the Six though, it would be almost impossible to make a good Sinister Six movie.
But maybe if most of the important bad guys in the six were introduced in the previous movies, like Ock (I have ideas how to bring him back and Alfred wants back in too), Sandman, and whoever is going to be in 4 and 5, then maybe the rest could be characters without much story or whatever, like Rhino who is big dumb and strong but would add much else... I think.
It might end up too cluttered, but it would be so much fun to see in a movie.

Oh, maybe Spider-Man can take down the Enforcers in the beginning of the movie,
Ox, Fancy Dan, and Montana.

 

[SpideyFan914]

I could see that being part of the drama of the scene, he has to get out there to save the day but can't without opening the hatch door mid flight.
I think eventually it would come down to timing, lots of webbing, and precision and Spider-Man would eventually do it.
Maybe he would be able to find a way out crawling through the plane and out the landing area.

In my vision of that scene, Peter wouldn't be on the plane.
I think it would be easier logically if the fight just started close to an airport, and they got caught on one as it took off. Or else the logic would require another "We won't tell no one." (Augh!!! Double negatives!), and it wouldn't be powerful anymore the second time.