Marvolo
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I was talking about A New Hope. Even so, ESB suffers from the same basic first problem that ANH does. Luke and Leia are in it. No I'll rephrase that. Luke and Leia are a**holes. The only heroes I remotely like in ANH are Han and Chewie, and I sort of like Obi Wan, but only because he's played by Alec Guinness. I also like Vader and since every other Empire character is basic story fodder in ANH my list ends there. Luke would be tolerable if he was-
A. Competent as a Jedi
B. Not preachy
C. Not an uptight a**hole with a rod up his bum
D. Actually listened to Yoda in ESB instead of b****ing about every thing
Let's take a good tally of what happens when Luke disregards Yoda's advice.
A. He consistently sucks in his training because of his impatience.
B. He faces Vader alone, loses his hand, and gets his rear handed to him.
Then once Yoda is gone and he goes right into the lion's lair, let's see- the Emperor hands his rear to him. The only reason Luke even gets the upper hand on Vader is because Vader and the Emperor goaded him into losing it because of Leia. So IMO, Luke is the Chosen One out of destiny, but definitely not out of skill. I'll give Luke props there, because the whole point was not to fight Vader, and I will admit in RotJ I can give Luke credit for having learned something. I still enjoy the movies, but come on, Luke is just consistently bi***y and incompetent. Replace Luke with a less uptight b**** and have that character learn the same lessons and I'll enjoy that character. I'm all for a flawed character, but not an AWFUL one. And don't even get me started on Leia's odiousness. I positively adore Han though. Overall the best characters in the series are Han, Chewie, Yoda, Lando, Vader, and the Emperor. Points go to Jabba and his ilk, and I'll throw in Grievous just because he was so good in Clone Wars.
Honestly, I wish Han would just bend Luke and Leia over his knee and give them both a good solid spanking. But boy, I must say. You sure seem in a hurry to prove how smart you are by debating me on ESB. You don't have to though because I both think you're smart and I like ESB. That's mostly because Luke is barely in it compared to ANH or RotJ, and when he is he's in some of the best scenes in the entire saga. Then again, Will annoyed me consistently in the Pirates films for similar reasons that Luke annoyed me. Maybe that sort of character is just not for me.
Go ahead, tear me apart. Facepalm me. I just know it's coming.
I'm not gonna tear you apart, but it seems you just don't like the story. The film itself, tho is genius. The pace, the tone, and many other aspects of this film make it the sequel other filmmakers aspire to match. That tho is your opinion and film history disagrees with you.
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