One Scene that I know X2 screenwriters would have done better

[Kmack]

Wow....i didn't know about this.

You are falling off Sherlock!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh my god, i am nearly crying just thinking about that ending, that is so much better than what we got its unbelievable. And i have stated clearly from the start that Singers X3 would have been 20 times better, this only makes me hate what we got even more, which i didnt think was possible.

What a trilogy this could have been!!!!!

 

[The_Guyver]

Bryan Singer would've made this movie the best of the three because he was building up to it all along. I enjoy X3 because of the characters, but I know it could've been better. Still, some of the most powerful scenes in the entire series are in the 3rd film.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

You know, when I first came here, I was looking forward to Scott having a big role with Jean in this movie. I had no idea what was going on until a few weeks after I joined the Hype. It wasn't until I started understanding all the nitpicking and bashing and ... others making fun of me, that I came to realize that Cyclops was indeed going to be screwed over. At first I didn't think that was the case but -shrugs- Now...seeing how he has such a small role in this one...i mean I still like X3, but its just, man, I was looking forward to see how X3 would unfold around Jean and Scott. So with Scott dubbed down, all that hope I was feeling went towards Jean/Famke and that hope did get paid off, despite no fire, no flames, no firebird...well you know what? Im gonna just look at it this way- that there was fire in Jean's hair. It looked like it to me. So my hope did get paid off thanks to Famke and among others.

I just thought I'd get this out of my system. But understand what did happen behind the production of X3, I blame Fox for the rushed job and Scott's role.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

yadda yadda yadda... its one thing to kill the woman you love.. its another to have her kill herself while your fighting it and have her forcefully rip your classes up and use her mind to hold your eyelids open...thats a bit disturbing.. not saying it isnt good.. but its probably a bit too disturbing

and sorry but esp to the general public the majority wanted logan and jean together.. why? because we really saw alot of how much logan loved jean.. and when we saw cyclops he lacked in personality.. he was stern.. quite and like wolverine said.. sort of a "D!(k" so the general audience didnt gravitate torwards him because the movies hardly showed any character for cyke.. we needed more scenes of him opening up (like the scene with xavier unconcious) for the most part though, Scott came off like a highschool jock whos dating the girl of every guys dream, and she comes off as a possession "stay away from my girl"... too many people i think get the heart of the charcters in the comic mixed up with whats really happening in the movie

I don't agree with any of that.

First of all Scott was joking when he told Logan to stay away from his girl because just a moment earlier he'd made it clear he trusted Jean that he wouldn't have to get territorial. Logan is the one who came off as the bigger jerk because he wouldn't take no for an answer which shows he didn't respect Jean's choice. I know in the comics Logan tends to go after other guy's women (Jean, Heather Hudson) but his actions with Jean in the movies (after being repeatedly rebuffed) reek of desperation. Climbing on Jean the minute Scott's not around makes him look dishonorable. The only people who'd think that was terribly romantic must be the people who think the same thing about what Angelina Jolie did to the Aniston/Pitt relationship. I'm sorry but poaching on someone else's 'territory' is low.

So what if Scott is the uber nice guy that's dating the nice girl? OMG the horror! Give me one decent reason why Logan deserves to be with Jean more than Scott.

Logan didn't love Jean. That was never convincingly shown. He lusted after her. Yes. But loved her. No.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

^ I agree with how you feel (and I think you are right), but I agree more with what spideyboy is saying about how the mass audience accepted this character. People wanted to like the movie Wolverine(Hugh JAckman). They know what he was doing was wrong, but still, they like the super kewl, badass that has the 'take what he wants' attitude. Guys like it because it speaks to our macho side, something guys aren't politically allowed to be anymore. Woman like it because it indulges their silly inner child fantasies of the 'hunk' who trumps all, thus making them feel powerful if you have that guy.

Once you grow up, and have a relationship, and feel the burn of being dumped by said guy, or having some harlot/ hunk hit on your perspective other, these types of desires tend to change into seeing that the honorable person is more desireable.. but a lot of people nowadays don't seem to get to this 'grown' stage.

Where I don't agree with spideyboy, is his usage of the term LOVE. I wouldn't classify what we saw of Logan's 'feelings' for Jean in the movieverse as love. What we saw most of the time was lust!! Even in X3 there was the hint that Wolvie Lusted for Jean more than loved her when we hear Scott tell him, "Not everyone heals as fast as you". Was it healing that got Logan over? How about the med lab scenes, he didn't embrace her, and tell her how happy he was to see her... he started getting a '*****' when she touched herself.

Again, I agree that the common audience might have picked this up as Love, but I disagree that it was actually 'portayed' that way.

 

[Decay]

The X3 ending was really amazing. And the fact that Logan killed Jean pointed out the characters inner drama and Logan's feelings for Jean.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ I agree with how you feel (and I think you are right), but I agree more with what spideyboy is saying about how the mass audience accepted this character. People wanted to like the movie Wolverine(Hugh JAckman). They know what he was doing was wrong, but still, they like the super kewl, badass that has the 'take what he wants' attitude. Guys like it because it speaks to our macho side, something guys aren't politically allowed to be anymore. Woman like it because it indulges their silly inner child fantasies of the 'hunk' who trumps all, thus making them feel powerful if you have that guy.

Once you grow up, and have a relationship, and feel the burn of being dumped by said guy, or having some harlot/ hunk hit on your perspective other, these types of desires tend to change into seeing that the honorable person is more desireable.. but a lot of people nowadays don't seem to get to this 'grown' stage.

Where I don't agree with spideyboy, is his usage of the term LOVE. I wouldn't classify what we saw of Logan's 'feelings' for Jean in the movieverse as love. What we saw most of the time was lust!! Even in X3 there was the hint that Wolvie Lusted for Jean more than loved her when we hear Scott tell him, "Not everyone heals as fast as you". Was it healing that got Logan over? How about the med lab scenes, he didn't embrace her, and tell her how happy he was to see her... he started getting a '*****' when she touched herself.

Again, I agree that the common audience might have picked this up as Love, but I disagree that it was actually 'portayed' that way.

It wasnt love from Wolverine at all IMO, if it was, he would have grieved as much as Scott and not tried to "move on."

 

[Angry Sentinel]

The X3 ending was really amazing. And the fact that Logan killed Jean pointed out the characters inner drama and Logan's feelings for Jean.

I know this is highly debateable, but mercy killing is not the ultimate act of love, I would prefer my true 'loved' ones not be able to pull the trigger...

It wasnt love from Wolverine at all IMO, if it was, he would have grieved as much as Scott and not tried to "move on."

Again, I personally agree, but some would argue that you owe it to that person (if you truly love them) to continue living and move on. I'm guessing that it had been over several months and I don't think anyone should recover from their true love that fast. Even still, what Wolverine should have been asking Scott to do was Man up and take care of his other responsiblities. This might be what he intended with his statement, but using the term 'move on' was very craptastic and misleading.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

For the most part, we'll never know what Bryan Singer and his writing team (Michael Dougherty, David Hayter, or Dan Harriswould) have made X3. However, from listening to DVD commentary on X2, I do believe they would have written a better conclusion to the "Dark Phoenix Saga" that was both respectful of the original comic book and make it even better. Here's a quote from one of the X2 screenwriters on the DVD commentary:

“In the [comic] book, it’s such a beautiful moment where it’s just her and Cyclops. And she says ‘I got too much power; I can’t handle it; I have to go.’ She basically uses a giant gun to kill herself right in front of Cyclops. I wanted to take that one step further and have her bring Cyclops up to her. And say, “I can’t be allowed to live; I can’t allow this to go on.” She uses Cyclops’s own beams to destroy her – which I think is what made the studio nervous about doing it because it was really disturbing, upsetting, and psychologically scarring for Cyclops; but I knew it would kick ass for the X-Fans. So like I said it got cut along the way.”

The X2 screenwriters cut this scene from X2 because they felt that "Dark Phoenix Saga" was too soon in the movieverse and because of Fox's hesitation. I do think this would be a great ending for Jean destroying herself rather than have Jean ALLOW wolverine to kill her.

it's one thing what they said and is't another what would at the end be. zak penn said that cyclops wasn't going to be in the movie at all, but they fought to at least give him some time. also in x-2 they said that they wanted danger room sequence, yet there was none in the final version.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, the whole production has been misleading and the movie was craptastic so it shouldnt surprise.

 

[Decay]

Ok...so maybe killing Jean wasn't a classical love act but he did this because Jean asked him (remember when she asked logan to kill him...when she woke up at the Institute) and plus he did it to save the others.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Infirmary... not..Institute.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

It probably should be an Institute, she was a schizo

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Infirmary

 

[J.Howlett]

I've never heard that part of the commentary...mainly because I only watch the film with the Singer commentary. But, damn, that's a magnificient ending of the Phoenix story.

Why the hell didn't they use that? It's brilliant.

See, hearing these things and then watching The Last Stand....it just makes it more painful.

Absolutely brilliant ending. That would've be stunning and heartbreaking....

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

at first I thought it was corny...but thinking about how much I wanted Famke and James to explore their relationship as Jean and Scott... DAMN IT! I love them.

I want them to come back!!!

 

[J.Howlett]

Again, it's a brilliant idea by the screenwriters.

Interesting enough, I was reading an interview with them about Superman Returns online and one of the ideas they had for X3 that actually made it into the film (although executed poorly) was the idea of Magneto using Jean as a weapon in this war.

Again, it was executed poorly in the film and I'm curious as to how they would've done it.

Still, I love that ending they mentioned in the commentary.

You know, The Last Stand is the greatest "What if" movie in the history of modern cinema.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It sounds no more disturbing than a woman mercilessly tearing scores of people apart piece by piece (in what can be described as Hell on Earth) only to have a man struggle to approach her while she rips portions of his flesh off with her mind . . . moreover, to have that same man plunge three claws into her chest/heart, while watching her as she dies in front of him . . . Anything can be written to sound disturbing--it's another thing when it's actually shown.




That's great, but the scenario that people are wanting to see doesn't end with Cyclops getting the girl. Again, that's not the point. No one "gets" her.

Furthermore, the general public doesn't seem to mind that Wolverine doesn't get the girl in X2 . . . they don't seem to mind that in the end, Jean chooses Scott over Wolverine or that Scott was the one Jean would share her last words with.

Sometimes I think people get mixed up with the notion the Cyclops fans wanting Scott to get his proper dues in the Dark Phoenix must entail that X3 be "The Cyclops Saga" . . . which isn't the case. The entirety of the Dark Phoenix Saga focuses on the team's relationship with Jean while maintaining intermittent periods of emotionally heavy moments with Scott (kind of like at the end of X2, which again, doesn't seem to bother the general audience).

If the writing is good enough, the audience will enjoy it . . . it's not as though people are only wanting the movie to be about Cyclops, or that he and Jean run off together and live happily ever after while leaving the cash cow behind . . . fans simply want to see Cyclops get his due in a story that should have been able to give people more insight into his character and his place among the X-Men.

im not dissagreeing.. im just saying the GP wanted jean and logan together, not scott and jean, and it was due to the way it was aimed... you can't denied the pushed logan and jean before hand, wich is why it didnt surprise me the same happened in X3

 

[spideyboy_1111]

God i hope your joking BigMac

That ending sounds incredible and very loyal to the source.

Spideyboy defends this movie way too much im now convinced he's Tom Rothman.

BTW i saw the movie again today (again not paid for) third time isn't the charm still hated it.

hell have no furry like a gay man scorned *demolecularizes everyone in this room*

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ummm...who the **** cares what the general public wants? Most of the general public have zero taste when it comes to film anyway.

because unfortuneatly, thats what studios make these dumb ass changes for

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't agree with any of that.

First of all Scott was joking when he told Logan to stay away from his girl because just a moment earlier he'd made it clear he trusted Jean that he wouldn't have to get territorial. Logan is the one who came off as the bigger jerk because he wouldn't take no for an answer which shows he didn't respect Jean's choice. I know in the comics Logan tends to go after other guy's women (Jean, Heather Hudson) but his actions with Jean in the movies (after being repeatedly rebuffed) reek of desperation. Climbing on Jean the minute Scott's not around makes him look dishonorable. The only people who'd think that was terribly romantic must be the people who think the same thing about what Angelina Jolie did to the Aniston/Pitt relationship. I'm sorry but poaching on someone else's 'territory' is low.

So what if Scott is the uber nice guy that's dating the nice girl? OMG the horror! Give me one decent reason why Logan deserves to be with Jean more than Scott.

Logan didn't love Jean. That was never convincingly shown. He lusted after her. Yes. But loved her. No.

then your in fan denile.. becuase after i first saw X2 logan&jean stuck out like a sore thumb, wich pissed me off.. too bad my fears came true (thats honestly the only dissapointing part in X3 to me.. but hey least he could come back.. (if fox is visited by sony's men in black, and forgets everything)

i bet you could ask anyone who knew nothing of the comics or cartoon, not knowing who jean really ends up with who they would want her to end up with.. and i guarantee you, because of the way X1 and X2 were guided, they would say logan. GUARANTEE. hell, i knew many girls who never knew anything about the x-men come out of X2 saying "i wanted jean and logan to get together , but she died"

 

[spideyboy_1111]

^ I agree with how you feel (and I think you are right), but I agree more with what spideyboy is saying about how the mass audience accepted this character. People wanted to like the movie Wolverine(Hugh JAckman). They know what he was doing was wrong, but still, they like the super kewl, badass that has the 'take what he wants' attitude. Guys like it because it speaks to our macho side, something guys aren't politically allowed to be anymore. Woman like it because it indulges their silly inner child fantasies of the 'hunk' who trumps all, thus making them feel powerful if you have that guy.

Once you grow up, and have a relationship, and feel the burn of being dumped by said guy, or having some harlot/ hunk hit on your perspective other, these types of desires tend to change into seeing that the honorable person is more desireable.. but a lot of people nowadays don't seem to get to this 'grown' stage.

Where I don't agree with spideyboy, is his usage of the term LOVE. I wouldn't classify what we saw of Logan's 'feelings' for Jean in the movieverse as love. What we saw most of the time was lust!! Even in X3 there was the hint that Wolvie Lusted for Jean more than loved her when we hear Scott tell him, "Not everyone heals as fast as you". Was it healing that got Logan over? How about the med lab scenes, he didn't embrace her, and tell her how happy he was to see her... he started getting a '*****' when she touched herself.

Again, I agree that the common audience might have picked this up as Love, but I disagree that it was actually 'portayed' that way.

your absolutely right.. but then again.. can logan really love in anyway thats not animalistic? plus the dark phoenix is very sensual.. and sexual.. she feeds on desires and acts on them.. Phoenix wants Logan, Jean wants scott

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Totally disagree with Spidey about X2, the end of X2 just screams to me that Jean wanted Scott and turned down Logan. Scott was shouting and panicking when Jean was outside the jet. Jean flat out turned Logan down outside the jet. And she told both Logan and Scott himself that she loves Scott, i dont remember her ever in the movie saying she loved Logan. So please, explain, how the **** did the movie push Logan and Jean as a couple?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

how does it scream it? because wolvie said so? and because scott was screaming? lol we know scott loves jean, its just not clear as glass what jean feels, the last piece you have of jeans point of view on the subject is "you marry a good guy" wich she said smiling.. (before or after the kiss, i cant remember, same thing either way)