Pirates of the Caribbean 5 - Part 1

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Ian McShane deserved a better character and a better movie.

How you cast Ian ****ing McShane as Blackbeard and then proceed to waste him is utterly beyond me.

Yeah, huge waste of both McShane as an actor and Blackbeard's potential as a character. I know Pirates isn't all about being historically accurate, but Blackbeard is way too interesting a person to get reduced to a one dimensional cardboard cutout of a villain.
 
I actually really like the 4th film and thought it was a big step up over the 3rd. I know that is an unpopular opinion though.

I think it's the worst one. It took one step forward (to simplify things from part 3..okay that's great... and then two steps back (by making a mostly dull film).
 
they wasted McShane... and let's face it... Penelope Cruz sucks lol
 
Yeah, huge waste of both McShane as an actor and Blackbeard's potential as a character. I know Pirates isn't all about being historically accurate, but Blackbeard is way too interesting a person to get reduced to a one dimensional cardboard cutout of a villain.

Eh...the real Blackbeard isn't terribly interesting for the cartoon world of POTC. He is mostly only remembered because of his image, which was used to terrify opposing sailors into surrendering without a fight. He wasn't active very long on his own (as opposed to serving under Benjamin Hornigold), and he isn't even recorded as having killed anybody until his last stand at Ocracoke.

There were more interesting members of the Flying Gang, such as Hornigold, Henry Jennings, and Charles Vane.

Personally, I'd love to see a Woodes Rogers movie. Now that guy had a fascinating life.
 
the best female lead in POTC is Orlando Bloom
 
It's like how I think Sparrow works the best only in the first film.
 
Sparrow's debts should've been a running joke. Like in 4 someone could be like, "OK, you sold your soul to the devil of the seas...WHO ELSE DID YOU SELL IT TO?"
 
It's like how I think Sparrow works the best only in the first film.

They turned Sparrow into a whacky cartoon character in the sequels. Which is fun, but takes away all his depth. In the first film, his goofier aspects are more of an act and he's actually rather shrewd.
 
in the first his 'goofier' aspects resembled him actually going mad when he was marooned... i loved the first movie and jack in that movie is one of my favorite characters. it was a darker movie all together... disney just weirdly had to add more humor in pursuit of that billion dollar franchise.. which I think the 2nd movie would have made just as much without the humor... if you remember some of the teasers/trailers for BOTH sequels were very serious toned for the most part.
 
hell the first bit of DMC was great until he got to that damn island with the tribe.
 
To be fair, some of the more serious parts of the first film didn't work. That scene in the cabin after rescuing Elizabeth, was excruciatingly bad. "It was my father's blood. My blood. The blood of a pirate". Ugh...

Depp and Rush really were the saviors of that first movie.
 
AWE still started with the mass executions, plus Mercer shot one of Sao Feng's geishas point-blank.
 
AWE had some gorgeous imagery. The boat going over the edge of the world was incredible. I loved that sequence.
 
AWE still started with the mass executions, plus Mercer shot one of Sao Feng's geishas point-blank.

I still don't like the violence in the third film. This is coming from a gore hound!

There's no payoff - I thought the geishas were going to meet up with Jack in the afterlife but no. It was just violent for the sake of being violent, which is strange for a kid's movie.
 
I hate On Stranger Tides. It was the most boring movie going experience I ever had. Bland all around.

I'm a big fan of DMC and AWE because of how weird they get. Maybe I'm just a fan of Gore Verbinski. I thought The Lone Ranger was pretty awesome. :funny:
 
I still don't like the violence in the third film. This is coming from a gore hound!

There's no payoff - I thought the geishas were going to meet up with Jack in the afterlife but no. It was just violent for the sake of being violent, which is strange for a kid's movie.

POTC are not kid's films. They are pg-13 films, and have all involved people being shot, stabbed, and blown up. Frankly I still don't understand why the geisha being shot bothers some people. There isn't a drop of blood. Nothing about their characters made it seem like they would have a role in the film. And they were in the front when the troops came in and the geisha worked with one of the known pirates. Of course they would be shot at, and being nobody characters they were expendable like so many other nobody characters in these films have been. And the moment reminded the audience that Mercer doesn't **** around. He then later kills the other one when she tries to kill him. It plays out logically.

If it was a man that Mercer shot in the head I doubt viewers would have given the moment a second thought.
 
People like to complain that there no longer are dark fantasy films aimed at a young audience like some 80s cult films such as Return to Oz and the Dark Crystal, but i think the Pirates of the Caribbean and Harry Potter films filled that void nicely.

Uhhh, what version did you see? I thought he was fun as Blackbeard. Coming off of a shoehorned, lazy, "sit-on-ass-doing-nothing" villain like Beckett, he at least was proactive and didn't let everyone else do everything for him while he literally sits back and does nothing but DRINK ****ING TEA AND EXPOSIT!

Sits backs and makes plans to take over the ocean that actualy work...Him and Mercer accomplished quite a lot.

I actualy enjoyed Beckett a lot, not as much as Davy Jones, but in least i found his scenes memorable overall, and he brought something else to the franchise as a villain. Blackbeard is just a one-dimensional version of the classic pirate villain stereotype. A similar role Barbossa had in the first film, but the difference is that Barbossa had charisma and a much more interesting motivation.

Yeah, of the villains in this series, I think Beckett was easily the weakest. He was like every generic colonial English 'gentleman' villain ever. Those guys are a dime a dozen. Put on any show or film about the American Revolution and you'll see as many of them as you will bayonets.

Blackbeard was better than that in his introductory scene alone.

I've seen more villains like Blackbeard to be honest, he's just the heartless "strong dragon". He was even upstaged by mermaids in his oun film.

Also, you want to talk about introductions? Look at Beckett's build-up in the beginning of Dead Man's Chest:

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Wonderfuly directed with a great score and good imagery. A shame that Gore Verbinski's career has been plagued by flawed scripts, since he keeps directing great scenes like this one.

Taking what was shown of Beckett & Mercer and Blackbeard int he films, i wouldn't stand another film centering around Blackbeard. With Becket & Mercer on the hand, the situation is different, i found their relationship, goals and presented threat much stronger.
 
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I think it is time for a teaser!
 
So, any news about this movie? Teaser, pictures, anything?
 
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