Comics Phoenix Force: Public Access

[Havok83]

Even if she doesn't lead a team, I want her to take back the school!

oh definetly. I want her to kick the tramp in chage out and reclaim her title as headmistress

 

[Valechan]

Endsong felt completely empty and, like someone said, a "so what?" kinda feeling.

Warson makes me feel like "Why the hell am I spending money on this crap?", but then again I've already bought craps like the 198 and Civil War X-Men, so another crappy story is not much. Btw, have you read the first paragraph on the recap pages? How much lamer than that can they get???

 

[Nature's Rising]

At first I thought that Jean doens't have leadership potential, but then she was kissing Scott's arse.

I think that the whole PF thing somehow gave her a new outlook towards control and power. Her controlling the Phoenix is already a hint on how she can handle a team. Because IMO, the load PF has is a lot more than a team (especially a team of experienced X-Men). I think it's more about control and trust, and I think after the whole debacle of her being the Phoenix, she gained so much independence and esp. without Scott to make her "feel safe" anymore then I think she can carry a team. SHe's been too long in X-Men, I think leadership would actually be fit for her. If she's going to be headmistress, that's still the same as being the leader.

And it's not like someone in her team would whine. She just burn what doesn't work. Heh.

 

[Havok83]

^^I get what you're saying but Im not too sure about her leading alone. She did that in Eve of Destruction and she didnt do that great of a job. I still think she'd be great as a co-leader. I loved Warren's stint as X-men leader and would love to see him paired with Jean leading a team together. I think they'd compliment each other well. But hey I guess it all depends on the writer. I hated the idea of Rogue as leader and didnt think she had it in her but Carey won me over and Im loving her in the new role. Maybe someone can change my mind about Jean

 

[Valechan]

Rogue earned her right during Claremont's return, the Revolution. X-Men 103 was a great issue.

Jean does have some leadership potential, but the only way I can see her leading is if there are no other leaders around, when situation is dire and direction is needed, she might arise as a new leader. Otherwise I don't think it'd happen. In EoD she didn't actually "lead" seeing as she was following's Scott's plans.

 

[usagicassidy]

Well at least she wouldn't get captured during every mission by someone that wants to make her their queen...

 

[Valechan]

yeah, she'd make a very crappy queen, that's why no one ever wanted her for that job

 

[Nature's Rising]

The only problem I have with Jean is, she's always written to be that someone who can't live without a man. Put her with Warren together as leaders, give them 2 weeks and they'll be hitting it off.

 

[usagicassidy]

I could see it.

 

[Havok83]

The only problem I have with Jean is, she's always written to be that someone who can't live without a man. Put her with Warren together as leaders, give them 2 weeks and they'll be hitting it off.

Yeah I can see that too since they have a history of sexual tension. lol...I love the idea of Warren and Jean. Seriously they should have both hooked up back in X-factor. To hell with Scott and Candy Southern

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Back in the days of the original five, Warren tried to compete with Scott but failed miserably. Jean liked the attention but was never interested in anyone but Scott.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

To hell with Scott and Candy Southern

Huh, pretty much the exact same thing I think about Jean from Cyke's perspective, lol.

As for the second part, yeah, I bet most of us couldn't care less about Candy... (Edit: before the dying thingy at that)

Oh, and as for the actual thread...

Yeah, the Phoenix Force has pretty much become a joke, hasn't it? I mean, I've hated it with a passion since day one, but, well, it's good to see canon giving even more of a reason.

And I'm going with Sebita on this one... What the hell does not liking the PF has anything to do with going on a 'Storm ROXXOR!!' crusade?

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Endsong felt completely empty and, like someone said, a "so what?" kinda feeling.

Well, as a Cyke fan and Scott/Emma enthusiast, I did enjoy seeing him get some closure over the Jean fiasco. Oh, and the whole 'him moving on' thingy. That too. Still am laughing maniacally in delight at that "Your heart... for you?" line.

But, yeah, I'll admit that other than character development for Cyke, a few really cool moments, nothing really happened...

 

[Manic]

And I'm going with Sebita on this one... What the hell does not liking the PF has anything to do with going on a 'Storm ROXXOR!!' crusade?

Clearly, you're not too familiar with sebita's posts. Whenever they talk about Jean, it's usually in comparison to Storm. Heck, look at the avatar.

 

[Valechan]

My avatar rules

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Clearly, you're not too familiar with sebita's posts. Whenever they talk about Jean, it's usually in comparison to Storm. Heck, look at the avatar.

Trust me, I get that Sebita's a Storm enthusiast. It's just that Seb's point remains valid whether one mentions Storm or not in the discussion.

That being said, as far as I'm concerned, Storm got about as many silly mutant powers buffs as Jean. And I didn't take Seb's side in the Storm VS Jean thread.

As a matter of fact, I think I killed it by mentioning that Storm got owned by Phoenix in one panel in Endsong.

 

[Havok83]

Huh, pretty much the exact same thing I think about Jean from Cyke's perspective, lol.

As for the second part, yeah, I bet most of us couldn't care less about Candy... (Edit: before the dying thingy at that)

LOL...While I hate Emma and Scott, I guess I can see where you are coming from then

Below is my favorite Jean/Warren scene. Id kill to see those two actually together. Candy is comes across as such a loser. Calm down twit! I had to laugh at her saying that Jean's mutant powers is to make men fall in love with her and destroy them. I loved Warren's inner dialogue better though "Go after Candy and salvage what's little left of my life or help the woman I have no right to save the man she loves who just so happens to be my best friend". Too bad Warren "died" not too long after this bc he still carried a torch for Jean and I would have loved to have seen that triangle play out especially since Scott was unavailable and had no business opposing a possible future between them

 

[Havok83]

and the second part

 

[Nature's Rising]

Well, as a Cyke fan and Scott/Emma enthusiast, I did enjoy seeing him get some closure over the Jean fiasco. Oh, and the whole 'him moving on' thingy.

I think im in the minority that supports Scott with Emma. I think he has been more open with her than he was with Jean. Emma is this kind of girl that doesn't care what other people thinks of her, it's like what you see what you get, while Jean is always putting up a goody image. That's just what I always feel. All the other women in X-Men are not like that, she's just this goody two shoes girl. But anyway, I'm enjoying seeing Scott with Emma all the time, like he is not afraid to fight and do things he never did with Jean, like what I call a healthy relationship. The whole Jean-I-Need-You relationship was just creepy.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think im in the minority that supports Scott with Emma. I think he has been more open with her than he was with Jean. Emma is this kind of girl that doesn't care what other people thinks of her, it's like what you see what you get, while Jean is always putting up a goody image. That's just what I always feel. All the other women in X-Men are not like that, she's just this goody two shoes girl. But anyway, I'm enjoying seeing Scott with Emma all the time, like he is not afraid to fight and do things he never did with Jean, like what I call a healthy relationship. The whole Jean-I-Need-You relationship was just creepy.

I KNOW.

I just don't get all the Scott/Emma hate. It's much more of an adult viable relationship then Scott/Jean ever was.

As far as I'm concerned, Jean always was in love with Cyke's 'White Knight' persona/mantle/mask. It's not that there's something wrong with that. It's just that it was the last thing Cyke needed.

Emma likes him for the guy he refuses to show the world. A ruthless no-nonsense SOB fighting on the side of angels. This is the guy we got glimpses of for years and that we should see in the current Astonishing arc, btw.

Besides, Scott Emma are both bitter, cynical, calculating, they push each other's buttons, they're so completely and utterly broken (respectively) it's not even funny and they get each other more than anyone else ever did. It's a refreshing pace to see a good match rather than the old 'opposites attract' thingy.

See, a pro Scott/Emma rant without much Scott/Jean basing.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Below is my favorite Jean/Warren scene. Id kill to see those two actually together.

To be honest, they would've been a better match than Scott/Jean IMO.

Cyke just had way too much issue, really. An indecisive goody-two-shoes was the last thing he needed.

The guy really should've known better than pine for her during those crucial years he should've spent working on his own issues rather than wait for her to 'meet him halfway there'.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

and the second part

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[Valechan]

As a matter of fact, I think I killed it by mentioning that Storm got owned by Phoenix in one panel in Endsong.

a) it was the Phoenix Force, not Phoenix
b) we didn't see Ororo laying on the ground dead did we? we merely saw her backflip, we know not if she recovered instantly in mid-air or if she fell to the ground (my theory is the former )

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

a) it was the Phoenix Force, not Phoenix
b) we didn't see Ororo laying on the ground dead did we? we merely saw her backflip, we know not if she recovered instantly in mid-air or if she fell to the ground (my theory is the former )

Yeah, well, we didn't see her even TRY for a second round against the PF, eh?

Considering your sig and avatar, I'm not exactly surprise you'd go for the former theory...

Sigh.

You're not even gonna aknowledge - like, ever - that Storm shouldn't have any business defeating the PF, are ya?

Oh well.

 

[Valechan]

UX 137, when Ororo held the Dark Phoenix at bay she could not escape her attack. Regreatbbly Cyclops (being the bad leader that he is) sent Wolverine and Colossus to continue instead of asking Ororo to finish her off (which she wouldn't have, but if she wanted she could have )

And in endsong she didn't have time to get back up since the next panel had Jean attacking Emma Phoenix