Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse - Part 1

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yeah but none of that negates TeeKay's point

regardless of how amazing Fassbender and McKellan have been, it gets boring
I would absolutely love a trilogy of X-Men films with no Magneto as the villain

there have been spans of years in the comics with no Magneto, and the books remained just as good

Not trying to negate it. Just explaining why people may not have a problem with it. Apocalypse is my favorite villain, so the move has me super excited. And there is nothing wrong with wanting another villain.
 
I am very curious to see what they have done with him in regards to his physical powers.
 
the UXF saga with Archangel taking over for Apocalypse?

it seemed quicker to just say Dark angel, lol, sry

They actually called it the Dark Angel Saga, so you weren't wrong.
 
I don't remember much of X-1, and I stand corrected. But my point still stands.

I suggest you go back and watch it, he wasn't trying to kill the world leaders but mutate them so they would have to be more tolerant to mutants.



He was the main villain. That's my point.

Was he though? If you want to argue that Magneto was the main villain in FC and X2, I could just as easily make a case that Pheonix was the main villain in X3. She did the most damage in the movie and was the big weapon all at the same time.



This is the almost exact thing he did in DofP.

I wouldn't say it was the exact same personally. For example, he turned much sooner in DOFP than he did in X2.



I know and I stand corrected in that regard. My original point is that Its repetitive what's been happen in this franchise yet people jump on other franchises for doing more or less the same thing.

I'm actually kind of blown away by it. People complained about Whedon using a large army of aliens in one movie and then a large army of robots in the next one.

But literally fight Magneto in every X-Men movie? Usually in the third act once he betrays you after you stupidly trusted him yet again? It's okay... because of reasons. I may be paraphrasing but I still stand by my point. I can't believe people actually can't see how Magneto has been the pretty much the main villain in all these films.

So because people criticise other franchises for it, that means you have to attack this franchise to make up for it? Sorry that doesn't make sense. Plus in FC, X2 and DOFP he wasn't the main villain, other people were, so in those movies it didn't get repetitive to me. It's only right at the end he does something villainous, the likes of Shaw, Stryker and Trask did evil things throughout, yet somehow people claim Magneto was he main villain in those movies when he clearly wasn't. That's why it isn't repetitive to me as we have had other villain along the way.



That's why I said his motives doesn't sound all that different from Ultrons. Building a better world by destroying the old one. Its been done over and over again.

It's been done over and over by Apocalypse in the comics though, not Ultron, how you can criticise this movie for giving its villain comic accurate motivations and then praise AOU for not being accurate in its villain depiction? It smacks of hypocrisy to me.

Not once in the comics have I read an Ultron story where he thinks he is mankinds saviour and wants us to evolve, but because the MCU did it's suddenly okay. But how dare an X-Men movie do it!
 
Hope Apocalypse was awoken in XIX century too and was in England.
But if he's in hibernation since Ancient Egypt, hope he won't suddenly speak English in Egypt, but will learn it somehow.
 
I suggest you go back and watch it, he wasn't trying to kill the world leaders but mutate them so they would have to be more tolerant to mutants.
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Was he though? If you want to argue that Magneto was the main villain in FC and X2, I could just as easily make a case that Pheonix was the main villain in X3. She did the most damage in the movie and was the big weapon all at the same time.

He pretty much was.

I wouldn't say it was the exact same personally. For example, he turned much sooner in DOFP than he did in X2.

:huh: Him turning against them sooner doesn't negate anything. Sinner or not is not the point. I'm sure you're aware of this. Machine created to be used against mutants ends up in Magnetos hands and he uses it against the humans. Its more or less the same. He did it with Strykers cerebro in X-2 and Trasks sentinels in DofP.

So because people criticise other franchises for it, that means you have to attack this franchise to make up for it? Sorry that doesn't make sense. Plus in FC, X2 and DOFP he wasn't the main villain, other people were, so in those movies it didn't get repetitive to me. It's only right at the end he does something villainous, the likes of Shaw, Stryker and Trask did evil things throughout, yet somehow people claim Magneto was he main villain in those movies when he clearly wasn't. That's why it isn't repetitive to me as we have had other villain along the way.

How am I attacking this franchise? You're making it sound as if I'm being hostile? I'm no the only one who feels strongly about this. There have been people here who feel the same but I'm just more vocal about it. Let me break it down for you.

X1: Main villain
X-2: Works with the X-Men and Turns against them
X-3: Main villain
FC: Works with the X-Men and turns against them.
DofP: Works with the X-Men and turns against them.

That is my point^^ Notice a pattern here? That's why I'm saying its repetitive.

It's been done over and over by Apocalypse in the comics though, not Ultron, how you can criticise this movie for giving its villain comic accurate motivations and then praise AOU for not being accurate in its villain depiction? It smacks of hypocrisy to me.

*sigh* I didn't criticize anything. All I said is that his motives sound too similar to what Ultron was trying to do. That is all. I didn't praise AoU at all in this thread.:huh: A couple pages ago I even said :

I just hope Singer does a better job at exploring Apocalypses motives than Whedon did for Ultron. Took me a couple viewings to understand what Ultron was trying to achieve in AoU.

I drew similarities between the two villains.In fact when the trailer for Apocalypse first came out, I said I hope Apocalypse isn't just a "haha I'm gonna deatroy the world" villain (judging from his speech in the trailer) and actually a poster or two here responded saying his motives won't be that straight forward.

Not once in the comics have I read an Ultron story where he thinks he is mankinds saviour and wants us to evolve, but because the MCU did it's suddenly okay. But how dare an X-Men movie do it!

Where did I ever say it's okay for the MCU to do it and how dare the X-Men do it? I didn't even insinuate that. I just said its been done over and over again that when Apocalypse does do it, it won't be too different from what we've already seen from Ultron. But now you wanna make it a MCU vs X-Men debate when it wasn't even about that if you read my previous posts and what I was trying to say, yeesh. We're done here.
 
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Never realised his line in the trailer was an actual XM:TAS quote
 
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Excellent. Hope we get other lines inspired by TAS.
 
You're right "I can't actually throw up in my mouth, but if I could I would do it!" is very much an Ultron line from the comics/cartoons!
 
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Never realised his line in the trailer was an actual XM:TAS quote

Great catch. I'm also hoping for "I am the rocks of the eternal shore, crash against me and be broken" or "I am as far beyond mutants as they are beyond you".
 
You're right "I can't actually throw up in my mouth, but if I could I would do it!" is very much an Ultron line from the comics/cartoons!

(Sigh......) Why do people derail the topics to attack the MCU as if I care? I can accept the flaws in my favorite shows and movies so why can't you? I mean go ahead if that helps you deal with Fox's imperfect past (Elektra), present (4stic) and future(Ooze) But it doesn't really bother me in the slightest. It's like bashing Golden State, they're not perfect but who's winning..?

I have a deeper passion for G1 Transformers lore but making little Decepticon remarks won't hurt my feelings either.
 
Fact of the matter is, you don't even give credit where credit is due with this movie. Which doesn't make you better than a hater of any Marvel movie who won't admit its strenghts out of a loyalism to another studio (FOX, WB, take your pick). CyclopsWasRight proved the literally identical dialogue, just as I posted proof that everything we've read about this Apocalypse is 1) not against comics, 2) not a knockoff of Magneto...

But yeah, I'm "hostile" so whatever, my points will be dismissed.
 
^ Best to just ignore those who are overtly negative all the time about every topic relating to the franchise. If everyone does then they don't get the conflict and attention they desire, get bored and go elsewhere
 
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