The Amazing Spider-Man Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[Matt Mortem]

That would be cool, but can movie-verse Spidey lift that much?

 

[SpideyFan914]

I agree, All we would need is maybe MJ (who wouldn't be so scared this time), Robbie, Jameson, and Captain Stacey. But I was just trying to set up a few on lookers to Spider-Man's and Mysterio's fight at the end of the movie, a captive audience to Spider-Man's (and Peter's) redemption.
With MJ I don't see her being the typical damsel in distress anymore. Not that she is sued to it, but she goes to investigate the psychiatrist who has been hurting Peter (maybe talk to him) and she ends up stumbling into getting trapped by Mysterio. Jameson and Robbie, and Captain Stacey follow soon after. MJ wouldn't be screaming for her life because she has faith in Peter.
Aunt May could be at home this whole time too, her story is more about her finding out about Peter being Spider-Man anyway.

Eh.... I think I've had enough of MJ getting captured, regardless of circumstances....
Robbie doesn't really seem necessary, though depending on how the story unfolds, it wouldn't be unreasonable.

Rhino could be more of a back up or side character, more like the muscle to the Vulture's plan. We see him created, we see him fight Spider-Man a few times, but mostly the main bad guy would be someone like Electro or the Vulture or whoever. Thats how I see Rhino working. Since he is sort of a character without much character there wouldn't need to be a lot of time waited on him other than to show him created and using his powers a few times (like a scene where Spider-Man is trying to stop him while being pummeled to death, like the Juggernaut scene.)

To me, this reads as, "could be X1 or X3."

Mysterio's motivation, mentioned earlier, could be that he was captured by Spider-Man and sent to prison. But Spider-Man doesn't remember because he stops so many regular thugs and criminals. Maybe Beck was just robbing a bank, running out, and Spider-Man sprays him with a web-net sticking him to a wall.
Its a major event in Beck's life, but a few minutes to Spider-Man.
Maybe that could even be shown in the opener, on his way to fighting some super criminal like Hammerhead, the Enforcers, of Crime Circus, Spidey takes a few minutes to stop a bank robber. (But then how could he be waiting all this time? We would have to show that it was before the events of the Black suit somehow... Or just show it in a flashback as Beck tells Spider-Man his motivation then.)

Honestly.... I still feel like that's not enough. It's not that he doesn't have the motivation, just not enough motivation to make the conflict interesting enough. You'd have to really show it being a traumatic experience for Beck. If you don't mind adding a touch of sympathy (I know some are crazy about that), then it could work pretty well. Or else.... you'd need something else.

I think Beck would make a great bad guy too, so smart he has to tell Spider-Man his whole plan at the end. To let Spider-Man know how much work and planning he did. He has to get the credit.

A great joke would be, if at the end of all this when Peter and MJ are talking, Peter could briefly say "I didn't reveal my identity this time." It wouldn't be the last line of the movie or anything, just a short scene, maybe while they are entering Aunt May's house. Aunt May's story could end with her knowing but us not knowing if she will tell Peter or not. Her, and us the audience, not knowing how she will handle it.

Yes and yes.

NinjaCarm had some cool ideas for Mysterio that I hadn't thought of, but would work very well in a Mysterio movie.
Posted here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=332446

NinjaCarm mentions doing things like making Venom bigger and make Green goblin look closer to his comic appearance or more menacing, since Mysterio is actually using a holographic image of Venom and Green Goblin, perhaps it would be reasonable that he would want them to look scarier.
That could be done for the final scene, when Mysterio is using everything has has against Spider-Man (including scarier holographic images of his old enemies.) When Spider-Man is first tricked by the images of Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin, and Doc Ock, they need to look like their original appearances in the movies.
example:
Spider-Man is swinging through the city worried about the article, when he is suddenly attacked by Doc Ock. Peter tries to talk to Octavious, while avoiding his attacks, but he doesn't respond. Peter eventually has to retaliate with a punch of his own. But when Spider-Man punches, Octavious is suddenly gone, and Spider-Man punches a brick wall sending chunks of brick and debris falling to the ground bellow.
People on the ground look up and see Spider-Man swinging away.

The scene where he sees the Green Goblin again can be similar, where Peter tries to call to Norman, but all Norman responds with his creepy laughter. Peter, in a spider-web swinging scene, chases after the Green Goblin as the Goblin races through the city (sort of like the scene in Spider-Man 3 where Harry chases after Peter). Peter eventually turns a corner and the Goblin is gone.

Or how about the scene with Sandman, Sandman becomes the giant sand creature, like in the scene where he comes out of that truck and punches those guards. Sandman becomes a sand creature, and punches down on Spider-Man but Spider-Man passes right through like nothing was there, as Sandman punches he too vanishes.

Not sure if Alfred Molino or Thomas Hayden Church would sign on for cameo roles.... Then again, Willem Dafoe did - twice!

Another scene that would be great if they ever did a Rhino movie,

Ultimate Spider-Man vs. Ultimate Hulk,
but imagine the Rhino

instead of the Hulk. Spider-Man is fighting the Rhino, who is clearly stronger than him and Spdiey is giving everything he has. In a desperate act Spider-Man throws a car on him, only to find the Rhino completely unharmed.

That could be a good beginning or ending to the fight.

That would be cool, but can movie-verse Spidey lift that much?

It's just a tax.... In SM2, he held back a whole train!!

 

[Spider-Ranger]

Some weeks ago, when the Tombstone rumor came up, there was a big discussion on these boards, whether it is possible or not to translate an afro-american albino from the comics onto the big screen.

This is model Shaun Ross, he IS an afro-american albino:

Maybe the Tombstone rumor turns out to be true If so, this is how he could look like.

 

[Artistsean]

That would be cool, Tombstone could be (almost a Dark Knight type cameo, without being a rip off) Showing that Spider-Man fights mobster types too. (I am not familiar with him really other than his appearences on the cartoons where he is a mob muscle or a mob boss).

Eh.... I think I've had enough of MJ getting captured, regardless of circumstances....
Robbie doesn't really seem necessary, though depending on how the story unfolds, it wouldn't be unreasonable.

Yeah, I agree. I am sure Kirsten would too. Her character should have a bigger part than just there to comfort Peter but I am not sure what... yet.
But I agree, no more damsel in distress. I just want her character to show that she loves Peter greatly and trusts him so much she doesn't even believe that he could be the robber and having a break down and all that. She does need to do something, maybe her story and Aunt May's story could intertwine.

To me, this reads as, "could be X1 or X3."

I just mean, he is a great Spider-Man villain and to get him on the big screen something like that, similar but better than X2 or X3, would have to be done. Otherwise he wouldn't be needed. I just was coming up with ideas for him, not saying that he should be in a movie.

Honestly.... I still feel like that's not enough. It's not that he doesn't have the motivation, just not enough motivation to make the conflict interesting enough. You'd have to really show it being a traumatic experience for Beck. If you don't mind adding a touch of sympathy (I know some are crazy about that), then it could work pretty well. Or else.... you'd need something else.

Again, I agree. His motivation has to be good enough to justify him putting on the costume, and menacing Spider-Man, and plotting all the stuff. I for one wouldn't mind adding some sympathy to his character, bad guys don't see themselves as bad. But I just don't want him to be connected to Peter, like making him Flash Thompson who found out who Peter really was and wants to humiliate him for what he did to him in school and for stealing MJ. I want him to be sort of not connected to Peter.

Not sure if Alfred Molino or Thomas Hayden Church would sign on for cameo roles.... Then again, Willem Dafoe did - twice!

Alfred has said he would like to reappeare, not sure about Church or Dafoe, although I heard that Dafoe could return (probably a flash back) so why not. And if Church didn't want back, just have Sandman be in his sand form for those few minutes. In the comics Mysterio uses videos from TV I guess, so its like playing a scene from a movie anyway, maybe they could figure out how to use clips from the movies using those character without them looking like they are just scenes from a movie.
But if the actors sign on, or if they can pull off using stand in sand forms, then that would work too. These scenes are so short, they shouldn't distract from Mysterio, and they shouldn't make the movie too expensive either.

I think the final scene, where Mysterio has a few hostages, would be at a special effects factory, so Mysterio's motivation could come from that. The 90s cartoon had Mysterio want revenge against Spider-Man for something like Spidey finding out he was responsible for a dangerous effect that nearly killed everyone and got him not only fired but jail time too.
But I don't know about something like that for the movie.
But the end scene being at an FX factory could lead to Mysterio throwing every effect he has at Peter.

Oh, and the grid on his costume could somehow be connected to holographic imagery, sort of like how Mystiques scales twisted when she was morphing. Maybe Mysterio's grid changes.
like this

Spoiler

That way it might explain his wacky grid costume design.

 

[Heyparker]

Hope this isn't accurate...

http://www.iesb.net/extensions/inde...te-hold&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73

 

[crimsonspider89]

I say that is good news. Says Sony is more in touch with fans. Maybe will end up being the Lizard or Electro afterall. They may have read forums and comments after the supposed leaks.

 

[craigdbfan]

Not good news. Last time Raimi got into a fight with Sony we got a little something called SM3.

If Raimi doesn't get his way he'll have Pete/SM do an entire damn musical with Shocker and the Rhino. I kid (maybe).

"An inside source working on the project tells IESB that there are some major issues director Sam Raimi is dealing with that include an incomplete script. And why is the script incomplete? Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.

Raimi is pushing hard for the Vulture to be the big baddie, something he also pushed for in the third film to star alongside the Sandman but didn't get and we all know how that one turned out. Vulture was to do his evil deeds alongside the new Goblin and Sandman. A single concept art sketch can be seen in "The Art of Spider-Man 3" book. Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes.

On the flip side, who does the studio want to be the villain? Our source says they seem to only be interested in featuring which ever character is selling books right now but basically they have no idea, just not the Vulture.

So, production on SPIDER-M4N grinded to a halt this past Thursday and isn't budging until some compromises are made. Sony is in a bit of a dilemna though because they are insistent upon getting a film shooting as soon as possible. Our source also said these issues aren't being handled in the most friendliest of fashions. There is apparently some definite anger within the production with several people very "pissed off".

Perhaps they will use the time over the holidays to calm down in order to make some compromises to decide which way the film will be headed as the new year begins in January.

Really hope this gets straighten out peacefully otherwise this wouldn't spell well for the rest of production...

 

[crimsonspider89]

If Raimi does what he did with SM3, he needs to be fired. I think this could be due to the public outcry of the Vulturess being leaked. That idea may have been true and Sony is trying to save us.

 

[craigdbfan]

Like they did with Venom?

Its never good for either the studio or the director when these heated disagreements happen.

It affects production. SM3 is a good example. Again a repeat scenario wouldn't be a good thing.

Not saying I like the Vulturess idea, I actually really don't fancy it but maybe Sony should just let him do what he wants.

It worked for SM1 & SM2 why not SM4? That should be their mind set, obviously thats not the case though.

Hope they solve this with both parties in good terms.

 

[crimsonspider89]

I mean, if he does the same thing he did with SM3, they need to fire him. Do we really want the Vulturess in the movie? Seriously? I would take another SM3 over that any day. ANY DAY!

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

Disagreements with Sony execs? I thought Raimi had full creative control this time?

 

[Rodrigo90]

Even Raimi is admitting that Vulture is a crap villain. Sony want him in,he doesnt.

 

[Oscorp]

I think you got it the wrong way, Rodrigo...

 

[spider-neil]

I think its GREAT news. vulture is 'THE' worst spidey villian, 'ANY' villian sony ram down sams throat will be better.

GO SONY!! I'm behind you 100%

 

[Rodrigo90]

Its just that I read that Raimi doesnt want him as the villain. Or is it Sony doesnt want him as the villain?

 

[spider-neil]

Its just that I read that Raimi doesnt want him as the villain. Or is it Sony doesnt want him as the villain?

sam wants him sony doesn't. seems sony is in more touch with the fans than sam. I propbably visited every spidey site since the vulture new broke and the forums were in meltdown and not in a good way.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

the studio is making the same mistake as they did with 3, in actually listing too the fanboys (no offense, guys, sorry to say it, cause that includes myself, but, its true) and just wanting to go with the more popular villain

I am think that (as others have said) maybe some of these rumors floating around, might actually be real, and the studio is freaking out about, it getting out and the reactions they’ve been getting

 

[spider-neil]

also I would rather see S4 with a good villian in 2012 than S4 in 2011 with a crap villian

 

[Rodrigo90]

Its seems I have misjudged Sony. There I was thinking Sam was going to be good again.

We fans are dangerous. Sony CEO probably recieved death threats,lol.

 

[spider-neil]

the studio, is making the same mistake as they did with 3, in actually listing too the fanboys (no offense, guys, sorry to say it, cause that includes myself, but, it true) and just wanting to go with the more popular villain

I am think that (as others have said) maybe some of these rumors floating around, might actually be real, and the studio is freaking out about, it getting out and the reactions they’ve been getting

SM3 would have sucked regardless as 3 villians is too much, you can't develope any of them. I said this BEFORE I saw the movie so this isn't hindsight. and before someone mentions TDK, scarecrow was on screen for like 5 minutes and two faces was horribly rushed (I'm sorry he was).

sony shouldn't have stuck their nose in SM3 but if they are trying to make sam get rid of the vulture then I'm totally behind them.

GO SONY!!! get rid of the vulture before it's too late.

 

[spider-neil]

sony tell sam he's been developing curt conners 2 two movies, tell him to stop teasing the fans and bring the lizard to the big screen. they've waited patiently enough now.

 

[Rodrigo90]

3 wasnt bad just for the villains...THE CAMPINESS.

 

[spider-neil]

3 wasnt bad just for the villains...THE CAMPINESS.

that's true, sam can't blame that on sony.


GO SONY!!! oh, save us sony-1, you're our only hope...

 

[zeptron]

Disagreements with Sony execs? I thought Raimi had full creative control this time?

Yeah, that should mean that the studio can't tell him which villains to use and not to use.

But if that Vultress thing was true then I have to go with Sony on this. Because that would have been the death of this franchise. Spidey 3 already chased away some fans. And they sure as hell aren't gonna get them back with that.

I'm not against Vulture, but there are a couple of other villains I'd like to see before him. Bring on Lizard and Electro.

 

[spider-neil]

Yeah, that should mean that the studio can't tell him which villains to use and not to use.

But if that Vultress thing was true then I have to go with Sony on this. Because that would have been the death of this franchise. Spidey 3 already chased away some fans. And they sure as hell aren't gonna get them back with that.

I'm not against Vulture, but there are a couple of other villains I'd like to see before him. Bring on Lizard and Electro.

chased away fans domestically? worldwide SM3 was more successful than SM1 and SM2