TheVileOne
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I still blame most of the movie's crucial problems on Edgar Wright.
Marginalizing Hank Pym and making him an old man. Marginalizing The Wasp. Hope van Dyne.Them being?
The premise and material Peyton Reed got to work with was pure gold.
Pity it had to go through the Marvel blender.
Actually it has a lot to do with it. It forces in a character like Hope van Dyne, who is basically made into a Mary Sue. There is no logical reason it is not her who should be going on the heist.
Lang has not joined anyone yet. However, registration will force everyone to act so it's not like Lang or Pym have much choice. Pym saw the value of his tech in the past, and at the end of Ant-Man he has clearly had a change of heart towards things. Pym may have changed his opinions toward the Avengers, but it's important to note Lang is not on Stark's side in Civil War.Not to mention the fact that you have a man like Hank Pym giving the Ant-Man tech to Scott Lang. Pym does not have a high opinion of the Avengers, but he allows Lang to keep all the tech to go and join them. It doesn't clarify what Pym wants Lang to do with the tech after the heist. Or if he's OK with Lang going off to join the people Hank Pym WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH! He wanted the tech nowhere near Tony Stark.
Lang wanted redemption in his daughter's eyes. Lang was never really a bad guy though he did steal from an executive who scammed folks (I think this was the case, I'm too lazy to look it up). Former felons don't get many opportunities in the real world so becoming a superhero isn't such a bad gig if you can get it.There is no reason why Lang should go on the heist. OK, protect the world and keep it out of bad guy hands. But what does that do for Lang? It doesn't clear his record or name. It doesn't keep him out of jail. Was Pym planning on hiring Lang? Was he going to give him something in return? Of course, Pym is off the hook but only out of circumstance and not really anything Pym did directly. The plot never clarifies any of this. "Being a hero" is not a logical reason forPymLang to take on the mantle of Ant-Man.
Films ain't the comics, yo. Lang did burgle Pym's property with the intent to steal money, there just wasn't any, so he stole what he thought was valuable, that being the suit. He was then coerced into being Ant-Man, either that or go back to jail.In the comics, he stole the tech for specific reasons that made sense logically at least.
Since when have parents been logical about protecting their children from perceived threats? Have you never thought a parent acted a bit over-cautious regarding the safety of their children? Pym may have been acting irrational and illogical but he was certainly not out of character considering his history.
Lang has not joined anyone yet. However, registration will force everyone to act so it's not like Lang or Pym have much choice. Pym saw the value of his tech in the past, and at the end of Ant-Man he has clearly had a change of heart towards things. Pym may have changed his opinions toward the Avengers, but it's important to note Lang is not on Stark's side in Civil War.
Lang wanted redemption in his daughter's eyes. Lang was never really a bad guy though he did steal from an executive who scammed folks (I think this was the case, I'm too lazy to look it up). Former felons don't get many opportunities in the real world so becoming a superhero isn't such a bad gig if you can get it.
Films ain't the comics, yo. Lang did burgle Pym's property with the intent to steal money, there just wasn't any, so he stole what he thought was valuable, that being the suit. He was then coerced into being Ant-Man, either that or go back to jail.
Again, I didn't like that they made whether or not Hope could be Wasp completely about Hank and his issues. God forbid it be about Hope and HER character, nope lets do an "overprotective/unreasonable daddy" plot instead. And the fact that the movie draws attention to how uber-competent/qualified she was just makes it all the worse.
Especially since I didn't find their dynamic to be nearly as interesting/compelling as other seem to. I found it rather cliché/predictable honestly and I DO question whether they'd have done this same kind of arc with a MALE hero (because they decidedly have not so far) or if they'd have handled Janet's death the same way either (given the MCU's previous track record, I have my doubts).
Hope Pym is not the main character in a film titled 'Ant-Man'. The mind boggles.
That's great news, if true! I always hated the idea of the commitee interfering with the work of perfectly capable screenwriters and filmmakers. This is movies we're talking about! Let them filmmakers make MOVIES!