Party held in Prison.

[Majic Walrus]

He's in prison for a reason. If he wanted to see his son's bar mitzvah, he should have thought of it before he committed the crime. The most he should have gotten was a recording of it.

Prisoners are constantly accommodated with exercise equipment, televisions, computers with internet access. Prisons have multiple reasons for usage. They can be used for rehabilitation, deterring crimes from being committed, and punishment for a crime. When this guy woke up he was in jail, when he went to sleep he was in jail.

Which of the reasons for prison was not fulfilled?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

All of that is fine but having a bat mitzvah in the prison? That crosses the line.

 

[Majic Walrus]

All of that is fine but having a bat mitzvah in the prison? That crosses the line.

They have birthday parties in prisons for prisoners, they've even had Christmas, Halloween, and Hanukkah parties in various prisons.

 

[Maximus One]

I would have more compassion for the inmate here if he didn't try to avoid justice and ran away to Brazil.

Doesnt matter what he did hes still a human being

 

[SsM]

Doesnt matter what he did hes still a human being

Who cares? He should have thought of all of this before deciding to be a criminal.

 

[Matt]

Just because he's a human being doesn't mean tax dollars need to be spent to give him special privledges.

 

[Maximus One]

Special privileges? Its a freakin bar mitzvah yall act like the gaurds were buying the inmates hookers and drugs or something. I think somebody needs to loosen up they buttholes

 

[Warhammer]

Hey what are ya gonna do ya know. I did some stupid **** and paid for it. **** happens when your young dumb and full of ***

Say what?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

They have birthday parties in prisons for prisoners, they've even had Christmas, Halloween, and Hanukkah parties in various prisons.

They shouldn't have those; it's prison, not elementary school. And a bar mitzvah for the son of an inmate should not be allowed. Especially if tax payers are paying for it.

 

[enterthemadness]

They shouldn't have those; it's prison, not elementary school. And a bar mitzvah for the son of an inmate should not be allowed. Especially if tax payers are paying for it.

Not having X-mas, any b-day parties, or Thanksgiving in prison, yes, prisons is in-human and sickening.

 

[E-Man]

Who cares? He should have thought of all of this before deciding to be a criminal.

Criminals are humans too. Some of them are people who just made mistakes. They deserve second chances just like anyone else. Part of justice should be rehabilitating criminals. If you just throw them in prison without the rehabilitation part, you'd get an even worse criminal when they eventually get out. If the guy has caused no problems during his bid, why not let him perform something religious with his son? The tax payer argument isn't even that valid either. It's not like every single tax payer was paying this guy $100 out of their own pockets. The tax payers probably barely spent a penny on this individually.

 

[Maximus One]

Criminals are humans too. Some of them are people who just made mistakes. They deserve second chances just like anyone else. Part of justice should be rehabilitating criminals. If you just throw them in prison without the rehabilitation part, you'd get an even worse criminal when they eventually get out. If the guy has caused no problems during his bid, why not let him perform something religious with his son? The tax payer argument isn't even that valid either. It's not like every single tax payer was paying this guy $100 out of their own pockets. The tax payers probably barely spent a penny on this individually.

Finally some backs me up! Thank you E-Man cuz you took the words right outta my mouth homeslice

 

[bullets]

I don't see how attending a son's bar mitzvah would be part of the rehabilitation . To me it's special priviledges that would have to be offered to all the inmates . otherwise it wouldn't be considered fair.

 

[Majic Walrus]

They shouldn't have those; it's prison, not elementary school. And a bar mitzvah for the son of an inmate should not be allowed. Especially if tax payers are paying for it.

I'll let E-Man speak here...

Criminals are humans too. Some of them are people who just made mistakes. They deserve second chances just like anyone else. Part of justice should be rehabilitating criminals. If you just throw them in prison without the rehabilitation part, you'd get an even worse criminal when they eventually get out. If the guy has caused no problems during his bid, why not let him perform something religious with his son? The tax payer argument isn't even that valid either. It's not like every single tax payer was paying this guy $100 out of their own pockets. The tax payers probably barely spent a penny on this individually.

This is perfect!

I don't see how attending a son's bar mitzvah would be part of the rehabilitation . To me it's special priviledges that would have to be offered to all the inmates . otherwise it wouldn't be considered fair.

Imagine that when you do good good and behave well you get perks in prison. You're encouraged to act upright because you know that will get you perks.

I mean they already do the opposite. If you act poorly in prison there is special confinements and even separate sections of prison where you are in your cell 23 hours a day and in a steel cage the other hour.

If we punish bad behavior why not reward good behavior?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I'll let E-Man speak here...

This is perfect!

Having parties should not be part of rehabilitation. You can be rehabilitated without having parties like it's 1st grade again.


And I'm sorry but the tax payer argument is valid. They should not have to spend extra so an inmate can get some special treatment like having his son's bar mitzvah in the prison.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Having parties should not be part of rehabilitation. You can be rehabilitated without having parties like it's 1st grade again.

How does one rehabilitate a prisoner without offering rewards? What kind of reward would a Jewish prisoner want on his son's 13th birthday?

I know it seems contrary to punishment because it's not, but if we really only intend prison to be "punishment" then why can't we develop and implement a punishment that doesn't cost so much in the first place?

And I'm sorry but the tax payer argument is valid. They should not have to spend extra so an inmate can get some special treatment like having his son's bar mitzvah in the prison.

We spend millions on catching, going to trial, and imprisoning someone multiple times. I'd rather spend the extra money the first time they're in prison and try to prevent them from going back a second time.

 

[E-Man]

Having parties should not be part of rehabilitation. You can be rehabilitated without having parties like it's 1st grade again.


And I'm sorry but the tax payer argument is valid. They should not have to spend extra so an inmate can get some special treatment like having his son's bar mitzvah in the prison.

A bar mitzvah isn't just a party. It's a religious event that signifies coming of age. I'm not Jewish, but it seems to me like something that's pretty important in the faith. I'd imagine that this is something that Jewish fathers spend an ample amount of time waiting and preparing for.

How does one rehabilitate a prisoner without offering rewards? What kind of reward would a Jewish prisoner want on his son's 13th birthday?

I know it seems contrary to punishment because it's not, but if we really only intend prison to be "punishment" then why can't we develop and implement a punishment that doesn't cost so much in the first place?



We spend millions on catching, going to trial, and imprisoning someone multiple times. I'd rather spend the extra money the first time they're in prison and try to prevent them from going back a second time.

The bold is something that can't be ignored. We all agree that criminals need to be punished. No one wants to coddle these guys in prison, but we do want to keep them from making the same mistakes they made in the past. That's where the rehabilitation process comes in. If the guy has shown signs of reforming, why not let him take part in an important religious ritual with his son? If he was a scumbag that got into fights in the prison yard all the time, then don't let him have it. If that was the case, I'd be upset at this news, but nothing has indicated that the guy is some scumbag of the Oz variety.

 

[bullets]

Imagine that when you do good good and behave well you get perks in prison. You're encouraged to act upright because you know that will get you perks.

I mean they already do the opposite. If you act poorly in prison there is special confinements and even separate sections of prison where you are in your cell 23 hours a day and in a steel cage the other hour.

If we punish bad behavior why not reward good behavior?

I understand what your saying but a prisoner could argue that a bar mitzvah is a right and not a priviledge .