Planet Hulk/World War Hulk

It saddens me that Willingham's statement is true for the majority of comic readers. I tend to quit reading comics that piss me off. War Crimes seemed bad enough that I passed on reading it to begin with, but Willingham's absolutely right about those idiots who whine and complain and then proceed to throw money at the publishers for more.
 
It's weird that that's not just a trait that "stupid" people do. There are posters on this board who I would consider to be intelligent people and who's opinions I would respect, and even they buy books that they hate on a weekly basis out of habit, or whatever it is that drives people to literally give their money away for nothing in return.
 
Exactly. I've seen it argued that their individual money would not make a difference, but if a lot of the people doing it feel that way, they're basically proving themselves wrong every time they still shell out the money for a book they hate. If everyone who felt that way could make the individual choice to not pay for things they don't like, I personally think it really would create a noticeable dent in the sales for those comics and publishers might sit up and take notice. But it's a pipe dream at best. :o
 
It would create more then a noticeable dent, I think. Maybe not at first, though. The retailers would definitely take a hit before the publishers did. Once that balanced out, the publishers would definitely take notice of the lower order numbers.

And one of things that also weirds me out about it, is that these people that fork over cash for garbage know they do it. And they still make feeble excuses as to why it's "necessary" to keep reading, whether it's holes in a collection, or staying current. Utterly ridiculous.
 
...What if they're collectors. Like with baseball cards. David Eckstein cards may not be worth much, and you may not even like the guy, but you still want to get his card to complete the set
 
i wish i would've come up with someone other than david eckstein. some total no-namer
 
Alright, so I decided to do something very much against my core of self, and decided to not catch up on WWH, listening to what you guys had to say, and basing my entire thoughts on that alone, and LATER read all of WWH, to see how it may differ, and how that would change my entire statement on it, and how it would sound afterword. And to start, my reading it DID change (as we all knew it would) how I saw the end of WWH in regards to the characters, and displays, and junk like that.


And obviously, it's going to end in the final battle between the Sentry and the Hulk, and their prospective power bases, as most of the argument seems to be held there. "Who's stronger? Who beat who? Who cancelled who? Who did what to who?" And, in all truth, it will make me seem like a Sentry fan girl, as I do spend quite a bit of time defending him (though fairly, as Corp would defend Thor, without overexpressing), or at least more so than usual.

In the end, it did appear that Sentry DID get to access power he normally does not, though cutting totally loose isn't exactly what I WOULD say he did. He did bring out some power, but it became quite obvious in the book that he didn't bring it all out, nor WOULD he bring it all out, and would, in fact, give up the fight itself.

We do see Sentry injured by the Hulk, but not severely, where we ALSO see this in the Hulk, who does seemingly get hurt, but not badly. However, it's in their final combat as the Sentry and Hulk (as opposed to Reynolds and Banner), that gives me this notion. Throughout the fight, the Sentry shines, literally at high levels of power, and is getting INTO the fight, wanting to brawl, wanting to smash. We start to notice his face becoming darker, and given his personality shift, it's very likely to assume it's a Void emergence, which might have one of several effects. Since it shows that the Void and the Sentry's power tend to negate each other (thus, preventing huge overflow of destructive energy, and the Void always seems to be helpless against the Sentry, so it may simply be a Void<Sentry affliction, and the power may be lower of that), there might be a reduced Sentry power. It may be, the Void was emerging, and given his damper from the Sentry power, the Void was in reduction. It may simply mean that the Sentry isn't the be all end all in strength as we mainly thought of him as prior to WWH. But one thing is glaring in all of it, is what Hulk tells the Sentry/Void about making decisions about being a hero, and a destructive being. Of course, THIS is what always trips up Robert, and in course, the Sentry's power levels, is guilt of responsibility. Much like Zom Strange, this hits Robert deep within the Sentry/Void personalities. Given the fact that Sentry/Void was just short of bloodlust shows that the Void was on the point of emergence/domination/replacing the Sentry, also gives us the idea that Robert simply shut his powers off, especially when he thanks Banner, indicating he was thanking him for reminding him who he was/could be/is/whatever.

So, all in all. While the Sentry was written to be releasing more power than he seems to have ever before (apparently Galactus wasn't that hard to fight), it leaves it wide open that we still haven't seen the Sentry's full power, as it looks like he stopped himself before he got out of hand.
 
The Sentry and the Hulk burned each other out. The writer said as much. So what we saw in WWH #5 was pretty clearly intended to be the top level for each of them. And, really, I'm happy with it. The Hulk and the Sentry cut loose and made the entire world quake with their blows. That's hardcore ****, and fanboys of either should, quite frankly, be happy with it rather than trying to eke out interpretations where that's not their max power simply because they want their personal favorite character to be able to crush the universe in his hand.
 
While the writers interpretation of the event is something of it's standpoint, it doesn't have to stand as reason for it being correct.

While you know me well enough to easily desire faults and obstacles for characters that I like to have, you also know me for desiring extreme accuracy and definition (alas, my fate).

I doubt you'd be on the sideline accepting things if Thor were to be taken down by said sattelite of Stark. And given the exponential growth the Hulk must've undergone to withstand the Sentry, if Thor is even double as strong as he was in his "classic" sense, that sattelite will destroy him.

Simply because a writer has said something, and while it IS indeed canon, I can refute it's probability, and point out it's exits and limitations.
 
Of course you can. I'm glad you brought up Thor, too, since in my case that would fall under the domain of my inner fanboy complaining against something done to my favorite character, not anything with a particularly logical basis. That's what I'm getting from you when you decry what happened to the Sentry and it's what I get from DACMAN, ang_hulk, Mr. Green, et al. when they decry how the Hulk was taken down. We all have characters for whom we focus on the positive and all but ignore the negative for. I'm just pointing out that WWH's finale was pretty impressive from an objective standpoint for both characters.
 
You know me well enough to hold bias out of my arguments, and analyze them before statements. Very -very- rarely, will I simply just blast when I do not like something. (Only in the event of Wolverine).
 
I'm not saying your argument isn't well justified. But the genesis of the argument? Deep down, you don't want to believe that the Sentry just expended all his power and returned to human form as a result because he's your favorite character, same way I wouldn't want to believe that Thor got owned by the Sentry or the Hulk or whoever if it ever happened.
 
You know me well enough that I wouldn't care if Sentry actually expended all his power against Hulk and stalemated if it were presented in an accurate and well thought out matter that has been in line with things very characteristic of Sentry.

If I -did- care, I would literally reconstruct fifteen ways Tony Stark should have stomped Thor in their recent encounter.

Powerful characters don't interest me on power alone, and you already know that.
 
OK... so Marvel cancelled my Incredible Hulk subscription at issue #111 and are replacing it with Loeb's Red Hulk #1. Does this mean that Red Thing is actually Banner?
 
Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. Every time the Hulk changes color it's, like, totally super-badass and stuff. OMG I can't wait for Fuchsia Hulk!!!
 
So he's gonna be "Mood" Hulk?

"You can tell Hulk has that nice at peace with nature feel right now."

"How?"

"He's flannel."
 
I'd pay to see flannel Hulk. Damn, times like these make me miss What The--?! comics. :(
 
You just wait till he starts doing multi-color patterns.
ZOMG!! plaid Hulk!!
 
you know. Grab hold of Hulk and wait a couple seconds. He'll change to the color you feel.
 

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