Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Part 2

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A villain without a backstory is the best kind of villain. The more and more backstory you give one, the less mystery there is behind him. Look at Darth Vader... he was so friggen baddass with just Star Wars. By Return of the Jedi you felt compassion for the character, but it took some of the diabolical badassery away from the original appeal - and then we got the whiny kid in TPM...
 
I dont need a backstory...but I need to know why he has powers.

Look at Darth Vader....why can he choke people? He knows and uses the force.

Why does Blackbeard control his ship with a sword?.........because?
 
Saw this one finally yesterday. It gets an 8.5/10 from me. I thought it was a fun summer movie.

The mermaids scene was creepy, i wasnt expecting them to be portrayed in this manner. I will never look at The Little Mermaid the same way ever again :hehe:.

I love Captain Jack, and i was glad to see Barbossa back. Blackbeard was a cool character to have in this one, but at times i wish he would have been portrayed a little meaner, and not just by using his sword all the time.

Overall, i enjoyed it :woot:
 
I dont need a backstory...but I need to know why he has powers.

Look at Darth Vader....why can he choke people? He knows and uses the force.

Why does Blackbeard control his ship with a sword?.........because?

Right, I wasn't sure if the powers came from the sword or if it was the ship or what.
 
They were on their way there for the entire movie. That's why the king wanted Jack and Barbossa to go after it - so the England would get it before Spain did.

The Spanish had to show up eventually.

You think that they were going to have a presence in the movie, and they're only in it for less than 5 min of screentime. I was just pointing out on how sloppy the script was. Characters you thought were going to be important are nothing more than cardboard cutouts.
 
Not really, they were in a lot of the dialogue throughout the movie, you just got to pay attention.
 
Yeah, they were there. In the background. That wasnt a problem. Just them ruining the final battle.
 
who else thought that the cinematography was ugly in this one?
 
who else thought that the cinematography was ugly in this one?

I thought something seemed off about the cinematography. It was very dark and flat looking or something.
 
So, I was going to see Kung Fu Panda 2 and found out it was sold out, so I figured we're already there so what the heck...we went and saw Pirates. I'm surprised to say I actually really enjoyed it. Nearly as good as the first film.
 
Yeah, they were there. In the background. That wasnt a problem. Just them ruining the final battle.
Except they didn't ruin anything.:cwink:
who else thought that the cinematography was ugly in this one?
I thought something seemed off about the cinematography. It was very dark and flat looking or something.
While I wouldn't call it ugly, I will say I was a bit disappointed with it considering the sets looked like they'd be amazing to frame around with.
So, I was going to see Kung Fu Panda 2
:dry::csad:
and found out it was sold out, so I figured we're already there so what the heck...we went and saw Pirates. I'm surprised to say I actually really enjoyed it. Nearly as good as the first film.
Agreed. :yay::up:
 
Finally saw this. Pretty bad. The shortest film (?) feels by far the longest. Jack is fun here and there, but the rest strangles what little life he provides.

First and foremost, there is no core to the film. If feels like a bunch of side quest that drone on and on with no end in sight. There is a "Why are we here" quality to the entire film.

Every instance of exposition presents this annoying quality. As if the writers quit midway through writing the scene, leaving this mixture of failed attempt at being clever, with script outline dialogue.

The action is so lifeless. Not only is it over elaborate, each scene feels performed at a snail's pace.

Rush didn't look like he was going through the motions, he looked like he wasn't there at all and I don't blame him fully. I have no idea why they wrote Barbossa the way they did. He doesn't do anything worthy of note until the final 20 minutes of the film.

The missionary subplot was an interesting exercise in waste. In theory it has great potential. The young idealist fighting a fight only he and Blackbeard's daughter see as worth the effort. But sadly, he is literally there to take his shirt off and pine for the gorgeous Mermaid. Where is the preaching, the attempt to save Blackbeard's soul? He serves no purpose.

Blackbeard and his crew are so underwhelming. The guy has a sword which can control a ship (that breaths fire), he can seemingly create the undead, and collects those of his enemies in bottles. In theory, he should be amazing. And yet he is no real threat. Never once do you think he is going to actually harm Jack. That he can swing a sword in combat. Heck they spend most of their time within 10 feet of each other, shooting the breeze.

Oh, and the music. What the hell? It feels like someone put Jack's theme on loop and left the room.
 
Short review: I enjoyed it, but I think it's far and away the least of the four. As glad as I was that Will & Elizabeth weren't brought back (their story is done and should remain so), I was pretty worried about what it would be like with Captain Jack in the lead, as opposed to an absurd, trickster/anti-hero third lead. It turned out better than I imagined, though, because we're not given a new emotional investment in Captain Jack; he doesn't suddenly become a sincere figure with great pathos. You do feel the absence of characters like Will and Elizabeth, though, anchors who can support or ground the wildness of the rest of the proceedings. The missionary and the mermaid are essentially Will & Elizabeth stand-ins, but really, they're such afterthoughts as characters, we don't care about them one whit. And they lack the chemistry and charm that Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley had together. As fun as Captain Jack Sparrow is, as deliciously pirate-y as Captain Barbossa is, who do we care about in this movie? Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz were fun together here - I've seen and heard some complaints that the nature of their relationship was confusing because it seemed to be always changing. Yes, that's sort of the point; you're never sure where they stand - neither are they. The biggest problem with this movie might be that it doesn't have a particularly strong villainous presence; Ian McShane's Blackbeard isn't a memorable villain, and, although he's not a true villain by this point in the series, I didn't love the handling of Barbossa. He felt so disconnected from things for so much of the movie. Now, of course he had a very significant connection to Blackbeard, but that comes in later. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides is not remarkable, in either the positive or negative. It's merely okay.

I said short review, didn't I? Ah well.
 
I saw this recently. I kind of enjoyed it while I was in the theater, but the more I look back on it the more I realize how "meh" it really is. I did like it more then 2 and 3, but that's mainly because it wasn't as long. It definitely wasn't as well made as 2 and 3. Also, Jack isn't suited to be the protagonist and this film really shows why. More time is spent on the motivations of characters like Barbossa and Blackbeard. In fact, Jack has absolutely zero investment in the final fight scene. He plays the role of an observer and that fact is even joked about.

I never saw Ian McShane in anything before but I did like him as Blackbeard. They definitely didn't do enough with him. If I wrote the movie I would remove almost all the characters and just have had Barbossa as the main character hunting after Blackbeard with Jack in the middle. Barbossa actually had a strong revenge motive in this film and I was far more interested in seeing what was happening with him. I also think I would have been far more interested in seeing the film open with Blackbeard attacking the Black Pearl instead of Jack's shenanigans in Britain. That would have also let the film maybe have an actual ship battle and even give Blackbeard some opportunities to show how ruthless he is.
 
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I think it's safe to say that OST will end up with 800+ at the BO so It's obvious that fifth is on the way.

There are some specualtion ot possible directors for the 5th:
http://coronacomingattractions.com/news/short-list-pirates-caribbean-5-directors

Alfonso Cuaron (Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban), Chris Weitz (The Golden Compass), Sam Raimi (Spider-Man), Shawn Levy (Night at the Museum) and the supposed top candidate, Tim Burton (Alice in Wonderland).

I think Burton can make one good Pirates movie.
 
No Burton. Please dear God not Tim Burton. I will be ecstatic if Cuaron or Raimi make this.
 
Oh please let it be Alfonso Cuaron, he would kick some serious ass. MAJOR ASSAGE!!
 
I'm on Team Cuaron. He breathed some life into the Harry Potter series. I'd love to see him do the same for Pirates of the Caribbean.
 
I think there are alot of people more fitted for Pirates than Rob Marshall. I loved the film but man something seemed really off with the way it was directed.

Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkaban is my favorite of all the films, Cuaron has a awesome mind. But Tim Burton? I love the guy but don't seem him doing Pirates....
 
Well Burton already worked on Dead Man's Chest as art director and creature designer. He was the one to create the design of the Dutchman and Davy Jones's crew.

I think he will do fine. But Disney has to understand something. COTBP was the movie it ws beacuse it introduce the characters for the first time. Since then no movie can top that. So the best approach is to make the movies fun and CG action packed movies as 2 and 3. Hope they go back to that formula for #5.
 
Well Burton already worked on Dead Man's Chest as art director and creature designer. He was the one to create the design of the Dutchman and Davy Jones's crew.

Woah! I had no idea! Maybe that is one of the reasons DMC is my favorite of all the films? :p
 
2 was my favourite because i felt it was dark and interesting, now i see why.
 
If Alphonso Cuaron were to direct I might actually have interest in this series again. I wouldn't even mind Tim Burton. At least he'd probably offer something a bit more interesting then what Rob Marshall offered.
 
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I dont need a backstory...but I need to know why he has powers.

Look at Darth Vader....why can he choke people? He knows and uses the force.

Why does Blackbeard control his ship with a sword?.........because?
The movie needed some clarity on some aspects, but I agree that less backstory is better for major villains. If you explain every facet of a character they are no longer mysterious and then no longer as feared.
 
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