Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I agree that Marvel should strive to supply all three Spidey titles with high profile writers and artists, but I think their reasoning for not doing that is that the other two titles don't sell high enough to justify having big names doing those books.

I can understand where they are coming from. If I owned Marvel, I wouldn't want to pay top dollar for creative teams when not nearly that many people are going to read the book.

Granted, I'm a fan of Friendly and Sensational...I have every issue of each book, but I can understand this move and the reason why it was done.

 

[farmernudie]

Yeh. I can understand it too, ...per say.

What it is all going to boil down to tho, no matter WHAT THEY CALL IT or how many times a month they crank it out.....is the story CONTENT.

I think (feel) that Spidey comics are truly at a crossroads right now in this day and age.....and that fans are wanting things to move forward. If they are persistant and try to ruin the marriage of Pete and MJ....people will be dropping "it" like flies. That will only move things backward.

It seems that there is a strong consensus of people not wanting to read

1.) MJ mindwiped storys-can't remember she is married,
2.) MJ and Pete split up, divorced, widower, is a skrull, time travel altered, etc....
3.) MJ mindwiped dating her husband.
4.) MJ mindwiped unknowingly cheating on her husband by dating others.
5.) The eventual Pete and MJ reunion again, after sales drop and fan backlash is in.

I think fans would like to move forward now, and not end up back here in the same place one year from now with the next big event to correct this event.

And is anyone THAT confident, in all honesty, that Amazing 3X will last more than a year before they re-name, relaunch, and renumber???

Sure, I HOPE it will work, but i tend to look at things realistically i guess, based on trends and how it just goes and has gone.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I agree that Marvel should strive to supply all three Spidey titles with high profile writers and artists, but I think their reasoning for not doing that is that the other two titles don't sell high enough to justify having big names doing those books.

I can understand where they are coming from. If I owned Marvel, I wouldn't want to pay top dollar for creative teams when not nearly that many people are going to read the book.

Granted, I'm a fan of Friendly and Sensational...I have every issue of each book, but I can understand this move and the reason why it was done.[/QUOTE

You may be right. I remember when Mark Millar launched Marvel Knights: Spider-Man...he was a red-hot writer at the time (still IS, i guess), but his book wasnt out-selling ASM, iirc....

 

[stillanerd]

Yeh. I can understand it too, ...per say.

What it is all going to boil down to tho, no matter WHAT THEY CALL IT or how many times a month they crank it out.....is the story CONTENT.

I think (feel) that Spidey comics are truly at a crossroads right now in this day and age.....and that fans are wanting things to move forward. If they are persistant and try to ruin the marriage of Pete and MJ....people will be dropping "it" like flies. That will only move things backward.

It seems that there is a strong consensus of people not wanting to read

1.) MJ mindwiped storys-can't remember she is married,
2.) MJ and Pete split up, divorced, widower, is a skrull, time travel altered, etc....
3.) MJ mindwiped dating her husband.
4.) MJ mindwiped unknowingly cheating on her husband by dating others.
5.) The eventual Pete and MJ reunion again, after sales drop and fan backlash is in.

I think fans would like to move forward now, and not end up back here in the same place one year from now with the next big event to correct this event.

And is anyone THAT confident, in all honesty, that Amazing 3X will last more than a year before they re-name, relaunch, and renumber???

Sure, I HOPE it will work, but i tend to look at things realistically i guess, based on trends and how it just goes and has gone.

What about 6.) MJ marriage being mindwiped and she returns as a costumed crimefighter? (That is, if FCBD and that Jackpot character was an indication of where things are heading)?

And BTW, moving backwards has, in a sense, been Joe Q's strategy from the get-go while at the same time saying it's a step forward. Remember his oft repeated comments about "putting genie's back in bottles?" In other words, attempting to rectify what he feels were mistakes and get things back on track but make them seem like they're actually new directions. The first was House of M, and the genie there was to try to make the mutants a minority again by reducing their number. Well, not only was it overdone by making the worldwide population of mutants into the mere hundreds, but then Marvel has been gradually increasing the numbers of mutants, Quicksilver's new found "mutant restoration" powers being one method. Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the event? Or how about the most recent "genie" with Civil War, in which the goal was to make heroes less trustworthy of each other and less likely to come together in a time of crisis just like they were in the beginning. Well, haven't we already seen in World War Hulk the beginning of both registered and non-registered heroes beginning to team-up against the Hulk, and Iron Man even going so far as to pardon non-registered heroes if they cooperate? Again, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the event? Now, we have One More Day, in which it's rumored that, somehow, Peter and MJ's marriage will end and that Spidey will be single again to make him appear younger. But then, once he starts dating again, especially if it's MJ, again--doesn't that defeat the whole purpose behind the event?

 

[farmernudie]

^Exactly.

He takes us backward by "undoing" things...to where things were BEFORE at one time...ONLY TO SLOWLY BUILD THEM BACK UP TO WHAT HE HAS "UNDONE" and where we began....your Quicksilver example is merely one great example. He takes us on trips that lead nowhere but to where we started.

If JQ takes Spidey backwards, he is either gonna have to KEEP it THERE or bing us back full circle, unless he is going to change "time" and history per say.

And yeh....i don't care to see a mindwiped MJ fighting crime either....that's a little too cliche and cheesy.

Even more, if he "outlaws" marriage, makes THAT statement, every relationship from here on out is a mute point....whether he ends up DATING his WIFE or not. (and defeats his own purpose, like you said)

MJ and Pete are ICONS now...& JQ knows that...so he won't kill her, but will mindwipe her or timesweep her or some cheesy thing....to achieve his "timeless Charlie Brown feel" that he has talked about & compared them to.

He'll keep MJ "around" to show up in panels...tho i am not sure what MJ's actual "purpose" would be or what it would serve to then keep her that way, (a mindswept oblivious wife) since any changes he stated in their marriage status, Marvel would never "mention", "so people would never know".

Its like JQ, according to his quotes, expects fans to PLAY PRETEND with him regarding the marriage. Ignore the rich continuity and history.

The other thing i really do not like, is if they don't come out and kill MJ or divorce them, (Which i DO NOT want, i am just saying)...it makes Pete or MJ look like total schmucks if they start dating each other or someone else. Of course Marvel and JQ will say..."they don't know they're married anymore"....or some other wink-wink quote.

However, I am hoping JQ bucks his own trends & goes FORWARD & cements the marriage with OMD. I doubt it, but i surely hope so, for the sake of this great character & its fans.

 

[Flint Marko]

I hope so to.

 

[Spydernorbs]

Source: Newsarama.com

Reads Diamond’s piece:

“HEADED FOR THE CHOPPING BLOCK?

“Black Cat, Mary Jane, and Aunt May?

“Is it one of these ladies that take a dirt nap in the upcoming storyline ‘One More Day’? You heard it here, folks. A re-assuring voice and shoulder-to-lean-on is going to be taken out permanent-style in this four-issue storyline, which kicks off in Amazing Spider-Man #544 and Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #24. This body check is whipped up by war horses J. Michael Straczynski and Joe Quesada. Pain is promised. No tissues will be issued!

“Who next gets thrown under the bus like the long-lost Gwen Stacy? Details are hard to come by, but what we do know is that there ain’t much joy in Mudville. Spidey’s gonna get left out in the rain again, and oh, how the tears will flow.”

Just to review the syntax for clarity, despite mentioning Black Cat, Mary Jane, and Aunt May, these characters are only referenced in an open question manner. The only definitive claim made by Diamond is a “re-assuring voice and shoulder-to-lean-on is going to be taken out permanent-style”, seemingly implying it isn’t necessarily one of those characters

For their part, Marvel responded, “no comment” when asked by Newsarama for clarification of this story.

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"Tears will flow"? That right Joey Q? Well, when this issue hits that stands and many of us won't buy it (Operation stick it to the man), and if we don't like what you are doing in this issue. Sales will drop, Blood will spill and my dear EIC of marvel, YOUR "Tears will flow".

 

[farmernudie]

Maybe this is JQ's way of ASKING us to make him cry???!!!

 

[Dangerous]

They can't kill May now ‘cause they will look stupid since she was resurrected, it would mean nothing. As for MJ or BC, killing either of them would suck big time.

 

[Spydernorbs]

Maybe this is JQ's way of ASKING us to make him cry???!!!

I have no problem with that. t:

 

[Venom07]

When are these people going to learn, you don't kill someone for shock value. There's either going to be a backlash and it's usually just a temporary thing anyway.
Look at Gwen's death, it was "shocking" but it was done within the context of the story and really changed the comics industry has a whole, a lot of people even feel this is the end of the silver age of comics. (Hotly debated of course).
May's death in Amazing #400 was handled with dignity and class, it was an older woman who's time had come and it fit. I won't even get in to the whole bringing her back debacle. In general most Spider-Man fans were really touched by this story.
I'll reserve judgement until I read it but just the fact that it's being hyped and hyped as a dirt nap leaves me with a large sense of dread that this is going to be a disaster, or probably will be retconned.
Can it be that hard to get a good writer who respects the character and his history? *sigh*

 

[Dangerous]

May's death in Amazing #400 was handled with dignity and class, it was an older woman who's time had come and it fit. I won't even get in to the whole bringing her back debacle. In general most Spider-Man fans were really touched by this story.

Agreed, it was an amazing send off.

TBH- after Sins Past and The Other I don't let anything bother me until I have read the whole arc. I'm not likely to start freaking out over possible future developments that fat boy JQ might be hinting at unless and when they are realised.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

How is it each time a major story line of some sort comes around that these threads become "I hate JQ, who constantly is raping the Marvel Universe" discussions?

Why do you read them if all you do is complain about where they're going?

 

[Spydernorbs]

Maybe if Joey Q gave us something not to complain about we wouldn't complain, so far.....Sins Past, complain, Sins Remember, complain, The Other, complain, Unmasking, complain and One more PIECE OF CRAP, odds are. complain.

 

[farmernudie]

I don't think too many of us are just hatin' JQ here.

In fact, There have been lots of good valid points on here, that i've read.

I know, if OMD, turns out nothing like he's been promoting and turns out incredibly awesome and decent...i'll give credit where credit is due.

If its just more shock and awe...."overlyhyped killings"....seperating Pete and MJ again in a new way...then....i dunno what I'll do....i'm not gonna be inclined to read my favorite hero anymore tho...sadly.

And i guess my only other choice to read Spidey, is to read Ultimate...

Wish we'd have ANOTHER choice, but that is a mute point now too.

It's a like it or leave it attitude now with everything to be called Amazing.

I want it to be good SO bad...but the more i hear on advertising for OMD and the cancelation of all spidey titles...is making things not look so good.

 

[shogunrua]

maybe it's just me, but it seems that they don't know where to go with Spidey in ASM. It's almost as if they try to compensate for a failed "shocking event" with an other "shocking event"...maybe it's just an impression I don't know.

I've read some time ago old issues of Spidey (from the 60's-70's), damn some were really campy, but wow they were fun, no "Hey Spider-man's buying a new toilet paper! His life will never be the same AGAIN !!!!", just a interesting storylines

 

[Dangerous]

maybe it's just me, but it seems that they don't know where to go with Spidey in ASM. It's almost as if they try to compensate for a failed "shocking event" with an other "shocking event"...maybe it's just an impression I don't know.

I've read some time ago old issues of Spidey (from the 60's-70's), damn some were really campy, but wow they were fun, no "Hey Spider-man's buying a new toilet paper! His life will never be the same AGAIN !!!!", just a interesting storylines

I think your perception is quite acute.

 

[Captivated]

There have been some GREAT stories with Peter and MJ being WELL WRITTEN. I wish they would just ACCEPT that... and instead of being all whinny that it's HARD to do, just suck it up, give the FANS what they want!

Here is a GREAT example from one of my favorite threads...

I know this is different... what follows are "word" pictures. This is a short story called Five Minutes, by Peter David. It is a GREAT Peter/MJ story!

Set in the early "adjustment" days of the marriage, the story is intense, with loving, fighting and... Trust me! It will be the BEST Spidey story you've read in a long time!

Continued:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=9745810&postcount=111
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=9745826&postcount=112

 

[mre]

When are these people going to learn, you don't kill someone for shock value. There's either going to be a backlash and it's usually just a temporary thing anyway.
Look at Gwen's death, it was "shocking" but it was done within the context of the story and really changed the comics industry has a whole, a lot of people even feel this is the end of the silver age of comics. (Hotly debated of course).
May's death in Amazing #400 was handled with dignity and class, it was an older woman who's time had come and it fit. I won't even get in to the whole bringing her back debacle. In general most Spider-Man fans were really touched by this story.
I'll reserve judgement until I read it but just the fact that it's being hyped and hyped as a dirt nap leaves me with a large sense of dread that this is going to be a disaster, or probably will be retconned.
Can it be that hard to get a good writer who respects the character and his history? *sigh*

What makes Gwen's death less shock value than "____"'s death?
What made her's more in context with the story than "_____"?
One could easily say Gwen was killed off so that Peter couldn't marry her. Cop out?

 

[Spydernorbs]

Captivated. You are right, I have that book. I skip the other stories just to read that one. My wife even read it and cried a little. It is the best Peter/MJ story and if they write that into the comics along with a hero/villian battle, you got a great comic.

 

[farmernudie]

MRE: What makes Gwen's death less shock value than "____"'s death?
What made her's more in context with the story than "_____"?
One could easily say Gwen was killed off so that Peter couldn't marry her. Cop out?

IMO...Gwen's death wasn't advertised for months on end ahead of time...number one.

Was it a cop out?....i am not sure. Could be. "COP OUT" will be cemented FOR SURE as the message if they seperate Pete and MJ, AFTER a long history of marriage...will be relationships NOT ALLOWED. They go together now, like it or not, like PB and J.

Nor was Gwen's death over-hyped with words like.."who will take the dirt nap?" that sound like someone trying WAY too hard to sound cool at the local playground.

It didn't feel "cheap"...like it's purpose was to sell an event. It didn't take place in an "arc"...lol...

I think deaths are most poignant when treated respectfully, they're kept dead, they're NOT ADVERTISED ahead of time, and they make sense to the story in some way. Sure, Gwen's death was VERY shocking. It was also heartfelt.

(killing BOTH women, Gwen & MJ, is NOT creative..but cliche)

I can deal with one of their deaths, Gwen, tho i didn't like it at the time.

If it had been advertised as a part of a "ONE MORE DAY WITH GOBBY" Arc months ahead of time, spoken of irreverantly to draw attention..."WHO WILL TAKE A DIRT NAP?"...like marvel is saying for OMD,...LOL....i dunno-Gwen's death would have been CHEAP....Marvel & JQ just try too hard sometimes, sounding cheesy & overly needy (to get us to buy their books these days)

Those are my personal reasons Gwen's death wasn't the same as many of the shock & awe deaths nowa days.

 

[Venom07]

What makes Gwen's death less shock value than "____"'s death?
What made her's more in context with the story than "_____"?
One could easily say Gwen was killed off so that Peter couldn't marry her. Cop out?

I think farmernudie answered it very well, but i'll put in my 2 cents as well.
IMO, while I think Gwen's death was shocking, I don't think it was done for the pure shock value of it all. In fact, at that point, it was really unheard of. Since when doesn't the hero save the girl... especially his girl!!! That didn't happen at least not with a character the magnitude of Spider-Man. It changed the industry and is one of the reasons why a lot of people feel it ends the Silver age of comics. But what made it great IMHO was that it wasn't trying to change the industry, it was just so well done that it did.
And the main reason they did it was because they had no place else to go with Gwen without hurting Spider-Man, there was even some speculation that killing her off could actually hurt sales and the character of Spider-Man as a whole. The writers did it anyway because they felt it would create better stories in the long run and reinforce the personal anguish that makes Spider-Man... Spider-Man.
To me what makes killing Gwen different was that it created shock and change and took risks for the good of the character... it wasn't done to directly increase sales at that moment or with the thoughts of wow, this is going to be a collectors item and we'll hype it so everyone wants to buy it. IMHO, she was simply killed to make Spider-Man better, so the character could grow and improve, if that makes any sense. I really hope I'm explaining myself well.
Anyway, there's a great Wikipedia article on it and you can Google "The Night Gwen Stacy Died: The End of Innocence and the Birth of the Bronze Age" for another interesting read. PLus there's tons of other stuff out there as I'm sure a lot of you are aware.

 

[mre]

IMO...Gwen's death wasn't advertised for months on end ahead of time...number one.

Was it a cop out?....i am not sure. Could be. "COP OUT" will be cemented FOR SURE as the message if they seperate Pete and MJ, AFTER a long history of marriage...will be relationships NOT ALLOWED. They go together now, like it or not, like PB and J.

Nor was Gwen's death over-hyped with words like.."who will take the dirt nap?" that sound like someone trying WAY too hard to sound cool at the local playground.

It didn't feel "cheap"...like it's purpose was to sell an event. It didn't take place in an "arc"...lol...

I think deaths are most poignant when treated respectfully, they're kept dead, they're NOT ADVERTISED ahead of time, and they make sense to the story in some way. Sure, Gwen's death was VERY shocking. It was also heartfelt.

(killing BOTH women, Gwen and MJ, in NOT creative..but cliche)

I can deal with one of their deaths, Gwen, tho i didn't like it at the time.

If it had been advertised as a part of a "ONE MORE DAY WITH GOBBY" Arc months ahead of time, spoken of irreverantly to draw attention..."WHO WILL TAKE A DIRT NAP?"...like marvel is saying for OMD,...LOL....i dunno....Marvel & JQ just try too hard sometimes, sounding cheesy & overly needy (to get us to buy their books).

Those are my personal reasons Gwen's death wasn't the same as many of the shock & awe deaths now a days.

Gwen's death was not advertised months in advance, because comics were not advertised months in advance back in 1973. Mostly because of the internet. Let's face it, if you did not use the internet to see what comics were coming out, then they would not seem hyped to you. The internet is the number one source.
Was her death not over-hyped with the words you described? Hmm... Let's take a look.

Cover of Amazing Spider-man #544 and #545
544: "What would you do if you had ONE MORE DAY?"
545: "...AND WHILE YOU TRY TO FIGURE ALL OF THAT OUT DEAR MARVELITE, REMEMBER THAT... A LIFE HANGS IN THE BALANCE!"

Cover of Amazing Spider-man 121 and 122
121: "Someone CLOSE to me is about to DIE! SOMEONE I CANNOT SAVE! My spider-sense is never wrong! BUT WHO? WHO?" "NOT A TRICK! NOT AN IMAGINARY TALE-- BUT THE MOST STARTLINGLY UNEXPECTED TURNING POINT IN THIS WEB-SLINGERS ENTIRE LIFE! HOW CAN SPIDER-MAN GO ON, AFTER BEING FACED WITH THIS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE DEATH?"
122: "Heads up wallcrawler! First I finished off Gwen Stacey, and now it's YOUR TURN!" "Wrong goblin! you murdered the only girl ill ever LOVE -- and now it's your turn!" "THE GOBLINS LAST STAND!"

Looks about the same to me.
And yes, everything that was hyped up in #121 and #122 turned out to be true. It was a turning point.
All that One More day is telling you is that someone will die. And that will probably hold true as well.
Also, The death of gwen was in a 2 issue arc.
Most arcs these days are what, 6 issues? OMD is 4 issues.

Today all comics are advertised months in advance. Just like Movies are.
Remember there was a time that movies posters did not give you any info, and there were no such thing as a "trailer"

 

[mre]

I think farmernudie answered it very well, but i'll put in my 2 cents as well.
IMO, while I think Gwen's death was shocking, I don't think it was done for the pure shock value of it all. In fact, at that point, it was really unheard of. Since when doesn't the hero save the girl... especially his girl!!! That didn't happen at least not with a character the magnitude of Spider-Man. It changed the industry and is one of the reasons why a lot of people feel it ends the Silver age of comics. But what made it great IMHO was that it wasn't trying to change the industry, it was just so well done that it did.
And the main reason they did it was because they had no place else to go with Gwen without hurting Spider-Man, there was even some speculation that killing her off could actually hurt sales and the character of Spider-Man as a whole. The writers did it anyway because they felt it would create better stories in the long run and reinforce the personal anguish that makes Spider-Man... Spider-Man.
To me what makes killing Gwen different was that it created shock and change and took risks for the good of the character... it wasn't done to directly increase sales at that moment or with the thoughts of wow, this is going to be a collectors item and we'll hype it so everyone wants to buy it. IMHO, she was simply killed to make Spider-Man better, so the character could grow and improve, if that makes any sense. I really hope I'm explaining myself well.
Anyway, there's a great Wikipedia article on it and you can Google "The Night Gwen Stacy Died: The End of Innocence and the Birth of the Bronze Age" for another interesting read. PLus there's tons of other stuff out there as I'm sure a lot of you are aware.

Joey Q is taking a huge risk killing off a character. Something that he thinks will be for the better of the character. Just like what you described about Gwen's death.

 

[farmernudie]

Gwen's death was not advertised months in advance, because comics were not advertised months in advance back in 1973. Mostly because of the internet. Let's face it, if you did not use the internet to see what comics were coming out, then they would not seem hyped to you. The internet is the number one source.
Was her death not over-hyped with the words you described? Hmm... Let's take a look.

Cover of Amazing Spider-man #544 and #545
544: "What would you do if you had ONE MORE DAY?"
545: "...AND WHILE YOU TRY TO FIGURE ALL OF THAT OUT DEAR MARVELITE, REMEMBER THAT... A LIFE HANGS IN THE BALANCE!"

Cover of Amazing Spider-man 121 and 122
121: "Someone CLOSE to me is about to DIE! SOMEONE I CANNOT SAVE! My spider-sense is never wrong! BUT WHO? WHO?" "NOT A TRICK! NOT AN IMAGINARY TALE-- BUT THE MOST STARTLINGLY UNEXPECTED TURNING POINT IN THIS WEB-SLINGERS ENTIRE LIFE! HOW CAN SPIDER-MAN GO ON, AFTER BEING FACED WITH THIS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE DEATH?"
122: "Heads up wallcrawler! First I finished off Gwen Stacey, and now it's YOUR TURN!" "Wrong goblin! you murdered the only girl ill ever LOVE -- and now it's your turn!" "THE GOBLINS LAST STAND!"

Looks about the same to me.
And yes, everything that was hyped up in #121 and #122 turned out to be true. It was a turning point.
All that One More day is telling you is that someone will die. And that will probably hold true as well.
Also, The death of gwen was in a 2 issue arc.
Most arcs these days are what, 6 issues? OMD is 4 issues.

Today all comics are advertised months in advance. Just like Movies are.
Remember there was a time that movies posters did not give you any info, and there were no such thing as a "trailer"

Hmn, may look the same to you, but it sure doesn't FEEL the same or look the same to me. You have left out the other hype....such as the "DIRT NAP" comments, quotes...and the other stuff surrounding OMD, which has been advertised in magazines & other media...besides internet. Media in different forms DID exist back then, tho i CAN agree that the internet HAS opened things up more.

Comics DID advertise back then tho....thru ads...thru stan's soapbox...thru letter collums, checklists..etc...they talked about the world of "marvel" to the full extent they could at the time...as they do now i suppose, but not the same.

Also, IMO, comics back then didn't really DO "arcs"! They were pure 12 issues and an annual kinda thing. Sure, some storys generally overlapped back then, (bigger supporting casts!) with ongoing background stories, but they were nothing like the modern day "Arc".

The "ARC" is a very modern day trend, routine-thing. It often involves a length that can easily be put into a TPB and sold, and sometimes a different creative team is advertised in varying arcs.

Killing off MJ is not comparable to killing off Gwen at all.

Same way, if they had originally killed MJ, and if now they wanted to kill off Gwen...very cliche. These TALENTED MARVEL WRITERS CAN"T COME UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE BUT TO "KILL THE GIRL"? If this is so...time to hire writers that can write REAL WORLD stuff. Sheesh.

How COULD JQ think it is for the better? IS HE TRYING TO BE UN-ORIGINAL??? Is he all out of ideas, resorting to killing off anyone that gets close to Pete?? Leading to no reason for Pete to EVER date, it'd be pointless. And Ignoring 20 years of marriage and canon? Ignoring fans? Those all for the best?

JQ might as well just bring Gobby back (well, he already did)...and have GG kill MJ on a bridge already. Oy.

If they didn't spend as much time trying to find ways to kill MJ, or keep the marriage apart, etc...and spent that energy on writing realistic relationships & the exciting dynamics it could add to a superhero comic, we'd be ahead of the curve, and not about to cancel spidey comics to re-title them all Amazing so some fans will buy them more.