Parents faking religious beliefs to keep children from being vaccinated

I'm tempted to write them all off as morons, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something here.

Is there such a thing as too young, for vaccination?
Vaccinations have side effects? I've never heard of that before.

I used to post on a board where a woman claimed one of her sons had a bad reaction to a vaccination as a baby and has been autistic ever since. I've always remembered that and thought if I had little kids, I'd think long and hard about it. I mean, you don't want them dieing of chicken pox or something, but why can't they give them smaller doses? Their bodies are teeny. It seems like they could give them more frequent but smaller doses. :huh:

I also say Jenny McCarthy on GMA a couple of weeks ago talking about her autistic son and she gave the shocking statistic that 1 in 150 children in America is autistic. That's ridiculous! Whether or not it's from the vaccines I don't know, but something is obviously going on.
 
The religious clause that keep children from getting necessary treatments needs to go. They have no right to risk their children or others lives.
 
My own son, the once famopus poster known as thesonofbat, or TSoB for short, got received his vaccines containing thiomersal, which is a mercury based preservative used in vaccines in order to simply give the kids one shot instead of multiple shots.

When Robin turned three, he was diagnosed with Autism (high functioning), and while there isn't any concrete evidence connecting the two, vaccines no longer contain thiomersal.

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The religious clause that keep children from getting necessary treatments needs to go. They have no right to risk their children or others lives.

While there may be a risk of a child dying, vaccines prevent kids from developping immunities to certain diseases naturally.

I'm on the fence with this topic... not knowing anything prior to TSoB's birth and having compete faith in the medical community. But since his diagnosis, I don't really know who or what to believe anymore...

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You said it yourself, there's no hard evidence that vaccines have ever caused Autism and the suspected chemical is no longer in use anyways.
 
If they made the vaccine, then there is a reason to use it. Might as well make health optional. :huh:
 
While there may be a risk of a child dying, vaccines prevent kids from developping immunities to certain diseases naturally.

I'm on the fence with this topic... not knowing anything prior to TSoB's birth and having compete faith in the medical community. But since his diagnosis, I don't really know who or what to believe anymore...

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Wow-I didn't know that TSOB has slight autism, TMOB. I'm sorry to hear that, but from what you've said, he sounds like a pretty normal happy kid.

The thing about vaccinating against diseases like mumps and measles is that these are not fatal or even very dangerous diseases in most cases. The question is, is the risk for vaccine side-effects greater than the risk of having an unusually bad reaction to a common childhood disease?

My opinion is that vaccines are necessary, but we need to re-examine the way that they are delivered all at once in large doses at such a young age. If the risk of disease outweighs the risk of vaccine side-effects then fine, but the public should be able to make an informed decision.
 
Yeah, because having autistic kids is so much fun and way cool...

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Would you rather have an autistic kid or a dead kid?

There are different degrees of autisim, so 1 in 150 is a misleading number. Asperger's syndrome is a form of autisim, and I bet many people on SSH have it.

Also, who do they know the kids weren't autistic to begin with? It's hard to diagnose someone that young.
 
"i bet many people on shh have it "


ouch

It wasn't meant to be an insult. One thing people with Asperger's Syndrome do is have an intense interest and knowledge on narrow subjects. When you read some peoples posts, they get really obsessive.
 
Wow-I didn't know that TSOB has slight autism, TMOB. I'm sorry to hear that, but from what you've said, he sounds like a pretty normal happy kid.

The thing about vaccinating against diseases like mumps and measles is that these are not fatal or even very dangerous diseases in most cases. The question is, is the risk for vaccine side-effects greater than the risk of having an unusually bad reaction to a common childhood disease?

My opinion is that vaccines are necessary, but we need to re-examine the way that they are delivered all at once in large doses at such a young age. If the risk of disease outweighs the risk of vaccine side-effects then fine, but the public should be able to make an informed decision.

To the outside world, he seems normal, but if you watch him for a while, he has the occasional hand flaps, the repetitive whispering to himself, etc... He's very smart and has a natural flair for math (he just entered Grade 4... can you believe it???), but he tends to obcess on a limited number of things; Spider-Man, Star Wars, fear of death, etc...

I agree with your last statement that I wish I had been better informed about the shots at the time as opposed to the blind faith I had on the medical community.

My wife never received shots as a child (her parents were VERY religious), and she's one tough customer as an adult because her body has developped natural immunities to childhood diseases like the measles & the mumps as a kid.

We hope to have kids of our own soon, and the topic of vaccines will be a very confusing and difficult one to discuss. You just feel like you're doing the wrong thing regardless of whichever route you decide to take.

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Would you rather have an autistic kid or a dead kid?

There are different degrees of autisim, so 1 in 150 is a misleading number. Asperger's syndrome is a form of autisim, and I bet many people on SSH have it.

Also, who do they know the kids weren't autistic to begin with? It's hard to diagnose someone that young.
I know she doesn't seem like a reliable source, but you really should look up Jenny McCarthy's story regarding her autistic son and his MMR vaccine.
 
While there may be a risk of a child dying, vaccines prevent kids from developping immunities to certain diseases naturally.
Sorry but that's hogwash

If you vaccinate, you insert an inactive virus into the body, The immune system reacts to it as if it were an active one and creates antibodies, building up a memory data base in the case you get infected with an active virus. That is building up immunities naturally... except you want to risk your child dying by infecting them with a virus that can break out.
 
Depends on what the vaccination is for. If it's a pretty serious virus and it becomes "active" while inside the person, watch out!

That's true, however like with everything else in life it's a matter of evaluating risks. Our in this case, the mortality rate of a certain disease with the probabilty of a virus becoming active.
 
Why vaccination of even "non-severe" children diseases is necessairy and should be compulsory for all children:

Mumps

The mumps are caused by a paramyxovirus, and are spread from person to person by saliva droplets or direct contact with articles that have been contaminated with infected saliva. The parotid glands (the salivary glands between the ear and the jaw) are usually involved. Unvaccinated children between the ages of 2 and 12 are most commonly infected, but the infection can occur in other age groups. Orchitis (swelling of the testes) occurs in 10–20% of infected males, but sterility only rarely ensues; a viral meningitis occurs in about 5% of those infected. In older people, the central nervous system, the pancreas, the prostate, the breasts, and other organs may be involved.
The incubation period is usually 18 to 21 days, but may range from as few as 12 to as many as 35 days.[2] Mumps is generally a mild illness in children in developed countries. After adolescence, mumps tends to affect the ovary, causing oophoritis, and the testes, causing orchitis. The mature testis is particularly susceptible to damage from mumps which can lead to infertility. Adults infected with mumps are more likely to develop severe symptoms and complications.


Measels:

Complications with measles are relatively common, ranging from relatively mild and less serious diarrhea, to pneumonia and encephalitis (subacute sclerosing panencephalitis), corneal ulceration leading to corneal scarring[1]. Complications are usually more severe amongst adults who catch the virus.
The fatality rate from measles for otherwise healthy people in developed countries is low: approximately 1 death per thousand cases. In underdeveloped nations with high rates of malnutrition and poor healthcare, fatality rates of 10 percent are common. In immunocompromised patients, the fatality rate is approximately 30 percent.



Measles is a significant infectious disease because, while the rate of complications is not high, the disease itself is so infectious that the sheer number of people who would suffer complications in an outbreak amongst non-immune people would quickly overwhelm available hospital resources. If vaccination rates fall, the number of non-immune persons in the community rises, and the risk of an outbreak of measles consequently rises.



Rubella:
Rubella can affect anyone of any age and is generally a mild disease. However, rubella can cause congenital rubella syndrome in the fetus of an infected pregnant woman. Usually occurs between 14 - 21 weeks of pregnancy.
 
That's true, however like with everything else in life it's a matter of evaluating risks. Our in this case, the mortality rate of a certain disease with the probabilty of a virus becoming active.

Yeah, I'm all for any and all vaccines. :up:
 
Yeah, I'm all for any and all vaccines. :up:

It doesn't even have to be a high mortality rate, some diseases like measels are so contagious that they would crash hospitals if a huge outbreak occures. A lot of vaccinations are not only done to protect the child but to also gurantee that society as a whole remains relatively healthy. Government has no interest in diseases spreading and causing the overall health of society to fail.

I personaly think vaccination should be mandatory for everyone and if one doesn't comply he should face severe penalities.
 
I think that the vaccines should be introduced into the child's body one shot per one disease at different times.

But in this day and age of "getting it all done once", they mix them all into one or two seperate shots, and contain questionable yet required ingredients to give these shots, such as the thiomersal they once used.

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