Pirates of the Caribbean 5 - Part 1

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I also like the sound that Jack was 18 when he did whatever he did to Salazar. It means it won't be just a random part of his adult life but a very specific age. Makes you wonder the kind of person he was then and that part of his past that we don't know about is creeping up on him this time.

So far, they'e saying all the right things. I'll take it being like the original with a grain of salt, but all the ideas sound great.

To me, Salazar is just another villain who has a preexisting grudge with Sparrow. Why can't they give us a villain who has no idea who Sparrow is?
 
I would hope so. I don't recall anything tho since Deadman's chest
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There were toys and collectibles made for At World's End and On Stranger Tides.

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I'd assume Disney will roll some out for this one as well.

To me, Salazar is just another villain who has a preexisting grudge with Sparrow. Why can't they give us a villain who has no idea who Sparrow is?

That's what I can't understand. Why do they all have to know who he is? It's getting more than a little old after five movies.
 
Were those mass produced or only available at Disney?
 
Were those mass produced or only available at Disney?

I remember seeing a bunch of different On Stranger Tides figures at places like Target. Disney might have done exclusive figures like they do with Star Wars but they were mass produced.
 
I think I remember getting into a debate with some poster here on how much Pirates merchandise was sold. I really don't think Pirates is on the level of Star Wars or any CBM.
 
I don't think I've seen anything for PotC outside of costumes at Halloween, and that sort of went away not long after 2007.
 
I think I remember getting into a debate with some poster here on how much Pirates merchandise was sold. I really don't think Pirates is on the level of Star Wars or any CBM.

Certainly not. The reason I remember seeing On Stranger Tides merchandise is because it was still rotting on the pegs a year later when The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises were coming out. There were a bunch of 4 inch figures for Dead Man's Chest and At World's End that didn't seem to sell that well either. The NECA stuff was great though. I remember buying their first Jack Sparrow figure when it came out over 10 years ago.
 
You sure you have the right villain? Because Salazar comes off more as a Davy Jones, especially considering he has a similar grudge against Sparrow.

Did Jones want to exterminate pirates in Dead Man's Chest? No, he didn't. Salazar looks like Jones, I agree, but his goals make him more similar to Beckett. And Jones didn't exactly have a grudge against Sparrow, he just wanted what Sparrow owed him.

You think a 13 ship battle is excessive? :funny: The Battle of Trafalgar involved 74 ships.

As far as fantasy film climaxes go, a 13 ship naval battle isnt even as big as the climactic space ship battles in ROTJ and Rogue One.

I wonder if some of those ships are actually ships in bottles that we saw in Blackbeard's cabin in On Stranger Tides.

I also like the sound that Jack was 18 when he did whatever he did to Salazar. It means it won't be just a random part of his adult life but a very specific age. Makes you wonder the kind of person he was then and that part of his past that we don't know about is creeping up on him this time.

So far, they'e saying all the right things. I'll take it being like the original with a grain of salt, but all the ideas sound great.

I recommend you to read the prequel novel Pirates of the Caribbean: The Price of Freedom.
 
Did Jones want to exterminate pirates in Dead Man's Chest? No, he didn't. Salazar looks like Jones, I agree, but his goals make him more similar to Beckett. And Jones didn't exactly have a grudge against Sparrow, he just wanted what Sparrow owed him.

Jones either wanted to have Sparrow serve on the Dutchman or send him to the Locker which is the equivalent of death. Both Jones and Salazar are harbingers of death (Jones became one after shunning his duties). And it's pretty clear Jones, like every villain, had a disdain for Sparrow considering how well he knew Sparrow, like every other villain. So perhaps Salazar is a mix of Jones and Beckett.
 
Jones either wanted to have Sparrow serve on the Dutchman or send him to the Locker which is the equivalent of death. Both Jones and Salazar are harbingers of death (Jones became one after shunning his duties). And it's pretty clear Jones, like every villain, had a disdain for Sparrow considering how well he knew Sparrow, like every other villain. So perhaps Salazar is a mix of Jones and Beckett.

He didn't want specifically Sparrow to serve on the Flying Dutchman. Remember the deal they made when Jones captured Will Turner. Jones agreed to accept 100 souls in exchange for Sparrow's. Jones doesn't care who's suffering on the Dutchman, as long as that person is suffering.
 
He didn't want specifically Sparrow to serve on the Flying Dutchman. Remember the deal they made when Jones captured Will Turner. Jones agreed to accept 100 souls in exchange for Sparrow's. Jones doesn't care who's suffering on the Dutchman, as long as that person is suffering.

I said Salazar seems like a mix of Jones and Beckett. Jones had disdain for Sparrow nonetheless.
 
To me, Salazar is just another villain who has a preexisting grudge with Sparrow. Why can't they give us a villain who has no idea who Sparrow is?

With Beckett, (I don't remember if they explain it), but if they didn't, wasn't it that Jack stole **** from him or ****ed him over in some way and the fact he's a pirate makes Beckett dislike it even more? Here, like I said, with Jack being 18, it's more interesting. It's more specific and has more possibilities and suggests Jack more as a human being than just doing pirate things. Seems like Jack could have done something VERY bad for this man to as a ghost think about him for so many years and wants pure vengeance. Not to mention, possibly make us rethink Jack as a character.

Now could I do without vengeance as the constant villain motivation for recent blockbusters? Sure, but the details and what's suggested seem more intriguing than villains like the Star Trek ones.
 
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With Beckett, (I don't remember if they explain it), but if they didn't, wasn't it that Jack stole **** from him or ****ed him over in some way and the fact he's a pirate makes Beckett dislike it even more? Here, like I said, with Jack being 18, it's more interesting. It's more specific and has more possibilities and suggests Jack more as a human being than just doing pirate things. Seems like Jack could have done something VERY bad for this man to as a ghost think about him for so many years and wants pure vengeance. Not to mention, possibly make us rethink Jack as a character.

Now could I do without vengeance as the constant villain motivation for recent blockbusters? Sure, but the details and what's suggested seem more intriguing than villains like the Star Trek ones.

To each their own. I don't care enough about Sparrow anymore to wonder about his young adult life. To me, the spirit of the first one involved maintaining an aura of mystery about Sparrow, and the human element lied with Will and Elizabeth.
 
I haven't seen them in stores tho. The ONE Disney store anywhere near here is in Kohls and they have CRAP
There were toys and collectibles made for At World's End and On Stranger Tides.

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I'd assume Disney will roll some out for this one as well.



That's what I can't understand. Why do they all have to know who he is? It's getting more than a little old after five movies.
 
With Beckett, (I don't remember if they explain it), but if they didn't, wasn't it that Jack stole **** from him or ****ed him over in some way and the fact he's a pirate makes Beckett dislike it even more? Here, like I said, with Jack being 18, it's more interesting. It's more specific and has more possibilities and suggests Jack more as a human being than just doing pirate things. Seems like Jack could have done something VERY bad for this man to as a ghost think about him for so many years and wants pure vengeance. Not to mention, possibly make us rethink Jack as a character.

Now could I do without vengeance as the constant villain motivation for recent blockbusters? Sure, but the details and what's suggested seem more intriguing than villains like the Star Trek ones.

Jack was the captain of the Black Pearl when it was called the Wicked Wench and in the employ of the EITC. He was commissioned to transport slaves. Jack freed them and ran. Becket found him and branded him a pirate and burned and sank the Wench. Jack made a deal with Jones to raise it from the depths. Because of the fire the ship was charred black so Jack renamed it the Black Pearl.

There is a deleted bit from the scene in Becket's cabin when he's trying to make a deal with Jack in AWE. Its when Beckett is looking out his window. He says, "When last I saw that ship she was on fire. A blackened hulk sinking beneath the waves. We had a deal, Jack. I contracted you to deliver cargo. You chose to liberate it." The camera lingers on Jack's pirate brand implying he was branded for freeing the slaves. Jack tells him, "People arent cargo, mate."

Here is the full scene:

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Jack Sparrow does not have the Black Pearl in "Dead Men Tell No Tales.

Johnny Depp returns to the big screen as the iconic, swashbuckling anti-hero Jack Sparrow in the all-new “Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales.” The rip-roaring adventure finds down-on-his-luck Captain Jack feeling the winds of ill-fortune blowing strongly his way when deadly ghost sailors, led by the terrifying Captain Salazer (Javier Bardem), escape from the Devil’s Triangle bent on killing every pirate at sea – notably Jack. Jack’s only hope of survival lies in the legendary Trident of Poseidon, but to find it he must forge an uneasy alliance with Carina Smyth (Kaya Scodelario), a brilliant and beautiful astronomer, and Henry (Benton Thwaites), a headstrong young sailor in the Royal Navy. At the helm of the Dying Gull, his pitifully small and shabby ship, Captain Jack seeks not only to reverse his recent spate of ill fortune, but to save his very life from the most formidable and malicious foe he has never faced.


http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/jac...-a-new-ship-in-pirates-of-the-caribbean-5-114



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... But he got it back at the end of OST.
 
... But he got it back at the end of OST.

Wasn't it shrunk down inside a bottle? God, I'm tired of this nonsense. Just give him the f***ing ship back.
 
I can be fine with it.... Provided Barbossa's the one with it now.
 
Again, no mention of Will in the cast list at the end. NOW, I'm worried....

Not all characters and roles are going to be mentioned in the plot synopsis for secrecy and for practical reasons. And its no indication of the size of a character's role. Matt Damon had a significant role in Interstellar and his name was kept out of press releases and plot synopsis.
 
Cameos arent usually listed regarfless of role size. Matt Damon had a significant role in Interstellar and his name was kept out of press releases and plot synopsis.

Except it shouldn't BE a cameo if Disney was making a big dead about his return back at D23. Considering the plot details, Will has PLENTY of reason to be involved. This is just getting fans who've wanted to see this character come back into the plot more upset!
 
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