Sequels Organic webshooters.

[WhatsHisFace]

Nobody Wants Freaking Orgs!!!

 

[sean61675]

Organic. Mechanical never made sense, since Peter made it in high school.

Yeeeaaahhhhhhh...and the inter-atomic flux of molecules makes sense too. People, NOTHING Peter does as Spidey makes sense or is real so who gives a flip if he makes mechanical webshooters at age 16. That was Sam's weakest argument 6 years ago. How about a 16 year old kidding making a Hollywood quality costume out of Aunt May's sewing kit and scrap fabric. I wonder how he made that raised webbing on his own let alone the custom eye pieces for the mask??

 

[sean61675]

That makes no real sense, especially when you apply it to a conecpt of fantasy/fiction. There's a reason why films like HP, LOTR, Golden Compass, Narnia and other fantasy movies based on fantasy books are so popular and do so well....they embrace the source material for what it is and until comic book movies start doing the same, they'll always be generally crap.



With that logic, it shouldn't be a stretch for to Peter to be intelligent enough to invent web-shooters. Providing the writer/director took the time to explain this in a plausible enough manner, there shouldn't be a problem. How many people are going to see Iron Man when it comes out?? Many I'm sure. Despite the financial resources available to Tony Stark, it's virtually impossible for him to create the ironman suit and make it do what it does, yet people are going to lap it up.



Is it that much of a stretch?? Peter was an outcast, he had no social life and like all geniuses, he would have had plenty of time to pick up a variety of books and expand his knowledge to become such a genius.



If the writers bothered to characterise Peter properly in the first place, it wouldn't be an issue at all. Peter could have experimented with his mechs, come up with a new formula to mix with his webbing to come off as more effective when fighting against the likes of sandman.



In the comics he has BUT these movies refuse to characterise peter properly and make him come off as an idiot.



Because Peter is a humble human being. Despite his high levels of intelligence and super powers he wants to do what he's interested in. Peter with his powers when in serious financial situations could easily acquire some capital to get him out of that trouble....anyone of us here in that situation would do it but he wouldn't. Peter would also rather pursue a career in something he enjoys more and gives him flexible time to do his superhero gig and working 9 to 5 or whatever at some high tech firm aint gonna cut it. Peter is a simple man at the core, despite his intelligence and powers. He doesn't want to be like Tony Stark, he just wants to be himself. Its not hard to understand and its why I personally, will never fully respect these spidey films or the hacks who make them....but thats just me.

And on that note, why did they never introduce three of the longest mainstays...the spider tracer, his belt and the spider signal?

 

[That'ssuper!]

It's already organic at this point, it would be pretty stupid to make it become mechanical all of a sudden, unless they introduced maybe Spider-Man losing his powers in some way.

 

[Vaportrail]

Again, you mean?
[sigh]

The only way I see this as happening is if they did the Man-Spider mutation bit... but I highly doubt they will. That's a little too far-fetched for the films I think.

-Vaportrail

 

[chaseter]

Organic is fine, adding in mechanical webshooters will just complicate the story. He got bit by a mutated spider, the first thing you associate spiders with is their webbing...therefore he would have the ability to create webbing. Harkening back to the comics is great, but not everything on paper works on film.

 

[shalashaska]

And on that note, why did they never introduce three of the longest mainstays...the spider tracer, his belt and the spider signal?

That only underscores what I've been saying in my initial posts, Raimi has robbed Peter Parker of a vital characteristic, his intelligence. Peter is devoid of foward thinking, common sense so there's no way we'd get spider tracers, the belt and web shooters. I don't care much for the spidey signal but Raimi has done a brilliant job in overcompensating the lack of characteristic by rendering Peter into a complete moron.




~Shal

 

[shalashaska]

Organic is fine, adding in mechanical webshooters will just complicate the story. He got bit by a mutated spider, the first thing you associate spiders with is their webbing...therefore he would have the ability to create webbing. Harkening back to the comics is great, but not everything on paper works on film.

That is not the point. It is the principle. Of course mechs can work on film. It is incredibly foolish to think that it is impossible for mechs to work. What it comes down to, is lazy writing and in essense, butchering a vital characteristic. Sure, to randomly change the orgs to mechs would be pointless but any good writer worth their salt can write a script that could have given us mechs to begin with also, writing a script that introduces mechs and rids us of orgs can still work but that would require a higher level of intelligence that these movies have yet to encounter.



~Shal

 

[chaseter]

That is not the point. It is the principle. Of course mechs can work on film. It is incredibly foolish to think that it is impossible for mechs to work. What it comes down to, is lazy writing and in essense, butchering a vital characteristic. Sure, to randomly change the orgs to mechs would be pointless but any good writer worth their salt can write a script that could have given us mechs to begin with also, writing a script that introduces mechs and rids us of orgs can still work but that would require a higher level of intelligence that these movies have yet to encounter.



~Shal

Going from organic to mechs in an already greatly established superhero franchise would be stupid. OMG, Wolverine is 6 feet tall now...WHO THE F*** CARES Will a movie with a 5 foot tall man work after he's been in going on 4 movies now? If you want to watch a comic book adaptation, watch cartoons. Mechs just complicate things further and is yet another subplot the audience has to deal with. People would ask why a guy with spider powers named Spider-Man has to make his own webbing. The only thing mechs show is that Peter is super intelligent...THAT IS IT. There are many other ways to showcase his intelligence. These movies made Peter Parker a realistic kid that goes through the same sh** we do, but he also has superpowers and he has to deal with those responsibilites as well. So yes, lets make a literall translation from comic to film and we can have clones, zombies, Aunt May can die 2 times and come back, etc... Oh I cannot wait for the Spider-Mobile, the Spider-Belt, the Spider-Signal, and all the great crap from the comics because without those things(like mech webs)the movies suck . That is one of the most ridiculous things Stan did with this character...he gives spider strength, spider speed, spider grip, spider sense...but no spider webs The comics were great, a great point in history for great characters but they have their flaws too.

 

[chaseter]

^Ahhhh you got banned anyways...n/m.

 

[sean61675]

Going from organic to mechs in an already greatly established superhero franchise would be stupid. OMG, Wolverine is 6 feet tall now...WHO THE F*** CARES Will a movie with a 5 foot tall man work after he's been in going on 4 movies now? If you want to watch a comic book adaptation, watch cartoons. Mechs just complicate things further and is yet another subplot the audience has to deal with. People would ask why a guy with spider powers named Spider-Man has to make his own webbing. The only thing mechs show is that Peter is super intelligent...THAT IS IT. There are many other ways to showcase his intelligence. These movies made Peter Parker a realistic kid that goes through the same sh** we do, but he also has superpowers and he has to deal with those responsibilites as well. So yes, lets make a literall translation from comic to film and we can have clones, zombies, Aunt May can die 2 times and come back, etc... Oh I cannot wait for the Spider-Mobile, the Spider-Belt, the Spider-Signal, and all the great crap from the comics because without those things(like mech webs)the movies suck . That is one of the most ridiculous things Stan did with this character...he gives spider strength, spider speed, spider grip, spider sense...but no spider webs The comics were great, a great point in history for great characters but they have their flaws too.

I am speaking from a "what should have been done" perspective. Not a "let's change it know." I do not want the spider-mobile (oh, and who cannot forget Rocket Racer). I am just saying anyone who knows a salt about Spider-Man (and this includes those of us who actually lived through the early days...I.E. 60's, 70's & 80's) knows that Spidey's flaws were human flaws. For instance, forgetting to reload the webshooters, etc. Spider-Man 2 came close to that with his bio-webs sputtering out but it is not the same. And yes, for the record, I am not some 57 year old tool on here. I was born in '75 but I am old enough to remember the way Spidey was before it got really lame in the 90's.

 

[Legendary]

Well I was born in '85 and started reading spidey comics in '88. I have 22 years of all eras of spidey and what could work on film and my opinion on this matter hasn't changed. Raimi c*cked up. Not only did he incorrectly characterise the title character of the film, he did the same for the majority of all the other characters. The pp/spider-man character is very simple and at the same time, quite complex. There's so much to explore and experiment with, with whats already been given and can be made to make sense onto film from the source material. However, when you make changes and turn the character into something else, in most cases you don't have much to work with and that's clearly the case with these movies.
Peter was robbed of his intelligence, personality amongst other things. Mechs could have been a great dynamic but Raimi was too lazy to handle it.

There's no such thing as a super intelligent teenager...if he did make mechs, why isn't he selling it or making millions?...

The answer is simple, the reasons are exactly the same as to why he's the way he is in the comics, well at least up until recently anyway.
There's too much of a lack in imagination and hollywood has actually brainwashed some people into thinking it's perfectly ok.

 

[chaseter]

I am speaking from a "what should have been done" perspective. Not a "let's change it know." I do not want the spider-mobile (oh, and who cannot forget Rocket Racer). I am just saying anyone who knows a salt about Spider-Man (and this includes those of us who actually lived through the early days...I.E. 60's, 70's & 80's) knows that Spidey's flaws were human flaws. For instance, forgetting to reload the webshooters, etc. Spider-Man 2 came close to that with his bio-webs sputtering out but it is not the same. And yes, for the record, I am not some 57 year old tool on here. I was born in '75 but I am old enough to remember the way Spidey was before it got really lame in the 90's.

Hey...the 90's were not lame

 

[Visionary]

I actually have an excellent way to get rid of of organic webshooters and introduce the mechanical webshooters into the franchise. As soon as someone ask, I'll lower the boom.

 

[Spiderine]

Lets not turn Peter into McGyver. The organic shooters are fine.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Yeeeaaahhhhhhh...and the inter-atomic flux of molecules makes sense too. People, NOTHING Peter does as Spidey makes sense or is real so who gives a flip if he makes mechanical webshooters at age 16. That was Sam's weakest argument 6 years ago. How about a 16 year old kidding making a Hollywood quality costume out of Aunt May's sewing kit and scrap fabric. I wonder how he made that raised webbing on his own let alone the custom eye pieces for the mask??

You have to weigh believability against how necessary something is to tell the story in a way that is still entertaining.

It was VERY necessary for Spider-Man to have spider powers and for his outfit to not look ridiculous, so those are ridiculous examples. Come on. You had to have known better.

mechanical webshooters would have been ridiculously unbelievable. No worse than many of the coincedences in spider-man 3, but the fact that spider-man 3 was too unbelievable doesn't justify a darn thing.

 

[Visionary]

Lets not turn Peter into McGyver. The organic shooters are fine.

I have a great idea to change McGyver's mechanical creations into organic creations.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I personally think organic web is an improvement upon the comics. A Spider's biggest trait is it's use of spinning webs...in fact, I'd go so far as to say without it, with just the "spider-sense," "spider-strength," and "spider-speed," you could easily replace the radioactive Spider he was biten by with a radioactive monkey and it would not change the story in a single way. All of the powers Peter gains in the comics could have been attributed from any radioactive animal or insect. The organic web is the only power that only a spider could have given him.

Oh and lol @ the number of people in this thread that were recently banned.

 

[Visionary]

Dude, the purists are going to find you and destroy you. I hope you're wearing your geek repellent.

 

[chaseter]

^Look at my rant up there...good to see Socko agrees with me.

 

[Venomfan]

keep the organics for as long as they are going with this series. When/if they do a reboot, use web shooters. they should have used webshooters in the first place because then he'd still have them in the comics

 

[Orko Is King]

keep the organics for as long as they are going with this series. When/if they do a reboot, use web shooters. they should have used webshooters in the first place because then he'd still have them in the comics

Actually, he has the mechs in the comics again.

 

[comic_book_guy]

Mechanical would seriously suck......

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Mechanical would seriously suck......

They wouldn't fit the movie Spidey universe as good as the organics do. That's one of the reasons I would rather keep the organics in the films. Speaking of webshooters, wasn't there a trailer for Spider-Man 1 where Peter is working on webshooters?

 

[comic_book_guy]

They wouldn't fit the movie Spidey universe as good as the organics do. That's one of the reasons I would rather keep the organics in the films. Speaking of webshooters, wasn't there a trailer for Spider-Man 1 where Peter is working on webshooters?

There was!?