OFFICIAL Wolverine and The X-men Gallery Thread

[iamlegend]

Probably the same reason we get the same X-Men for the most part. They are the most recognizable.

But the X-men are the heroes...

You don't have to have recognizable villains. Like someone said, they normally just get beat down anyway.

So give me some villain variety, for once.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's always the same group stuck with Magneto. He's had other followers in the comics over the years. Why do we always get Blob, Avalanche, Toad, etc?

I want to see some Exodus.

You've got Domino and Polaris there. There's some variety.

 

[Dread]

Another promo image of Colossus. I hope Dread can contain himself.

I did see these. It is a bit lame that Magneto is wearing heels; that's very swishy.

I see Toad is looking like Ultimate Toad, which is fine because Kubert's redesign worked for him.

I do agree a little with iamlegend about seeing new bad-guy faces, but to be fair, Domino is here and she hasn't had speaking lines in any X-Men cartoon yet. I do wonder why they selected her of all C-Listers. She hasn't done much since the end of the 90's and her "luck powers" usually are limited to just having her shoot stuff very well. But, she is a new face for a cartoon. I'd be down for Exodus too, though.

And it is a shame that Quicksilver has had no good costume designs from pretty much any comic, which leaves animators stuck trying to pick his least sucky suit and animate that one. In green he almost looks like an elf.

It is amusing how Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were heroes for twice the length they were villains yet all multi-media presentations seem to ignore that, save for the 90's show (which had them as part of X-Factor).

As for the X-Men promo shot, yes, it is very nice that Colossus is standing in the background of the team shot along with Angel and Nightcrawler. Still, given the size of the cast, I'm surprised this shot doesn't have more characters. Where are Rogue and Iceman? I'm hardly going to be hailing this show as the champion of Colossus exposure unless he actually shows up for more than 2 episodes, is part of the core cast, and actually goes through some sort of development or subplot arc, y'know, like an actual character. I mean, in that shot alone there are 10 characters; add in Iceman and Rogue and that is 12. Few shows can juggle more than 7 very well. People cite JLU but that show hardly juggled their cast well in only 26 episodes. Batman & Superman had their own shows for years. And it came after JUSTICE LEAGUE fleshed out basically everyone but Flash for 2 seasons. JLU had advantages this show doesn't. Especially while it, according to the title, has to star Wolverine. He has to get the lion's share of the development and focus as the star. The other characters also need that because they are not hopping off a past show (or shows) like JLU did. It won't be easy. Historically, Colossus is the one sacrificed for the others, even ones like Nightcrawler and Storm who joined the franchise at the same time. My money is still even on history being repeated.

At the very least, this show reminds me about the 90's one in one way; it is trying to take some bits from the comics. But while the 90's show took things that happened from the 70's until the then-present, this one will take some things that have happened later. Which is fine for an update.

Oh, and 1994 called, Cyclops. They want their "trench and spandex" look back.

 

[cerealkiller182]

But the X-men are the heroes...

You don't have to have recognizable villains. Like someone said, they normally just get beat down anyway.

So give me some villain variety, for once.

They normally get beat down, but their recognizablitly (sp? gr?) is just as important because there is definitely a political party type thing going on between them with select flip flopping going on. The villains have always been equally important considering their goals to the heroes. Its a much more dynamic story than most hero-villain relationship.

 

[cerealkiller182]

And it is a shame that Quicksilver has had no good costume designs from pretty much any comic, which leaves animators stuck trying to pick his least sucky suit and animate that one. In green he almost looks like an elf.

I always likedhis blue/silver avengers look.

It is amusing how Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were heroes for twice the length they were villains yet all multi-media presentations seem to ignore that, save for the 90's show (which had them as part of X-Factor).

I feel like they always want to startthem as villains because oftheir realtion to Mags and have the dynamic hero-villain flip flop story in their pocket.

 

[Telekinetic]

i wish they went with that outfit rather then the green one, but that is the one he wore when he was a villain

so hopefully in the series he might be a goodguy and change into the blue and white one

 

[iamlegend]

You've got Domino and Polaris there. There's some variety.

Domino is a C-lister with less than exciting powers and Polaris will almost surely be an X-Man by the end of the first season.

Poof, there goes the variety.

And the problem with the "political" thing, to whomever brought it up...

For the most part, goons like Blob, Toad, and Avalanche are always written as generic soldiers that don't actually believe in Magneto's dream... They just like beating stuff up. Quicksilver and Wanda, though, did buy into Mag's thing (for awhile), which is why they're frequently paired with him.

 

[Telekinetic]

It would be interesting if they kept Polaris around, and then have her go crazy, thats my favorite

 

[anrrd_2]

i hope we get to see magma and surge and other new mutants come in to play.

 

[Dread]

I always likedhis blue/silver avengers look.

I feel like they always want to startthem as villains because oftheir realtion to Mags and have the dynamic hero-villain flip flop story in their pocket.

I know Perez designed that look, but to me it looked too busy. Like he couldn't decide between two costumes, so he merged 'em. Looks like something an 80's hair metal band-mate might have worn.

I understand that dynamic, but it can seem a little repetitive. We'll see how they go with it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Domino is a C-lister with less than exciting powers and Polaris will almost surely be an X-Man by the end of the first season.

Poof, there goes the variety.

Geezus Christ whatever. These are characters who were never featured before in an animated show, and they are backing Magneto. That's different from Toad, Avalanche, Blob, and Quicksilver.

If Domino is a C-lister what does that make EXODUS?!!!

It is amusing how Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were heroes for twice the length they were villains yet all multi-media presentations seem to ignore that, save for the 90's show (which had them as part of X-Factor).

Scarlet Witch was a member of THE AVENGERS in the late 1990's show. Besides that what else have they been in? In the 90's series they weren't villains. Nor was Quicksilver.

X-men Evolution. What else could they have done? It was a totally different type of storyline with most of the characters as high school kids. A young Quicksilver is recruited to be in the Brotherhood led by his father. Wanda's been kept in a looney bin since childhood. In the end they turned on the side of good ultimately, so what's wrong with that?

Dread, more and more it looks like you are just finding and picking at things to complain about this show just to complain about it.

The way I see it, it's an apt way to introduce the characters. Quicksilver throughout all his history, even as a hero and Avengers, has been quite dubious at times. Scarlet Witch often goes bat**** insane. This is how the characters originated. They were members of the Brotherhood.

 

[Dread]

Scarlet Witch was a member of THE AVENGERS in the late 1990's show. Besides that what else have they been in? In the 90's series they weren't villains. Nor was Quicksilver.

X-men Evolution. What else could they have done? It was a totally different type of storyline with most of the characters as high school kids. A young Quicksilver is recruited to be in the Brotherhood led by his father. Wanda's been kept in a looney bin since childhood. In the end they turned on the side of good ultimately, so what's wrong with that?

Dread, more and more it looks like you are just finding and picking at things to complain about this show just to complain about it.

The way I see it, it's an apt way to introduce the characters. Quicksilver throughout all his history, even as a hero and Avengers, has been quite dubious at times. Scarlet Witch often goes bat**** insane. This is how the characters originated. They were members of the Brotherhood.

The irony is Scarlet Witch wasn't known for going "bat **** insane" "often" until Disassembled, which retconned that she had when she hadn't for, oh, 15 years. But I digress. Yeah, Pietro often was a *****e but Wanda was one of the Avengers longtime heroines, and after Disassembled she is a waste. Digressing again, sorry.

I'm being critical, and I figure someone should since we have people who have seen two trailers and a cast sheet and are already proclaiming this as the greatest cartoon show ever. To me it looks like leftover Evolution ideas merged with X3 and the comics and we will see how it goes.

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch didn't become good in Evolution. They stayed with the Brotherhood until the end. Unless you count the "fast forward" Xavier visions. But by that logic, you could say Evolution also had Dark Phoenix in it, as well as Bastion.

Besides, I'm amazed you're nitpicking me over this rather than me failing to collapse into a geek-stupor simply because Colossus was in a GROUP SHOT.

 

[TheVileOne]

The irony is Scarlet Witch wasn't known for going "bat **** insane" "often" until Disassembled, which retconned that she had when she hadn't for, oh, 15 years. But I digress. Yeah, Pietro often was a *****e but Wanda was one of the Avengers longtime heroines, and after Disassembled she is a waste. Digressing again, sorry.

She did marry a freaking android, had sex with it, and pretended they had twin babies together. That was kind of batty pre-retcon.

But still either way. This isn't an Avengers story. It's an X-men story. For her to be in the X-men cartoon, it makes more sense for her to start as the villain to aide Mags. And you didn't acknowledge that she was a member of the team in the Avengers cartoon.

I'm being critical, and I figure someone should since we have people who have seen two trailers and a cast sheet and are already proclaiming this as the greatest cartoon show ever. To me it looks like leftover Evolution ideas merged with X3 and the comics and we will see how it goes.

Steven Blum saying this has the best writing of any show he's ever worked on is not something to take lightly.

To me this looks better than Evolutio. Since it has the X-men as adults. And it looks like a more intense, darker story from the outset.

Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch didn't become good in Evolution. They stayed with the Brotherhood until the end. Unless you count the "fast forward" Xavier visions. But by that logic, you could say Evolution also had Dark Phoenix in it, as well as Bastion.

At the very end everyone worked together though against a common enemy. Pietro and Wanda weren't truly bad people. Wanda especially.

Besides, I'm amazed you're nitpicking me over this rather than me failing to collapse into a geek-stupor simply because Colossus was in a GROUP SHOT.

The Colossus thing was a joke. You seem to be nitpicking about the show a lot unfairly. Once Colossus shows up as an important character, that will be the straw that breaks your camel's back.

 

[jmc247]

You've got Domino and Polaris there. There's some variety.

Yes, but they weren't nice enough to include Polaris in the promo picture, but they included Domino.

Of course the promo people were probably like most casual fans. "Who is this green haired girl?" I suspect this will be millions of casual fans first real intro to the character.

Unlike Wanda and Pietro, Lorna was never pushed hard by Marvel and she spent much of her time over the years in limbo, being tortured, or mind controlled. So most casual fans know a little about Wanda and Pietro but nothing about Lorna.

Polaris will almost surely be an X-Man by the end of the first season.

I certainly hope not. If she becomes an X-Man by the end of the first season she will appear in the rest of the animated series as much as she appeared in TAS and X-Men Evo meaning hardly ever to never. At least if the character is freelance she would get some screen time after Genosha is destoryed.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I know Perez designed that look, but to me it looked too busy. Like he couldn't decide between two costumes, so he merged 'em. Looks like something an 80's hair metal band-mate might have worn.

I understand that dynamic, but it can seem a little repetitive. We'll see how they go with it.

I think if they get rid of the extra blue bolts on the white side and get rid of the Michael Jackson glove itd be better

 

[Dread]

She did marry a freaking android, had sex with it, and pretended they had twin babies together. That was kind of batty pre-retcon.

At the time, it wasn't considered too batty. Remember, that was the tail end of the Silver Age. Couples marrying and having babies was standard fare.

Is it freakier than the android Human Torch somehow having blood to transfuse to Spitfire to give her her powers? I mean, how the **** does a robot have BLOOD!? A WWII era robot, even? But, that's another story.

But still either way. This isn't an Avengers story. It's an X-men story. For her to be in the X-men cartoon, it makes more sense for her to start as the villain to aide Mags. And you didn't acknowledge that she was a member of the team in the Avengers cartoon.

Because I do what most people do, pretend that awful mess that is AVENGERS: UWS from '99 never happened. It was a waste of everyone's time. And to date it was the last attempt at 616 Avengers. At least since Marvel/LG is obsessed with "Avengers Babies".

Steven Blum saying this has the best writing of any show he's ever worked on is not something to take lightly.

Not to knock Blum's opinion; he's a legend in the VA biz, and I wouldn't want to argue with the original voice of GUYVER III (yeah, this goes way back), but I have never heard any actor on any production say that it was anything but great before it premired. I mean all the actors on BATMAN & ROBIN was gushing on late night shows about how awesome it was (Jay Leno even called it, "The best Batman movie so far" or something). For the life of me I have never heard any actor of a new show coming out going, "Well, it has it's moments, but it has it's hassles, but hey, I'm being paid."

I mean, I read a few articles prepping fans for AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND in WIZARD in 1998 or so, and everyone thought that was a masterpiece, too.

Am I saying I expect W&TXM to be that bad? Oh, hell no. I just am not expecting The Rapture like some people are. I'm the type where I have to see something's full product before I start to gush.

To me this looks better than Evolutio. Since it has the X-men as adults. And it looks like a more intense, darker story from the outset.

I thought so too, but then we found out very quickly that Xavier survived the bombing attack, so that takes some of the edge off. Frankly, I wouldn't have included that in a trailer; I would have wanted to keep the fans guessing. These two trailers have all but told us the basic plot of the first half of the season. Research says that is what people like, but I sometimes like to be surprised.

By the virtue of the cast being grown up, it will probably be more mature.

At the very end everyone worked together though against a common enemy. Pietro and Wanda weren't truly bad people. Wanda especially.

Wanda only needed to be brainwashed by Mastermind to loose her mean streak. Something Quicksilver was more than aware of but figured was for the best. That kind of reminds me of Toad; I felt rather sorry for him. He has crushing hard on Wanda but she had zero interest in him and whenever he seemed to get an in, he'd screw it up by being gross. At least he wasn't as fanatic as Blob when he was rejected.

And, it was the Apocalypse who only "killed" their father. The twins had every reason to fight him. Evolution ended after that so we'll never know how they would have immediately turned out. I mean, Xavier's vision alluded to the Brotherhood basically becoming Freedom Force, and they were hardly very nice in the comics.

The Colossus thing was a joke. You seem to be nitpicking about the show a lot unfairly. Once Colossus shows up as an important character, that will be the straw that breaks your camel's back.

I'll believe that when I see it. Only fools or optimists (to me, two of the same thing) expect a show to undo 15+ years of history before seeing a single full episode.

I think if they get rid of the extra blue bolts on the white side and get rid of the Michael Jackson glove itd be better

Part of the problem is that obviously the designs are trying hard not to rip off The Flash's outfit. The irony is that if you switched the colors to blue and silver, Dynamic Man's costume from THE TWELVE would look pretty good on him.

 

[TheVileOne]

At the time, it wasn't considered too batty. Remember, that was the tail end of the Silver Age. Couples marrying and having babies was standard fare.

THEY WERE NOT REAL BABIES SHE CONJURED THEM UP WITH MAGIC! SHE BELIEVED THEY WERE REAL!

Is it freakier than the android Human Torch somehow having blood to transfuse to Spitfire to give her her powers? I mean, how the **** does a robot have BLOOD!? A WWII era robot, even? But, that's another story.

Erroneous.

Because I do what most people do, pretend that awful mess that is AVENGERS: UWS from '99 never happened. It was a waste of everyone's time. And to date it was the last attempt at 616 Avengers. At least since Marvel/LG is obsessed with "Avengers Babies".

It happened. Scarlet Witch was in it. She was a member of the Avengers team. So besides the 90's X-men series, she also appeared as a "hero" in the Avengers cartoon. So really in only one other cartoon she's been in besides this one has she been a villain/heavy character.

Not to knock Blum's opinion; he's a legend in the VA biz, and I wouldn't want to argue with the original voice of GUYVER III (yeah, this goes way back), but I have never heard any actor on any production say that it was anything but great before it premired. I mean all the actors on BATMAN & ROBIN was gushing on late night shows about how awesome it was (Jay Leno even called it, "The best Batman movie so far" or something). For the life of me I have never heard any actor of a new show coming out going, "Well, it has it's moments, but it has it's hassles, but hey, I'm being paid."

Steven Blum:

1) not a movie star for crappy movies like Batman and Robin.

2) rarely says anything like this for anything he's working on. That's why it is not to be taken lightly. Considering he's been openly honest about how little he cares about some of the shows he's worked/working on. That's why its not like the garbage Clooney or other movie stars saying OH THIS IS THE BEST EVER! When Blum says things like this, he is trustworthy and can be taken seriously.

3) Blum is also a writer himself. He writes for one of the most popular cartoons and best stories in the world.

I mean, I read a few articles prepping fans for AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND in WIZARD in 1998 or so, and everyone thought that was a masterpiece, too.

Umm none of that has anything to do with Steven Blum.

Am I saying I expect W&TXM to be that bad? Oh, hell no. I just am not expecting The Rapture like some people are. I'm the type where I have to see something's full product before I start to gush.

I think you are. And you will be proven wrong. You shouldn't have to gush now. But you are stacking the deck.

I thought so too, but then we found out very quickly that Xavier survived the bombing attack, so that takes some of the edge off. Frankly, I wouldn't have included that in a trailer; I would have wanted to keep the fans guessing. These two trailers have all but told us the basic plot of the first half of the season. Research says that is what people like, but I sometimes like to be surprised.

Xavier's death was questionable since it was never stated outright in the LEAKED unofficial promo trailer that he was dead. Plus he appeared in a promo proster wearing bionic leg bracers. Most people could've guessed that it wouldn't be it for Xavier. The dude's been killed a million times already anyway. Jean's died a dozen times or something.

I'll believe that when I see it. Only fools or optimists (to me, two of the same thing) expect a show to undo 15+ years of history before seeing a single full episode.

I'm willing to make a sig bet over this Dread. How about it?

 

[Majik1387]

Can't believe I've never seen this thread.


Everything looks good so far.

 

[shadowdog]

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I just love the look Storm is shooting Emma....

thought bubble- *I don't know why she thinks she's Jean Grey, cause she's no Jean Grey, and white lipstick, really?*

 

[The Weather God]

LOL I actually didn't notice that look until you mentioned it.

 

[The Weather God]

Here are a few random screencaps I took from the trailer.

 

[Dread]

THEY WERE NOT REAL BABIES SHE CONJURED THEM UP WITH MAGIC! SHE BELIEVED THEY WERE REAL!

Indeed. And it drove her crazy. In the 90's. She had moved on and showed no signs of relapse for at least a decade, maybe more, until 2004 came along and Bendis needed a dues ex machina. So Wanda is back to being crazy and suddenly it was like she was freaking out every other arc.

It happened. Scarlet Witch was in it. She was a member of the Avengers team. So besides the 90's X-men series, she also appeared as a "hero" in the Avengers cartoon. So really in only one other cartoon she's been in besides this one has she been a villain/heavy character.

By that logic, we should never see the High Evolutionary as a villain again, because he showed up in SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED barely 9 years ago (he was, in fact, the "main" enemy of that series in a way). And it is also great that Silver Surfer and Galactus never showed up in the last FF cartoon, because Surfer already got a prior series in '99, so it would have been boring, too.

I was just bemused about how Pietro and Scarlet Witch weren't part of the Brotherhood in over 40 years, really, but in the last two cartoon incarnations, they have been. As if it was natural.

Steven Blum:

1) not a movie star for crappy movies like Batman and Robin.

2) rarely says anything like this for anything he's working on. That's why it is not to be taken lightly. Considering he's been openly honest about how little he cares about some of the shows he's worked/working on. That's why its not like the garbage Clooney or other movie stars saying OH THIS IS THE BEST EVER! When Blum says things like this, he is trustworthy and can be taken seriously.

3) Blum is also a writer himself. He writes for one of the most popular cartoons and best stories in the world.

I'm not a Blum chaser. Does he really have a blog or something where he rails against some of the shows he was paid to act for, but he doesn't think were that hot? I'm asking honestly.

Umm none of that has anything to do with Steven Blum.

I was noting the market reality that most actors or writers or producers during the "buzz" phase of marketing a product will rarely say anything that isn't positive. When they do, it is taboo. Heck, Edward Norton is "snubbing" promoting INCREDIBLE HULK over issues with editing and that is a big deal.

Knowing this reality, and without a prior knowledge of Blum's interview patterns, him thinking W&TXM is among the best things he's been on isn't too unusual a statement. That was my point.

I think you are. And you will be proven wrong. You shouldn't have to gush now. But you are stacking the deck.

If it is good, I will gush like mad. You need only read my reviews for SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, a show I was hardly expecting to be as good as it is, to see that I can gush. I had a slight rep for fangasming over 2k3's TMNT.

The trailers so far are better than I expected. Still, they are coming off the movie trilogy that made no secrets about believing that Wolverine was the be-all and end all of the franchise, and without him, it isn't worth having the X-Men. I disagree about this opinion, and I was a former Wolverine fanatic. Hell, ten years ago and I'd have fully debated about why he should beat the Hulk.

Xavier's death was questionable since it was never stated outright in the LEAKED unofficial promo trailer that he was dead. Plus he appeared in a promo proster wearing bionic leg bracers. Most people could've guessed that it wouldn't be it for Xavier. The dude's been killed a million times already anyway. Jean's died a dozen times or something.

It could have been possible that promo art back then didn't reflect changes since. After all, promo art for TEEN TITANS and LEGION OF SUPERHEROES, even X-MEN EVOLUTION changed a few times with characters coming and going before the finished product debuted.

Yeah, Xavier and Jean die a few times a year it seems, and the question I have is, "should I be excited to see stuff in a cartoon that I am tired of in the comics"?

I'm willing to make a sig bet over this Dread. How about it?

Are you serious? That's ridiculously juvenile, even for a message board.

I just love the look Storm is shooting Emma....

thought bubble- *I don't know why she thinks she's Jean Grey, cause she's no Jean Grey, and white lipstick, really?*

I hadn't noticed that, that is amusing.

Here are a few random screencaps I took from the trailer.

Now, one of the things about Evolution that I have heard no end of criticism about is Steven E. Gordon's design for Juggernaut; many people felt it was "too skinny". I thought he was large enough compared to the other characters (and admittedly, the animation for his appearance in Season 3 was better than it was for Season 1). But I am curious about thoughts on this design. I think Juggy looks large enough, but in an attempt to merge the comics and movie designs, the costume is a little too "busy" and detailed. But it ain't bad.

I won't argue about proportion because, well, that'd be hypocritical considering my liking of SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, Cheeks Galloway designs and all.

 

[TheVileOne]

I was just bemused about how Pietro and Scarlet Witch weren't part of the Brotherhood in over 40 years, really, but in the last two cartoon incarnations, they have been. As if it was natural.

They were in the brotherhood in the Ultimate Universe. Which this show has grabbed a couple elements from.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I dont think Juggie is very busy, Dread. I think i actually prefer the Evo design

 

[Telekinetic]

i think he looks fine this time, but his waist is supper skinny.