Pirates of the Caribbean 5

[Fallen Angel]

I've no idea but one of the new cast members in it is apparently playing Blooms/Knightley's kid all grown up.

 

[DigificWriter]

I know there are people out there who think the series' quality went downhill with At World's End, but I personally liked the movie, although I will admit that the writers did end up overcomplicating the plot more than they needed to, which made things feel a tad bit anticlimactic by the end of things. The only reason I never saw On Stranger Tides is because I wasn't sure it was really necessary, although, having read through the plot synopsis for it, it does sound like a pretty neat movie, as does this fifth one.

I'd just like to know how things fit together chronologically, since I'm kind of a "continuity nazi".

 

[liesse00]

I think On Stranger Tides takes place a couple years after At World's End. I'm not sure it was ever made clear though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I've no idea but one of the new cast members in it is apparently playing Blooms/Knightley's kid all grown up.

If they killed off Elizabeth...

 

[Lord]

They never realy mention the timeline, my guess is that Disney doesn't care, so the time placement's pretty much like the ones from older Hollywood franchise: Years pass, but we never know how many. What we know from On Stranger Tides is that Jack Sparrow spent a few years without the pearl and that right after Barbossa left with it, he was attacked by Black Beard.

Unfortunately, continuity's not realy the franchise's strong suit, there was a sort of Extended universe with a few entertaining stories like the young Jack Sparrow books, but they're treated as disposable and you can barely find them nowadays.

Regarding At World's End, it was a mess of a script, but i kind of liked it. It was a bunch of interesting ideas that lead into something that was kinda fun. Though many seem to say that Dead Man's Chest the start of the franchise's downfall, i myself disagree, Davy Jones and the Kraken were amazing. The film was also more focused than the ones that came after.

Elizabeth is probably dead, i doubt Keira wanted to return.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wasn't sure whether to start a new thread for this question or not, so I'm asking it here: does anybody know what the story timeline for these films is, including On Stranger Tides and this one?

I'm interested in getting back into the series, especially with Orlando Bloom coming back, but wanted to figure out what the internal chronology is before I do.

They are simply in the order they have been released.

Count me as one of the people who likes At Worlds End, despite being a bit of a mess it's just fun to watch and a good conclusion to the original trilogy. Plus it had a pretty ballsy ending with Will essentially dying.

 

[sueb1863]

Glad Will is coming back. I always thought he was supposed to be the main character of the first movie but got overshadowed by Jack (as was everyone else).

 

[DigificWriter]

Since there apparently isn't a firm timeline in place for the series, I decided to make one for myself, and would like feedback on it:
1745 - Curse of the Black Pearl (main plot)
1746 - Dead Man's Chest (main plot); At World's End (main plot)
1750 - On Stranger Tides (main plot)
1756 - At World's End (final scene)

I'm still trying to figure out how to make Dead Men Tell No Tales fit into the timeline, especially with Gibbs not seeming to age yet not having any semblance of the supernatural associated with him the way that Jack does and "Henry" potentially being William Turner III grown up, but I think everything else works well. Thoughts?

 

[Majik1387]

Well, if Will and Elizabeth's child is all grown, and Elizabeth is possibly dead it's pretty safe to say it takes place after all 4 movies.

 

[Victarion]

They are simply in the order they have been released.

Count me as one of the people who likes At Worlds End, despite being a bit of a mess it's just fun to watch and a good conclusion to the original trilogy. Plus it had a pretty ballsy ending with Will essentially dying.

Me too. Its my favorite of the trilogy because of how sprawling it is. I only wish we got more development for the Brethren Court in movies four and five.

 

[Erzengel]

Only thought the first one was good, it's been a decline since DMC. Lazy and forced storytelling.

 

[godisawesome]

Having looked at the summary, I'm thinking we may see Captain Will Tirner of the Flying Dutchman in his role as psychopomp, trying to catch Salazar and the other undead pirates with Jack's help.

 

[DigificWriter]

I know DMTNT has to take place at least 20 years after CotBP, so my query re: people's thoughts was more on the timeline as a whole.

 

[Lord]

Only thought the first one was good, it's been a decline since DMC. Lazy and forced storytelling.

In DMC? It certainly has problems, but i wouldn't call it lazy at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Me too. Its my favorite of the trilogy because of how sprawling it is. I only wish we got more development for the Brethren Court in movies four and five.

The first will always be my favourite but I love AWE as well, it's my 2nd favourite for sure.

 

[Erzengel]

In DMC? It certainly has problems, but i wouldn't call it lazy at all.

They set up a lot of things in DMC that went nowhere or ended abruptly in AWE. The whole love triangle, I felt was extremely forced and unnecessary in DMC.

 

[Lord]

They set up a lot of things in DMC that went nowhere or ended abruptly in AWE. The whole love triangle, I felt was extremely forced and unnecessary in DMC.

That was At World's End's fault, not DMC, AWE was the one they started shooting without a finished script, the set-up from DMC was very well done. Regarding the love triangle, i agree, it was unnecessary, but i don't think that was enough to make the film bad.

 

[Fosterson]

That was At World's End's fault, not DMC, AWE was the one they started shooting without a finished script, the set-up from DMC was very well done. Regarding the love triangle, i agree, it was unnecessary, but i don't think that was enough to make the film bad.

What love triangle? Between Jack, Will and Elizabeth? Or the one between Will, Elizabeth and Norrington?

 

[Lord]

What love triangle? Between Jack, Will and Elizabeth? Or the one between Will, Elizabeth and Norrington?

Jack, Norrington's triangle didn't realy play a factor.

 

[godisawesome]

Which is a shame since Davenport's Norrington was awesome in the first two films and any kind of actual expansion of his plot in AWE would have been awesome. And I say that as a big fan of the middle two films; I've come to the conclusion that I actually like complicated and crowded stories, since one of the things I love in the middle two films is juggling every single character's angle.

The biggest problem I had was that they overstuffed the plot with so much awesome that Norrington's place as an equally dangerous antagonist got cut. In a better world, he probably would have Beckett's military right hand and conceivably a counter to Barbossa, with both of them juggling the conflicts on their respective sides while be excellent commanders of men.

 

[Erzengel]

That was At World's End's fault, not DMC, AWE was the one they started shooting without a finished script, the set-up from DMC was very well done. Regarding the love triangle, i agree, it was unnecessary, but i don't think that was enough to make the film bad.

Actually the script for DMC was unfinished as well.

By November, the script was still unfinished as the writers did not want director Gore Verbinski and producer Jerry Bruckheimer to compromise what they had written, so Verbinski worked with James Byrkit to storyboard major sequences without need of a script, while Elliott and Rossio wrote a "preparatory" script for the crew to use before they finished the script they were happy with. By January 2005, with rising costs and no script, Disney threatened to cancel the film, but changed their minds. The writers would accompany the crew on location, feeling that the lateness of their rewrites would improve the spontaneity of the cast's performances.

This movie is no Empire or Two Towers or even Back to the Future 2. This is the Matrix Reloaded.

 

[Lord]

I'm surprised, but making a film without a finished script doesn't turn this into Matrix Reloaded, you still haven't realy given any major reason besides the unnecessary romantic triangle, nobody ever argued this was an Empire or Two Towers, i'm arguing it was a decent sequel, and a very entertaining film.

 

[DigificWriter]

The Jack/Will/Elizabeth thing does end up being resolved, although it's not your typical resolution because it happens in a way that is much more subtle than you're expecting given the setup in DMC. Elizabeth realizes her infatuation with Jack for what it is, and chooses the more practical path by re-committing herself to Will.

I'm still waiting for people to give me their thoughts on my timeline, but, in the meantime, I've decided that the writers' stated placement of 1750 for On Stranger Tides kind of pushes things way too late and doesn't make a lot of sense with regards to the way that things end up (or sound like they're going to end up) playing themselves out, so I went back and revised the dates and added a few key events:
1720: The Curse of the Black Pearl (main plot)
1721: Dead Man's Chest (main plot); At World's End (main plot)
1726: On Stranger Tides (main plot)
1731: At World's End (final scene)
1736: Dead Men Tell No Tales*

I'm choosing to assume that "Henry", if he's in fact William Turner III, is probably not going to be older than 20, which is why I have DMTNT slated for 1736.

 

[Lord]

I think Dead Men Tell No Tales might take place 10 years after the epilogue of At World's end if Will's son is in it, but we'll have to wait and see for ourselves.

As it is, Stranger Tides is probably 4 years after the main plot of World's end, while Dead Men tell no tales takes place a few years after the epilogue. We'll have to see how Will's appearance is going to be like.

BTW; kinda funny to read this in retrospective:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/05/25/comics-at-worlds-end-adapting-pirates-of-the-caribbean

Disney read didn't do much with the brand outside the parks and the films, that Armada of the Damned kinda looked fun and it was cancelled because of the failure of the Tron game, their comics have all been on Disney magazines and they never seemed to be taken seriously and most of the books in the series are out of print.

 

[ThePhantasm]

DMC is a decent sequel, and I love World's End.

Not a huge fan of Stranger Tides, and the original COTBP seems really repetitive at times.