Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[Dark Spidey]

I still say it's Carlie. The thing that makes me doubt it is MJ is how ridiculously obvious it would be, however given Marvel's track record on this kind of thing maybe she is Jackpot.

But if MJ isn't Jackpot... how will she figure into the new status-quo?

 

[Jamh]

But if MJ isn't Jackpot... how will she figure into the new status-quo?

Ex-girlfriend who shows up from time to time to cause awkwardness between Peter and his latest romantic interest?

 

[Dark Spidey]

Ex-girlfriend who shows up from time to time to cause awkwardness between Peter and his latest romantic interest?

Hmm... Maybe. But I think it would be a waste of the character.

 

[Themanofbat]

At that time Venom was an anti-hero, so making a deal with him was no worse than making a deal with the Punisher or to a lesser extent Wolverine (both known KILLERS). I'm not saying Peter hasn't made bad decisions, we all do, however making a deal with the devil is beyond bad it's just plain stupid. Altering history and reality, not to mention sacrificing the love of your life, to save your dying aunt who already accepted responsibility for such a fate when she talked you into unmasking in the first place is completely insane. There is nothing more irresponsible than that, I guess "With great power comes great responsibility" doesn't apply when dealing with the devil. Let's not even get into the horrible portrayal of MJ. The fact that she pressured him to do it (just like the unmasking) is even worse.

Wolverine and the Punisher do not kill innocent people who are "in their way".

Venom has...

Peter making deals with Venom is an extremely irresponsible thing to do... but it's ok with you because you liked those stories, and it's unacceptable now because you hate the new stories.

 

[DoomRulz]

Wolverine and the Punisher do not kill innocent people who are "in their way".

Venom has...

Peter making deals with Venom is an extremely irresponsible thing to do... but it's ok with you because you liked those stories, and it's unacceptable now because you hate the new stories.

He has made deals with Venom though. Remember the 1st Carnage story? Spidey agreed that if Venom helped him, Venom goes free.

 

[Blader5489]

He has made deals with Venom though. Remember the 1st Carnage story? Spidey agreed that if Venom helped him, Venom goes free.

I think that was the point he was trying to make.

 

[Jamh]

Wolverine and the Punisher do not kill innocent people who are "in their way".

Venom has...

So Wolverine has never killed any law enforcement official that has come after him before?

Peter making deals with Venom is an extremely irresponsible thing to do... but it's ok with you because you liked those stories, and it's unacceptable now because you hate the new stories.

Letting Venom go is nowhere near the same thing as letting ultimate evil have its' way. Venom avoided killing innocent people as much as possible, Joephisto exists only to create misery and suffering in the world. There's a big difference from letting a killer who's helped you in the past go and making a deal with the devil that not only alters you past, present, and future but mentally rapes the entire planet.

 

[Jamh]

He has made deals with Venom though. Remember the 1st Carnage story? Spidey agreed that if Venom helped him, Venom goes free.

And he broke that deal which only made things between him and Venom worse.

 

[spiderfan970]

http://comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=20

Erik Larsen's two cents in the divorce...

-"Have Peter and MJ get divorced. She can't take the pressure any more -- living with Peter is giving her nightmares, he's always in danger, always getting hurt, Peter's always late for stuff because of Spider-Man and every time she can't help feel that this will be the time that he never comes back -- and she just can't stand it. It's all too much. She files for the divorce. She leaves him. He becomes that much more of a loser. He could try to make things right -- promise to give up the tights and all that -- but great power and great responsibility and all the rest and he has to save somebody and she goes through with filing for a divorce. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]And this would not have to be an extended fight-for-every-last-item in the apartment kind of divorce -- the idea here is to have the two stay friends. They still love each other, but can’t live with each other. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]And Spider-Man getting a divorce would be big news -- in the real world -- but Marvel has always prided itself on realism and a divorce is a realistic solution, not a "comic booky" solution. Marvel would get a lot more mileage out of a tastefully handled divorce than a hastily executed mind-wipe. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]If the powers that be had mandated that within three months time, nobody in the comics will refer to Peter Parker being divorced and will instead simply refer to him as being "single" or "on the market again," the net result really could essentially be the same -- the same stories could have been told, only the back-story would have been a lot less confusing." [/FONT]

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

DIVORCE MAKES PETER LOOK LIKE AN OLD MAN!!! PETER NEEDS TO BE YOUNG, HIP, SINGLE... HE HAS TO HAVE SEX AND DOWNLOAD PORN!!! ONLY THE DEVIL CAN GIVE THIS TO HIM!!! BESIDES DON'T LOOK TO THE PAST... IT'S OLD AND FULL OF MISTAKES... LOOK FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE! A WORLD FREE OF GEEKS WHO ***** AND MOAN FOR EVERY MISTAKE THEY MAKE WHEN THEY READ AN ISSUE, CAUSE WE'RE PERFECT! BUY THE ******* NEW ISSUES! BURN YOUR OLD ISSUES! THEY'RE WORTHLESS... LIKE THE PAST!!! LOOK FORWARD, DON'T LOOK BACK... HEROES WORSHIP SATAN!!! DON'T SMOKE! IT'S BAD FOR J00! BUY THE ISSUES DAMN IT!!! BUY THEM 10 OR MORE TIMES!!!

This is the message I hear when people defend Peter Faust Parker : the Satanic Worshipping Spider-man... Thank you Joe... You've done a SWELL job on Spidey... When are you raping Daredevil?

 

[Themanofbat]

Letting Venom go is nowhere near the same thing as letting ultimate evil have its' way. Venom avoided killing innocent people as much as possible, Joephisto exists only to create misery and suffering in the world. There's a big difference from letting a killer who's helped you in the past go and making a deal with the devil that not only alters you past, present, and future but mentally rapes the entire planet.

Look at Venom's early days... he killed anyone to get to Spider-Man...

 

[Jamh]

Look at Venom's early days... he killed anyone to get to Spider-Man...

By the time Peter made that deal Venom had somewhat reformed and was trying to protect innocent people, in his own twisted way, and while it was a bad decision it still doesn't compare to a deal with the devil. Can you explain how it does?

 

[Venom 1988]

http://comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=20

lol I love his thoughts on going back to webshooters

Who the hell cares? Spider-Man gets hit by a beam of radiation or some such nonsense and the blasted things dry up and he goes back to his old web-shooters until his organic ones kick back in and they never kick back in. End of story.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=20

Erik Larsen's two cents in the divorce...

-"Have Peter and MJ get divorced. She can't take the pressure any more -- living with Peter is giving her nightmares, he's always in danger, always getting hurt, Peter's always late for stuff because of Spider-Man and every time she can't help feel that this will be the time that he never comes back -- and she just can't stand it. It's all too much. She files for the divorce. She leaves him. He becomes that much more of a loser. He could try to make things right -- promise to give up the tights and all that -- but great power and great responsibility and all the rest and he has to save somebody and she goes through with filing for a divorce. [/size][/font]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]And this would not have to be an extended fight-for-every-last-item in the apartment kind of divorce -- the idea here is to have the two stay friends. They still love each other, but can’t live with each other. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]And Spider-Man getting a divorce would be big news -- in the real world -- but Marvel has always prided itself on realism and a divorce is a realistic solution, not a "comic booky" solution. Marvel would get a lot more mileage out of a tastefully handled divorce than a hastily executed mind-wipe. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]If the powers that be had mandated that within three months time, nobody in the comics will refer to Peter Parker being divorced and will instead simply refer to him as being "single" or "on the market again," the net result really could essentially be the same -- the same stories could have been told, only the back-story would have been a lot less confusing." [/FONT]

Erik Larsen makes some very good points. I'm glad that he is on our side about this.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Wolverine and the Punisher do not kill innocent people who are "in their way".

Venom has...

Peter making deals with Venom is an extremely irresponsible thing to do... but it's ok with you because you liked those stories, and it's unacceptable now because you hate the new stories.

Spidey making a deal with SATAN and a deal with Venom are not comparable.

Now, if Venom were the lord of the underworld and the antithesis to love, everything that was good and decent, and out to enslave all the souls of mankind....then yeah, I could see your point.

But it's the friggin' devil here. He trumps Venom fifty thousand times over in terms of pure evilness.

 

[DoomRulz]

Spidey making a deal with SATAN and a deal with Venom are not comparable.

Now, if Venom were the lord of the underworld and the antithesis to love, everything that was good and decent, and out to enslave all the souls of mankind....then yeah, I could see your point.

But it's the friggin' devil here. He trumps Venom fifty thousand times over in terms of pure evilness.

The principle remains the same. It's the angel dealing with the devil.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The principle remains the same. It's the angel dealing with the devil.

Sure the principle is the same, just like the principle is the same when you shoot someone in the head and kill them and shoot someone in the leg and kill them. It's bad to hurt people.

But one of those consequences is a lot worse, because in one instance you're killing a dude, and in the other you're crippling him.

It's the same with Venom and Mephisto. Yes it's the same principle, but making the deal with Mephisto was by far the worst agreement he made, and by far the dumbest.

 

[DoomRulz]

Sure the principle is the same, just like the principle is the same when you shoot someone in the head and kill them and shoot someone in the leg and kill them. It's bad to hurt people.

But one of those consequences is a lot worse, because in one instance you're killing a dude, and in the other you're crippling him.

It's the same with Venom and Mephisto. Yes it's the same principle, but making the deal with Mephisto was by far the worst agreement he made, and by far the dumbest.

Wait, which was the crippling deal, Mephisto or Venom? I'm asking b/c one could argue that crippling someone is worse than killing him b/c he has to live in constant pain. If you kill him, that's the end of it.

 

[Blader5489]

DIVORCE MAKES PETER LOOK LIKE AN OLD MAN!!! PETER NEEDS TO BE YOUNG, HIP, SINGLE... HE HAS TO HAVE SEX AND DOWNLOAD PORN!!! ONLY THE DEVIL CAN GIVE THIS TO HIM!!! BESIDES DON'T LOOK TO THE PAST... IT'S OLD AND FULL OF MISTAKES... LOOK FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE! A WORLD FREE OF GEEKS WHO ***** AND MOAN FOR EVERY MISTAKE THEY MAKE WHEN THEY READ AN ISSUE, CAUSE WE'RE PERFECT! BUY THE ******* NEW ISSUES! BURN YOUR OLD ISSUES! THEY'RE WORTHLESS... LIKE THE PAST!!! LOOK FORWARD, DON'T LOOK BACK... HEROES WORSHIP SATAN!!! DON'T SMOKE! IT'S BAD FOR J00! BUY THE ISSUES DAMN IT!!! BUY THEM 10 OR MORE TIMES!!!

This is the message I hear when people defend Peter Faust Parker : the Satanic Worshipping Spider-man... Thank you Joe... You've done a SWELL job on Spidey... When are you raping Daredevil?

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Wait, which was the crippling deal, Mephisto or Venom? I'm asking b/c one could argue that crippling someone is worse than killing him b/c he has to live in constant pain. If you kill him, that's the end of it.

I was saying Mephisto was the killing one, and I wasn't really talking about the consequences for the man getting shot, I meant for what happens to the guy doing the shooting (which would be Spidey).

If you cripple a guy you go to jail for a long time, but you usually have a change to eventually get out.

If you kill a guy, you go to jail for a really long time, and there's a very small chance you'll ever get out.


Really though, Venom and Mephisto are not comparable in who's the more "evil" villain. Venom kills people, Mephisto enslaves souls and tortures them for eternity. I'd have to say Mephisto takes the "most evil" prize.

 

[DoomRulz]

We're arguing in circles at this point. Either camp isn't going to convince the other that their view is the proper one. Why keep this up?

 

[DoomRulz]

I was saying Mephisto was the killing one, and I wasn't really talking about the consequences for the man getting shot, I meant for what happens to the guy doing the shooting (which would be Spidey).

If you cripple a guy you go to jail for a long time, but you usually have a change to eventually get out.

If you kill a guy, you go to jail for a really long time, and there's a very small chance you'll ever get out.


Really though, Venom and Mephisto are not comparable in who's the more "evil" villain. Venom kills people, Mephisto enslaves souls and tortures them for eternity. I'd have to say Mephisto takes the "most evil" prize.

Fair enough. I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph.

 

[T'Jai]

We're arguing in circles at this point. Either camp isn't going to convince the other that their view is the proper one. Why keep this up?

cause I'm enjoying reading these inane moments immensely t:

 

[Infinity9999x]

Fair enough. I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph.

That was really the point I was trying to make. I mean, I'm not trying to say that Pete making a deal with Venom was a good thing, it wasn't, but usually in stories making deals with the Devil yields the worst consequences which was why I thought it was even more stupid of Peter to make a deal with Mephisto then Venom. The worst Venom can do to Pete is kill him, the worst Mephisto can do is trick Pete into selling his soul.

 

[Themanofbat]

By the time Peter made that deal Venom had somewhat reformed and was trying to protect innocent people, in his own twisted way, and while it was a bad decision it still doesn't compare to a deal with the devil. Can you explain how it does?

Spidey making a deal with SATAN and a deal with Venom are not comparable.

Now, if Venom were the lord of the underworld and the antithesis to love, everything that was good and decent, and out to enslave all the souls of mankind....then yeah, I could see your point.

But it's the friggin' devil here. He trumps Venom fifty thousand times over in terms of pure evilness.

I'm not suggesting they're comparable.. the devil is obviously more evil than Venom ever was...

BUT... the point I was trying to make is that when everybody was going on about how irresponsible it was for Peter to make such a deal with Satan, we have precedents of Peter making similar irresponsible deals with other bad guys in the past.

Just because Peter has the "with great power comes great responsibility" motto doesn't mean that he has always taken the responsible road... and his deals with Venom are one of many.