Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[Venom07]

Joey Q is taking a huge risk killing off a character. Something that he thinks will be for the better of the character. Just like what you described about Gwen's death.

I understand what you're saying BUT I just don't think that's why he's doing it. I think he's killing someone off and announcing it for pure shock value and to increase sales and to try and make his mark. Nothing comes cross as original or to advance the character IMO but to take Spidey back to what he feels is the status Quo and his version of the status quo. It just comes across that all the stuff he's tried just feels very "forced" to me. At least that's how I feel about everything.

 

[Dangerous]

Also, IMO, comics back then didn't really DO "arcs"! They were pure 12 issues and an annual kinda thing. Sure, some storys generally overlapped back then, (bigger supporting casts!) with ongoing background stories, but they were nothing like the modern day "Arc".

The "ARC" is a very modern day trend, routine-thing. It often involves a length that can easily be put into a TPB and sold, and sometimes a different creative team is advertised in varying arcs.

It did seem less contrived back then, the storylines in the first 100 issues of ASM all flowed into each other like someone's life. Like you say the supporting cast was used more and also more realistically too. These things made PP’s world seem a whole lot more real than it does today.

Spider-Man comics are all about the event arcs these days which typically are dumb and nonsensical.
ASM needs to become grounded again, back in the day- first 300 issues for e.g. everything made sense.
Continuity wise and PP character was faithful to who he was. Later in the 300’s he would start to make dubious decisions that seemed a bit out of character.

By the time we get to Sins Past we have hit the wall. All the things that made Spidey comics great are gone. Continuity is ignored, supporting cast are written out of character or just not used, and the whole thing was conceived just to cause a stir among readers. Not to be a great storyline like #121-122.
Ever since SP ASM has been stuck in that rut- then there was The Other, then the unmasking, what’s next- possible dissolve of the marriage and/or a key female character being killed off?

TBH- I don’t see either of those things happening, I actually think JQ is going to surprise us all and do the right thing for once. I think the marriage will be re-affirmed, something like that.

I’m not happy about the sister titles being canned but what can you do?, whether they can get three different creative teams to be cohesive enough on the new ASM to make it flow remains to be seen, but I think the bigger problem is JQ. As long as he is EIC the Spidey titles will continue to follow his agenda.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Maybe if Joey Q gave us something not to complain about we wouldn't complain, so far.....Sins Past, complain, Sins Remember, complain, The Other, complain, Unmasking, complain and One more PIECE OF CRAP, odds are. complain.

Quoted for freaking truth.

 

[farmernudie]

Dangerous: It did seem less contrived back then, the storylines in the first 100 issues of ASM all flowed into each other like someone's life. Like you say the supporting cast was used more and also more realistically too. These things made PP’s world seem a whole lot more real than it does today.

Spider-Man comics are all about the event arcs these days which typically are dumb and nonsensical.
ASM needs to become grounded again, back in the day- first 300 issues for e.g. everything made sense.
Continuity wise and PP character was faithful to who he was. Later in the 300’s he would start to make dubious decisions that seemed a bit out of character.

By the time we get to Sins Past we have hit the wall. All the things that made Spidey comics great are gone. Continuity is ignored, supporting cast are written out of character or just not used, and the whole thing was conceived just to cause a stir among readers. Not to be a great storyline like #121-122.
Ever since SP ASM has been stuck in that rut- then there was The Other, then the unmasking, what’s next- possible dissolve of the marriage and/or a key female character being killed off?

TBH- I don’t see either of those things happening, I actually think JQ is going to surprise us all and do the right thing for once. I think the marriage will be re-affirmed, something like that.

I’m not happy about the sister titles being canned but what can you do?, whether they can get three different creative teams to be cohesive enough on the new ASM to make it flow remains to be seen, but I think the bigger problem is JQ. As long as he is EIC the Spidey titles will continue to follow his agenda.

Yeh...i honestly don't see them "killing" MJ either. I hope they DO re-affirm the marriage. That'd be great. Flat out killing her destorys another strong supporting character (that we're low on these days) and gives fans the EASIEST reason not to read it anymore.

IF they do anything to her, it will more likely be along the lines of making her forget, somehow, that she is married to Pete. Another reason not to read also..."wife doesn't know she is married routine"

I'd like to see spider-man comics go back to issues that just FLOWED together, like the old days. No more "arcs", per say. However, It seems in one way or another, canceling everything and calling everything Amazing 3X is only going to INCREASE arcs...whether they be monthly arcs or various week arcs....

 

[Eye Doc]

I'm posting it b/c it's related to the current topic. If you want to read the entire piece feel free to click on the provided link. I'm only posting the next to last paragraph of the article. I think it's fairly obvious where this is all headed. JQ plans to return Peter to a much more simpler time and status quo. Someone may indeed die during "OMD", but by the time the story ends I think nearly ALL of Peter's classic supporting cast members will be around in some fashion.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10882


Quesada also said one part of “Brand New Day” will be the building of a new supporting cast around Peter, comprised of some familiar characters as well as some new faces, the goal being creating fun, compelling, and relevant characters for today's readership. In the midst of all this, Quesada made reference to Gwen possibly appearing post-“One More Day.” It first appeared as if this was just a tease, but McCann and Quesada paused and had a brief sidebar, leading the audience to wonder whether it was in fact an inadvertent slip of the tongue.

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In a Wizard interview last year, JQ and JMS bemoaned the fact that they couldn't use Gwen or Harry anymore and they felt the character had strayed too far from his original incarnation. JQ said that once OMD was over the character would bare a much closer resemblence to the classic Lee/Ditko/Romita Sr. Spidey of yesteryear.

By having Peter forget he was ever married, he's probably going to forget a bunch of other things too. I feel like Peter is going back to an earlier time period. I liken this to going back in time and having two paths to choose (the classic example is the fork in the road dillemma--- a la The Road Not Taken ) Instead of retracing his steps (reliving our current continuiy), OMD is going to set him on another path.

I could be wrong, but I honestly believe everything that happened from just before Gwen's death and upward is going to be wiped away because Peter's life is about to travel on a totally different path. I can't help but think the "new continuity" will start over from 1973 (assuming Gwen does come back) or early 80's (if she doesn't).

 

[Dangerous]

If any mind wiping BS happens on the part of Peter I will flat out drop the book.

 

[farmernudie]

I've thought about the possiblity of them time traveling Pete, so all his current continuity would be "forgotten", and not just the marriage.

While this possiblity "could" be kinda interesting to have in an "alternate" Spidey title, starting out right before the death of Gwen....with things happening differently....if they want to tell that story, it should be a seperate line. There are lots of "intersting" stories that "can" be told about lots of things, but do NOT belong in the regular continuity.

They can bring in supporting cast without making Spidey LITERALLY the spidey of BEFORE....and supporting cast of BEFORE.

But JQ says he would like Spidey to feel more "timeless" again, like Charlie Brown, with the same "supporting cast always around" like the characters in "Peanuts". HE also said, fans of the old status quo, would like the new storyline direction. So maybe the "STATUS QUO" he meant is WAY BACK THEN WITH GWEN AND MJ AND HARRY????



The thing is, we can already go back and read about THAT time in Spidey's life.

Don't get me wrong...I LOVED THOSE COMICS AND THAT TIME IN SPIDEY LORE. But, i don't want to read it AGAIN, unless i am pulling out THOSE back issues.

Why won't Marvel just start a NEW TITLE...like EXILES or something...if Marvel wants to go the route of starting over or Alternate Timeline Spidey. There they can have no progression, Pete can be single & never date in THAT comic, (and NEVER marry) for all the people who are anti-marriage...

Why ruin the main Spidey universe that way?

I sure hope OMD doesnt' time hop back to the olden days. That's like Marvel admitting they have no more stories left to tell, so they're throwing their hands up in the air, giving up, and going back to tell the olden days with their new take on it. Creative!!

But...i DON"T think they'll do that.

Now that i think about it.

They'd not be able to work Spidey in to the rest of the marvel world, unless all of marvel got time swapped.

 

[Eye Doc]

I've thought about the possiblity of them time traveling Pete, so all his current continuity would be "forgotten", and not just the marriage.

While this possiblity "could" be kinda interesting to have in an "alternate" Spidey title, starting out right before the death of Gwen....with things happening differently....if they want to tell that story, it should be a seperate line. There are lots of "intersting" stories that "can" be told about lots of things, but do NOT belong in the regular continuity.

Spider-Man has become so bad lately in terms of continuity, characterization, and storytelling that I'd actually prefer a series like this instead of the mainstream title. Just the other day a friend and I had this discussion about the Marvel Universe in general, not just Spider-Man. We could pretty much agree where each Marvel series jumped the shark. Unfortunately, some books peaked years after other books went down the tube, so we couldn't find a good cutoff point.

They can bring in supporting cast without making Spidey LITERALLY the spidey of BEFORE....and supporting cast of BEFORE.

But JQ says he would like Spidey to feel more "timeless" again, like Charlie Brown, with the same "supporting cast always around" like the characters in "Peanuts". HE also said, fans of the old status quo, would like the new storyline direction. So maybe the "STATUS QUO" he meant is WAY BACK THEN WITH GWEN AND MJ AND HARRY????



The thing is, we can already go back and read about THAT time in Spidey's life.

Don't get me wrong...I LOVED THOSE COMICS AND THAT TIME IN SPIDEY LORE. But, i don't want to read it AGAIN, unless i am pulling out THOSE back issues.

I understand your point. But, Quesada doesn't want kids to have to go back and dig up the books you (and I ) loved. He wants the kids/new readers of today to experience Spidey the same we lots of us did in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. I'm not saying I agree, but I can see his point too. Unfortunately, Quesada has delusions that maing Peter single again is going to bring in a fux of new readers. It won't b/c young people are into other things these days and the poulation as a whole is reading less.

Why won't Marvel just start a NEW TITLE...like EXILES or something...if Marvel wants to go the route of starting over or Alternate Timeline Spidey. There they can have no progression, Pete can be single & never date in THAT comic, (and NEVER marry) for all the people who are anti-marriage...

Why ruin the main Spidey universe that way?

I hate to break it to you, but the main spidey verse is already broken. This is why JQ is trying to reset things. Unfortunately for us, a lot of his editorial decisions resulted in making the current state of things so bad.

I sure hope OMD doesnt' time hop back to the olden days. That's like Marvel admitting they have no more stories left to tell, so they're throwing their hands up in the air, giving up, and going back to tell the olden days with their new take on it. Creative!!

But...i DON"T think they'll do that.

Now that i think about it.

They'd not be able to work Spidey in to the rest of the marvel world, unless all of marvel got time swapped.

A lot of people in my comic shop think somewhere down the road Marvel will likely do a massive continuity overhaul....a la Crisis on Infinite Earths. However, I don't think they'd do it until Stan Lee has passed on.

 

[shinlyle]

The thing that trips me out the most is that, alot of the deaths over the years, and all of the events in Peter/Spidey's life have led him to where he is today. Gwen's death was a shock, Harry's becoming the Green Goblin and dying, that was a removal of a member of Spidey's supporting cast that resulted in a fitting send-off to a character who had been left dormant for awhile before that. He married Mary Jane, and finally settled down. We had 20+ years of a single Spidey.

To go back and undo it all, and restore a status quo from 20+ years ago is really stupid, simply because Joe Q has spent the past 5 years "shaking up the status quo". Now, he's basically undoing everything he did, as well as anything anyone else (post Stan Lee) did....and these are things that are OBVIOUSLY going to change the next time someone wants to make a change.

I just don't understand the purpose behind wanting a character's supporting cast to ALWAYS stay the same. It's like putting a ceiling on what can happen to the characters....because we know they won't die or be harmed in any sort of permanent way....just like no one will get married or pregnant or anything.

Wow...exciting times

Think about how much Peter's supporting cast changed int he first 150 issues of ASM. We had people come and go and come back and leave again...and we met new people. People got married and died, and it was more reflective of an everyday life...which is how Peter's life should be.


Either way, if we get some horrible mindwipe crapola, I'm dropping all the Spidey books. It would seriously be the worst cop-out ever.

 

[wolvie2020]

It did seem less contrived back then, the storylines in the first 100 issues of ASM all flowed into each other like someone's life. Like you say the supporting cast was used more and also more realistically too. These things made PP’s world seem a whole lot more real than it does today.

Spider-Man comics are all about the event arcs these days which typically are dumb and nonsensical.
ASM needs to become grounded again, back in the day- first 300 issues for e.g. everything made sense.
Continuity wise and PP character was faithful to who he was. Later in the 300’s he would start to make dubious decisions that seemed a bit out of character.

By the time we get to Sins Past we have hit the wall. All the things that made Spidey comics great are gone. Continuity is ignored, supporting cast are written out of character or just not used, and the whole thing was conceived just to cause a stir among readers. Not to be a great storyline like #121-122.
Ever since SP ASM has been stuck in that rut- then there was The Other, then the unmasking, what’s next- possible dissolve of the marriage and/or a key female character being killed off?

TBH- I don’t see either of those things happening, I actually think JQ is going to surprise us all and do the right thing for once. I think the marriage will be re-affirmed, something like that.

I’m not happy about the sister titles being canned but what can you do?, whether they can get three different creative teams to be cohesive enough on the new ASM to make it flow remains to be seen, but I think the bigger problem is JQ. As long as he is EIC the Spidey titles will continue to follow his agenda.

I find it quite remarkable that he can achieve so many great things for Marvel, and the comic industry as a whole, yet piss all over his flagship character.

I mean, I really like the current Spidey stories, but he needs to do something as drastic as unmasking him to get good Spidey stories out underneath hi editorial

 

[farmernudie]

From the article.

Brevoort added his view on the situation by saying, “For the past twenty years, we've been doing the best Spider-Man stories we can do, but it's like doing them with a club foot.” Concurring, Quesada said “It's something I lose sleep over, because it's one of those things where you wish you could put the genie back in the bottle.”

Well, obviously, with a bunch of wahoo's running around Marvel feeling bad about having to write a relationship, summarizing that: they're doing the best they can but it is like having a handicapped leg.

I am sure there are lots of handicapped people that wouldn't QUITE equate "marriage" or relationships to having a life-altering handicap.

And, the marriage causes JQ to lose sleep. No wonder JQ isn't functioning properly in the decision making department. Drink some warm milk already and move on!

To the central point of why the marriage is a problem, Quesada explained his view that it took away a very large part of the soap opera ELEMENT OF SPIDER-MAN, by no longer allowing Peter Parker to ENGAGE in LOVE TRIANGLES without seeming like a cad.

I don't know how to even comment on this without laughing and slapping my head...

A LARGE PART OF THE THE SPIDER-MAN "ELEMENT" IS NOT "LOVE TRIANGLES".

MJ IS A LARGE "ELEMENT" OF SPIDEY NOW.

If marvel mindwipes MJ so she doesn't kow she is married and then goes the route of cheating on her knowingly/unknowingly thru "LOVE TRIANGLES"....!! Won't he seem like A CAD THEN!???

Tom Brevoort then gave the audience a brief history of the Peter/MJ marriage, explaining that Stan Lee came up with the idea originally to boost flagging circulation on the Spider-Man newspaper strip, & that Marvel Comics then felt PRESSURED to have the comics match up with all the publicity this event would get, culminating in the Shea Stadium wedding of Spider-Man and Mary Jane, officiated by Stan Lee himself. Brevoort explained that this episode was a case of the tail wagging the dog, and things likely would have turned out very differently if MARVEL had been left to develop the Peter/MJ relationship on their OWN.

Yeh, pretty much point fingers at Stan, glad you guys pointed out that "HES THE ONE THAT CAME UP WITH THE IDEA". If you didn't have that bad influence Stan, things would be different with Spidey!...nice...Stan should be celebrated, not "blamed". Pete and MJ are iconic!! This is a good thing! ..HELLO!?
I must point out, I am not a strongly "anti-JQ" guy....like some...but the more i read from him (And his cronies)...the more they/he "come off" pompous and arrogant.

...Asked if “One More Day” was the solution to this (MJ marriage)problem, Quesada SMILED...

In a response to a question about structure, Quesada assured the audience that “One More Day” would indeed be self-contained, and Brevoort used that subject to segue into perhaps the BIGGEST announcement of the panel: “Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man” and “Sensational Spider-Man” will be ending...

To be titled: "AMAZINGLY ALL DONE MY WAY, NOT STANS."

Buy it, 3X a month, or else, you've got no other choice for Spidey!

Quesada explained they felt it was better to have one title and one continuous story coming out 3 times a month, rather than be faced with a situation where readers felt like they didn't need to pick up books such as “Sensational” and “Friendly” as long as they were getting “Amazing”.

So, JQ's now creating "NEED" in us, the fan, SINCE as he kindly pointed out, we didn't "feel like" needing ALL the spidey comics before.

It's smart BUSINESS, i'll give him credit for THAT, many "fans" on boards have made it clear they're pumped to buy lots of Amazing-based on no knowledge of any creative teams, content, etc...based solely on the "Adjective" (Amazing) alone.

At least now we'll "Feel the need"....lol...thanks Joe!

Quesada also said one part of “Brand New Day” will be the building of a new supporting cast around Peter, comprised of some familiar characters as well as some new faces, the goal being creating fun, compelling, and relevant characters for today's readership. In the midst of all this, Quesada made reference to Gwen possibly appearing post-“One More Day.” It first appeared as if this was just a tease, but McCann and Quesada paused and had a brief sidebar, leading the audience to wonder whether it was in fact an inadvertent slip of the tongue.

I like(d) Gwen a lot but.....won't go there....

 

[Dangerous]

Like I said Il take it as it comes, I ain't worrying about a storyline before it's out.
Those days ended after The Other. It's hard to care about the book too much if it's being written by monkeys.

 

[Kevin]

Okay, someone wrote a theory on another board about where they think "One More Day" will go. Basically, Peter goes back in time to prevent this [May getting shot], but way back. In doing so, he has to give up the marriage, because you can't have your cake and eat it too. So the "one more day" would be him and MJ being together, because if he wants to save may, he has to give up the life he's had.

Now, if that were to happen, I wouldn't be able to stomach it. I, like a lot of people, have said they'd drop a title for this and that, but I, like most people, still read the book. Now, that's over 20 years of stories, good or bad, that they'd be getting rid of, and I wouldn' be able to do it. It happened, work around it, fix it, DON'T erase it. It's not even about MJ anymore, because so much has happened, and if the ONLY thing going back in time would change is him being married to MJ, that'd be bull. All in all, I can not read one more day because I am afraid. I can't stomach something like that, and I hate time traveling stories (as well as space strories.) That free comic book day comic looks like a possible future now, huh? As MJ would still be alive, and still know peter was spider-man. God, my stomach actually hurts thinking about One more day.

 

[farmernudie]

Yeh...i am kinda nervous about reading OMD too...i am hoping it'll be good, but I'm afraid of the numerous ways they can totally TRASH the character and his history.

Nor Am I impressed the way they talk about STAN in the thread link above.

They treat the "marriage" like it's a disease, and it is his fault.

Marriage is a GOOD thing. It's a part of life.

People go thru high school,... college,...get a job...get married...and so on.

So has Pete.

We don't need to make him to be a "hip swinger" in "love traingles" again please. No matter what JQ says, that is NOT central to the character.

 

[Eye Doc]

From the article.

Brevoort added his view on the situation by saying, “For the past twenty years, we've been doing the best Spider-Man stories we can do, but it's like doing them with a club foot.” Concurring, Quesada said “It's something I lose sleep over, because it's one of those things where you wish you could put the genie back in the bottle.”


Well, obviously, with a bunch of wahoo's running around Marvel feeling bad about having to write a relationship, summarizing that: they're doing the best they can but it is like having a handicapped leg.

I am sure there are lots of handicapped people that wouldn't QUITE equate "marriage" or relationships to having a life-altering handicap.

And, the marriage causes JQ to lose sleep. No wonder JQ isn't functioning properly in the decision making department. Drink some warm milk already and move on!

The quote from Brevoort is what really made me caught my attention. I laughed when he said For the past twenty years, we''ve been doing the best Spider-Man stories we can do...

If he really feels that way than Marvel has been pretty pathetic handling their flagship character for the past TWO DECADES!

1)The Spidey office all but dropped the supporting cast when Pete and MJ got married. To make matters even worse, no significant additions were made. They've decide to "fix" this now that the character is no longer married. Ironic isn't it?

2) They never made an attempt to try to make MJ more relatable as a character. She was never interacted with anyone in the series outside of Peter and May. And, most of the tiem when we saw her she was simply used as eye candy or nagging Peter about how difficult their life could be at times.

3)All of their big event stories (Robot Parents, Clone Saga, Gathering of the Five and the Mackie/Byrne stories from the reboot, the Spider-Totem, Sins Past, and tThe Other would've sucked if the character of MJ had NEVER EXISTED. They were just bad stories period.

4)From AMZ 300 to the 429 or so the Spidey line of books were virtually monopolized by 4 men : Dave Michilinie, Howard Mackie, Tom DeFalco, and JM Dematteis. The first one left right before the Clone Saga. The latter 3 wrote the books in the immediate period leading into that ill planned arc. Once sales fell and Marvel realized the Peter needed top come back the books received a "soft reboot". Guess who wrote the series in the years following the Clone Saga? Mackie, DeFalco, and Dematteis! Even when the line was paired to two monthly books Marvel refused to bring in another writer for Spidey. Howard Mackie continued on as head writer! Spider-Man didn't really receive a creative upswing until Paul Jenkins and JMS were hired at the start of the decade.

If Marvel wants single Peter, it's certainly their right because they own the character. But please, don't insult us by saying you tried to produce the best stories you could for the past two decades.

 

[farmernudie]

Sheesh...they did their best man, leave 'em alone.....how do you expect them to do good stories the past 20 years when they had that "clubbed foot handicap" of a marriage?? They can't make it any clearer.

I mean really! Those stories woulda rocked the house if Spidey had been single for them all. The marriage FORCED them to write the stories they did.

 

[Captivated]

I recently finished Vol 8 of the ASM Essential... Nice. There was a great supporting cast. Among other things, Peter was dating and proposed to MJ for the first time.

After I was about a third of the way through, I found myself skimming ahead... looking for Peter/MJ interaction. I couldn't help myself... Frankly, even though the WHOLE package is important, that relationship is the "spice" that MAKES the stories habit-forming for me.

Ok... this is a strange analogy... but at this point, reading Peter without MJ would be like eating a potato without butter or salt... blech.

I wouldn't do it. Wouldn't waste the calories... or my money...

In fact, like I said, I'm not buying OMD. If it's good I'll get the book. If it sucks, I saved some cash.

 

[mre]

I understand what you're saying BUT I just don't think that's why he's doing it. I think he's killing someone off and announcing it for pure shock value and to increase sales and to try and make his mark. Nothing comes cross as original or to advance the character IMO but to take Spidey back to what he feels is the status Quo and his version of the status quo. It just comes across that all the stuff he's tried just feels very "forced" to me. At least that's how I feel about everything.

But wether you agree or not, there has been more than one person at Marvel who has felt that the marriage was, maybe no a problem, but perhaps an obstacle. Maybe the better word would be annoyance.
They have tried to put strain on their relationship, they have tried to kill her, they got her to move away, they also tried to have them live happily. But no one seems to be happy with these resolutions.
We don't know for a fact that MJ will die. All we know is that people at marvel, even "some" fans are not happy with the marriage, or think that it could be better if Pete was single.
How does this seem forced at all? To me, all the other Marvel events seem forced, and this is something that maybe the fans don't agree with, but Marvel wants to deal with. And they are doing it. Just because it is a blockbuster event doesn't mean it's forced.

 

[Sloth7d]

This should be the theme song for One More Day

 

[farmernudie]

MRE: They have tried to put strain on their relationship, they have tried to kill her, they got her to move away, they also tried to have them live happily. But no one seems to be happy with these resolutions.
We don't know for a fact that MJ will die. All we know is that people at marvel, even "some" fans are not happy with the marriage, or think that it could be better if Pete was single.
How does this seem forced at all? To me, all the other Marvel events seem forced, and this is something that maybe the fans don't agree with, but Marvel wants to deal with. And they are doing it. Just because it is a blockbuster event doesn't mean it's forced.

IMO, I think it "feels" forced because of the way JQ speaks about marriage like he is obsessed to accomplish it's undoing no matter what. No matter how many more fans he will lose. Do people actually READ his over the top quotes constantly about it??

There wasn't years of drama, soapboxes and etc about Gwen. They didn't talk endlessly about wanting to kill her or attempt it in various ways. Gwen and how it was handled was VERY different in MANY ways compared to now. It was not in an "Arc", it was not obsessed on, nor attempted many times. Delayed Progression was ok back then too. Pete went to high school, college, dated, got jobs, and so on.

JQ tho, admittedly can't sleep at night over it. He blames Stan. He is obsessed to DO this.

He admittedly spends ALL HIS TIME thinking of ways to undo it, thru divorce, killing her, and the outcomes of each way if he takes it....it will age Pete, it will hurt the cast, blah blah...on and on he goes on his little marry-go-round of obsession. He WILL find a way tho...that is his GOAL.

They should take the time they invest into thinking of ways to RID US OF MJ and PUT that TIME into MAKING THE MARRIAGE EVEN BETTER THAN IT IS..!

Don't blame 20 years of stories on marriage, and throw your hands up in the air & say you "did your best" with a "handicap". Why BLAME "relationships" (or Stan)...that is so absurd. Does Marvel only hire writers who are trapped in a little mental box that can't comprehend writing anything about a marriage and consider it a handicap right out of the gate??? ... SHEESH! The marriage has been a good thing that anchored the stories, even during bad "Arcs". I'd FIRE anyone if I worked at marvel, for saying such a DUMB thing. They're bascially admitting they are DUMB and have no imagination at all. They can write "Fantasy" but not something basic & real like a marriage & infuse it into their stories??

So, when they take MJ and make her or Pete time travel or FORGET their vows somehow....and fans DROP LIKE FLYS from Spidey sadly (but warrented)....WHAT WILL THEY BLAME THEN? They won't be able to blame the marriage anymore.

Will they blame little kids for not wanting to read about "new single spidey"? or...blame Stan some more?

Again, i hope they solidify the marriage & not flush spidey & MJ, and their continuity filled history down the toilet. Let's move FORWARD. Not back.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Well....if Marvel wants to copy DC so badly, like you say...... they're doing a really BAD job.

What Marvel is doing will be 3X title, not weekly.

Secondly, Marvel is CANCELING mulitple ongoing titles. (to do this)

DC did an actual weekly and didn't have to cancel any of their titles to do it.

They didn't cancel all the Batman titles and make DETECTIVE 3X a month....so i don't know if comparing what marvel is doing now to an event like 52 or Countdown is in anyway the same.

That being said, Marvel is doing it to try something BOLD in their opinion, to push their product and indeed has nothing to do with any of us fans...positively or negatively.

I am looking forward to seeing what the actual content of the story is and if they're still stickin' to their urge to seperate Pete and MJ no matter the cost, to their long-time fans and readership.

All right.

A book that comes out three times a month MIGHT AS WELL BE a weekly comic book. There are usually four weeks in a month and with three of those weeks being filled with an issue of Amazing Spider-Man I'd say that's pretty freakin' good. Wouldn't you? Or am I just not catching the logic.

No, they didn't cancel the Batman titles and release Detective Comics three times a month. DC did their own thing and had their weekly comic tie into their One Year Later event spawning out of Infinite Crisis. A little bit of a different situation than Marvel.

I'm not here to say that Marvel is going to EXACTLY copy DC. Fact of the matter is that Amazing Spider-Man will be BASICALLY a weekly comic book and it will be edited by the guy who set up the weekly comic book for DC in the first place.

I mean, am I the only one who saw that connection. Was I the only one that said to himself when Wacker switched sides that, "Wow, Marvel is really wanting to do a weekly comic themselves".

Fact of the matter is, famernudie, that DC doesn't have Spider-Man. Dan DiDio said he'd kill to have Spider-Man over at DC. Marvel doesn't need to do a separate weekly comic when they have their ultimate powerhouse, Spider-Man, to do that deed.

And why keep releasing two separate Spider-Man titles, that most Spider-Man fans buy anyway? Why not just release Amazing every week? Sounds to me that the fans are benefiting from this most of all. Yet all that I've seen from most of the posters around here is what a horrible idea it is and that, already, it's not going to work. I love cynicism anymore. And a lot of you are coming off as ungrateful and petty.

Farmernudie, you're a good poster. But for the past maybe month to two months you're posts have just been filled with hateful banter. Sounds like you need a nice vacation away from everything.

 

[Kraven]

I hope they don't kill off/remove MJ and the marriage from the books. If they do, I'm going to drop all things Spider-Man, except for the classic reprints that come out.

 

[farmernudie]

SIAT: Farmernudie, you're a good poster. But for the past maybe month to two months you're posts have just been filled with hateful banter. Sounds like you need a nice vacation away from everything.

......"HATEFUL BANTER"......


LOL

I would like for you to point out instances of "HATE" anywhere in my posts.

I am always quite fair, actually, imo...i am not one of those people who come on and just say they don't read the comics and that they just outright hate JQ. I always give him credit where due in fact. I try to be objective and fair. Regardless, what i post, it is just MY OPINION, just like YOURS is YOURS.

I've only pointed out MY OPINIONS....based on FACTS related to my FAVORITE comic book hero and the direction they keep taking him in.

I LOVE SPIDER-MAN.

I WANT SPIDER-MAN TO CONTINUE TO BRING KIDS, ADULTS, ANYONE THE SAME JOY I HAD GROWING UP READNG IT MY ENTIRE LIFE.

You post is insulting, to me, and my opinion, and personal. How swell.

Sure, I am not happy with some of the direction they are taking spidey, the bizarre things JQ hints at, and what not....that is my personal frustration with a character i LOVE so much. Mnay of us fans are frustrated. I have a right to my opinion, i have ALWAYS bought the comics and the TPB's. I have a right to my opinion as does ANYONE on here!!

Hateful banter?

That's hilarious that you're taking the time to LABEL another person's objective opinions that, i am assuming, are different to yours. So, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop throwing around names and silly labels please........SHEESH!!

Labeling someone's opinion...WHAT IS THAT????

Maybe you were thinking "Hulking Banner" after reading a hulk comic and mis-spoke.

 

[farmernudie]

PS...SIAT...the post you COPIED....was in reply to someone saying that marvel was doing the EXACT same thing as DC, because they too wanted a "Weekly"....and part of my writing style...is TONGUE IN CHEEK...dry-humor...I KNOW THEY DIDN"T CANCEL ANY BATMAN TITLES (that was the POINT) and that it wasn't the "same"...that part was called a tongue in cheek ANALOGY.

My point was, Marvel SHOULD have a "weekly" if they want.

Canceling your other books isn't what DC did, or the way to go, was the issue/point.

Do you actually ever even READ my posts??

Most of the posts on this thread are talking about what JQ and MARVEL staff said, (which has been alot lately leading up to OMD) so there is a lot for ME, for ALL OF US to talk ABOUT, if we want...they're MY take on things...jsut like they share THEIR take on things..

If you've not noticed, we'ere at a crucial time in comics, and in spidey comics, so i think it is good for all of us to get our opinions out there. rock the vote man! LOL

isn't that what this PLACE here is for..for us to share OUR TAKES on these events???

 

[SpideyInATree]

......"HATEFUL BANTER"......


LOL

I would like for you to point out instances of "HATE" anywhere in my posts.

I am always quite fair, actually, imo...i am not one of those people who come on and just say they don't read the comics and that they just outright hate JQ. I always give him credit where due in fact. I try to be objective and fair. Regardless, what i post, it is just MY OPINION, just like YOURS is YOURS.

I've only pointed out MY OPINIONS....based on FACTS related to my FAVORITE comic book hero and the direction they keep taking him in.

I LOVE SPIDER-MAN.

I WANT SPIDER-MAN TO CONTINUE TO BRING KIDS, ADULTS, ANYONE THE SAME JOY I HAD GROWING UP READNG IT MY ENTIRE LIFE.

You post is insulting, to me, and my opinion, and personal. How swell.

Sure, I am not happy with some of the direction they are taking spidey, the bizarre things JQ hints at, and what not....that is my personal frustration with a character i LOVE so much. Mnay of us fans are frustrated. I have a right to my opinion, i have ALWAYS bought the comics and the TPB's. I have a right to my opinion as does ANYONE on here!!

Hateful banter?

That's hilarious that you're taking the time to LABEL another person's objective opinions that, i am assuming, are different to yours. So, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop throwing around names and silly labels please........SHEESH!!

Labeling someone's opinion...WHAT IS THAT????

Maybe you were thinking "Hulking Banner" after reading a hulk comic and mis-spoke.

Why should I have to go reposting all your old stuff? You have access to all your old posts why don't you go back and reread all that yourself? I read it and it was hateful. Hateful toward people that you don't even KNOW. I don't need to sit here and post every single little LINE to prove myself, haha. God, I love message boards. t:

It has nothing to do with an opinion. It has everything to do with being hateful and disrespectful to people simply because they don't make the comic books like you're USED to having them.

You can go on about how storylines and the character sucks. THAT'S your opinion. But insulting human beings over making a COMIC BOOK, whether you love it or not, is hateful. It's sick. And, most times to me, it's hilarious.