Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse - Part 1

[EnDz0n3]

As good as his character turned out, and was a highlight for some people, doesn't erase how bad he actually looked.

 

[Sawyer]

The hair was bad, but everything else was comic nerds being typically whiny.

 

[Majik1387]

Yep.

 

[EnDz0n3]

The hair was bad but also the silver jacket IMO

 

[ThePhantasm]

I don't have any strong feelings toward X-Men Quicksilver one way or another. He was barely in the film.

 

[X-Maniac]

I could cope with the silver jacket, the hair was a little less convincing because of the weird colour.

But one of the things that slightly bugged me was that he so happened to live right near where they had to carry out the prison break. Did they need to have him living right outside Washington DC? Not really. They had a car, he could have lived anywhere. And the other thing was the family background and the living Mrs Maximoff. They could have gone closer to the comics and had Peter and a sister (mentioned but unseen) living with an older step-mother (equivalent of Madame Bova). Having her be a dotty old lady might make it easier to understand how she never spotted Peter's basement den was filled with stolen goods.

 

[Flint Marko]

While I don't entirely share Flint's reasoning, as he appears to posit that popular opinion and fact are one and the same,

I wasn't stating that popular opinion = fact. I was pointing out that since most people seem to agree with that observation, it's clearly not "ridiculous" to suggest that he looks like Ivan Ooze. That is what the guard originally said, and it's nonsense.

 

[Frankeh]

So apparently Isaac defended the look on the latest nerdist podcast, saying he's not purple, but grayish blue, that the picture makes everyone think he is purple. He says it's more inspired on X-Men: Evolution where he's bluer. He says it's not a CGI replica of "the" comic book look, but Singer's never really done replicas but adaptations, and it's fair if that's enough for people to say "I don't want to see it".

I'm mostly paraphrasing here as I read this on instagram. https://instagram.com/p/68bkOJhxHg/?taken-by=thenerdtruth

 

[The Guard]

So besides the purple color how does he look like Isaac Ooze you ask.

He's obviously not purple. He's light blue. Grayish-blue, per Oscar Isaacs.

He doesn't look like part human part machine. He looks like a human being with face paint on, wearing a suit. Now compare that to what we know the real apocalypse looks like, the real Apocalypse looks merged together with his machinery. It all looks apart of him.

Apocalypse clearly has machine-like elements blending with various parts of his form. Nevermind that the real Apocalypse doesn't so much, in his normal form, actually look like he's merged with machinery so much as that he's just really big, and is eventually revealed to be able to transform parts of himself.

Well first off he looks very corny.

"Corny" isn't really a visual element of a design. That's more of an opinion about how well a design works, not an inherent part of the design itself. And I think we could make an argument that Evil Muppet Comic Apocalypse also looks pretty corny at times, so in terms of not being faithful because he's kinda corny looking? Can't say I agree with that.

The Apoc in the movie looks to be wearing something like shoulder pads.

A quick glance at most comic book versions of Apocalypse will reveal that yup, he also generally is depicted with "shoulder pads/armor". So this is actually something that makes the movie design a bit more faithful.

Next look at the head piece. It is a very similar shape and angle that is shaped in a V over the forhead and then slants over the eyes. They have the same basic shape and angulation. And because it doesn't resemble what Classic Apoc has, which is no helmet, it looks closer to Ivan ooze than it does to classic Apoc.

This is one of the few similarities they share. A basic shape. And that's all well and good, but "this character also has a hat" is not nearly enough to objectively say "That's the same visual". The vast differences in the nature of their headgear makes this something of a wash.

Because:
-Ivan Ooze's is this raised, organic purple thing with pincers and long, thorny tentacles extending out to the sides and back of his headpiece.

-Apocalypse's headpiece is form-fitting, sleek, and clearly not meant to be something that was once alive, but rather more machine-like.

In other words, the inherent concepts and visual motifs of the two designs are almost completely different.

Now to me the most glaring of features is the pointing piece of the helme that stretches down the cheek and below the eye of movie Apoc. Ivan ooze also has a piece that stretches down below the eye and down the cheek at pretty much the exact same angle. Classic Apoc has nothing like this so in this instance movie Apoc resembles Ivan ooze more than classic Apoc.

That pointy piece of helmet extends down and connects to the lines around his lips.

It is, in fact, a clear visual nod to comic book Apocalypse's design. Yet again, a quick glance at most versions of comic book Apocalypse will reveal that yup, he has a blue line/piece of trim extending down along his jaw from the side of his head. So again, this is another thing that actually makes this design more faithful to the comic book look, not less so.

I can't really respond to the rest. I didn't understand most of the bit about the numbers of Ooze characteristics making something look like Ooze or not.

You cannot accurately assess the visual components of two different designs without taking into account the similarities AND the differences.

Ooze and Apocalypse are almost the opposite or markedly different conceptually in almost every significant visual element of their design, except maybe for their noses.

In fact, their noses differ as well. Ooze has far more of a "hook nose" look, and Apocalypse has a straighter nose.

And don't get me started how different their outfits are. You know, the other huge part of the design below the head...

 

[The Guard]

I wasn't stating that popular opinion = fact. I was pointing out that since most people seem to agree with that observation, it's clearly not "ridiculous" to suggest that he looks like Ivan Ooze. That is what the guard originally said, and it's nonsense.

As nonsensical as thinking that, even though a design differs in 80% of its visual elements from another design, that it still looks like said other design?

Popular opinion isn't always a reasonable, considered or intelligent one. Certainly not in this case.

I'll keep my crappy sponges, thanks.

 

[Smilodon]

Eh, I feel like Oscar didn't need to defend Apocalypse but he's basically echoing what most people have already said in that he has many different looks and Singer has taken inspiration from them.

I also don't remember looking at the EW pic of him from behind. The details in the back are cool and the cables are there and it definitely seems more techno-organic there.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

He's obviously not purple. He's light blue. Grayish-blue, per Oscar Isaacs.



Apocalypse clearly has machine-like elements blending with various parts of his form. Nevermind that the real Apocalypse doesn't so much, in his normal form, actually look like he's merged with machinery so much as that he's just really big, and is eventually revealed to be able to transform parts of himself.



"Corny" isn't really a visual element of a design. That's more of an opinion about how well a design works, not an inherent part of the design itself. And I think we could make an argument that Evil Muppet Comic Apocalypse also looks pretty corny at times, so in terms of not being faithful because he's kinda corny looking? Can't say I agree with that.



A quick glance at most comic book versions of Apocalypse will reveal that yup, he also generally is depicted with "shoulder pads/armor". So this is actually something that makes the movie design a bit more faithful.



This is one of the few similarities they share. A basic shape. And that's all well and good, but "this character also has a hat" is not nearly enough to objectively say "That's the same visual". The vast differences in the nature of their headgear makes this something of a wash.

Because:
-Ivan Ooze's is this raised, organic purple thing with pincers and long, thorny tentacles extending out to the sides and back of his headpiece.

-Apocalypse's headpiece is form-fitting, sleek, and clearly not meant to be something that was once alive, but rather more machine-like.

In other words, the inherent concepts and visual motifs of the two designs are almost completely different.



That pointy piece of helmet extends down and connects to the lines around his lips.

It is, in fact, a clear visual nod to comic book Apocalypse's design. Yet again, a quick glance at most versions of comic book Apocalypse will reveal that yup, he has a blue line/piece of trim extending down along his jaw from the side of his head. So again, this is another thing that actually makes this design more faithful to the comic book look, not less so.

I can't really respond to the rest. I didn't understand most of the bit about the numbers of Ooze characteristics making something look like Ooze or not.

You cannot accurately assess the visual components of two different designs without taking into account the similarities AND the differences.

Ooze and Apocalypse are almost the opposite or markedly different conceptually in almost every significant visual element of their design, except maybe for their noses.

In fact, their noses differ as well. Ooze has far more of a "hook nose" look, and Apocalypse has a straighter nose.

And don't get me started how different their outfits are. You know, the other huge part of the design below the head...

At the end of the day, he looks more like Ooze than classic Apoc. And your point about the lips, it doesn't look like classic Apoc at all. That piece looks much more like Oozes head piece because the prominence stops at the same point of Oozes head piece. Classic Apoc has that piece and the lips having equal prominence. The lips are 100 shades lighter and 100 x less prominent than that side piece making them appear unconnected. Your reaching with that one.

 

[GuestStar2004]

once we get a better picture of him we will see he is blue and is wearing a silver outfit and will shut a couple of people up about ivan ooze

 

[Frankeh]

once we get a better picture of him we will see he is blue and is wearing a silver outfit and will shut a couple of people up about ivan ooze

Here's hoping.

 

[Flint Marko]

At the end of the day, he looks more like Ooze than classic Apoc.

Now prepare for another eight paragraph essay detailing all the minute differences between the designs, as if that makes a larger point worth listening to.

 

[Majik1387]

Rewatching the SDCC trailer, it's really apparent how blue Apocalypse is, and how intimidating he looks.

 

[JP]

Yeah but that one photo with purple Storm and purple Psylocke shows us a purple Apocalypse!!!!!!!!

 

[Majik1387]

Yep, and even Storm's outfit is actually black and silver in the trailer.

I mean, I'm fine with people having issues with Apocalypse's look; they're wrong, but it's whatever. But seriously over the Ivan Ooze comparison considering it's so weak at best.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yep, and even Storm's outfit is actually black and silver in the trailer.

I mean, I'm fine with people having issues with Apocalypse's look; they're wrong, but it's whatever. But seriously over the Ivan Ooze comparison considering it's so weak at best.

It's wrong to have a different opinion than you. Interesting.
To your last point: Who does Apocalypse most closely resemble? His comic book counterpart, or the guy on the right? Even if we take away the purple hue, it's clear there's a more direct comparison to Mr. Ooze than Apocalypse proper. And therein lies the whole issue.

Spoiler

 

[JP]

Outside of the color, which is wrong...?

 

[Majik1387]

It's wrong to have a different opinion than you. Interesting.
To your last point: Who does Apocalypse most closely resemble? His comic book counterpart, or the guy on the right? Even if we take away the purple hue, it's clear there's a more direct comparison to Mr. Ooze than Apocalypse proper. And therein lies the whole issue.

Spoiler

You seriously need your eyes checked if you think design-wise it looks more Ooze than Apocalypse.
He's got the armor, the shoulder pads, the coils, baldness, the random line head design/silhouette, that metal collar thing, and even the A on the torso.
Ooze is covered in embroidered drapery, has alien tentacle-esque head design that flare out, a heavily wrinkled face, and sharp pointy nails on his exposed hands.

Don't like OI's Apocalypse? Fine, but the Ooze thing is dumb, and always will be, as well as the supporters of the ridiculous assessment.

 

[Flint Marko]

I actually don't mind how he looks, I've said as much on several occasions. But he undeniably looks more like Ivan Ooze than Apocalypse. It's not even a debate.

 

[JP]

It apparently is.

 

[MarvelU]

It's wrong to have a different opinion than you. Interesting.
To your last point: Who does Apocalypse most closely resemble? His comic book counterpart, or the guy on the right? Even if we take away the purple hue, it's clear there's a more direct comparison to Mr. Ooze than Apocalypse proper. And therein lies the whole issue.

Spoiler

I think the EW cover provides the best look at Apocalypse that will be closer to the movie. With color correction and possibly other additions.

I think the main problem is his size, since he is usually drawn as a big dude. I can ignore the size if the performance is good and the power display.Off topic but I would like to see cyclops in that gear one day BTW.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Scott looks like Racer X in that pic.